Ball Earth conundrums

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Also during the flood, how did the water reach the ground with no gravity?
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Ah, the flood would be impossible because water and ice would flow over the edges. Water Pressure would not allow ice to form there.ible because the water would fall off the edges. The power of the Water would push any forming ice off the edge too.
 
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Water will when you really seek the truth.

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I know the truth. The earth is a sphere. Water tells me that the circumference of the earth is so great that the curvature is undetectable over short distances.
 
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If you assume outright that tides occur because of the gravitational "pull" of the moon ( the conclusion of modern science ) -- and then, you go gather the data that modern science has provided -- and, you look at all of the tide cycle patterns everywhere on Earth compared to the position and path of the moon at every precise moment in the tide cycles ----- what will you discover and determine?

Do the patterns match the position and path of the moon?

If they do not match, what does that tell you?

It tells you that modern science is claiming something false.

If they do match, what does that tell you?

It tells you that modern science has built a theory that matches the observation.

And, if so -- does this automatically mean that the theory is true?

No - it does not.

Yet - this has become the 'core' of modern science -- a collection of theories that are specifically designed to match observation -- while not necessarily having any actual resemblance to the true nature of reality.

( Now - just keep that in mind... )

Does the "pull" of the moon affect the Great Lakes? the Dead Sea? other large bodies of water?

How about smaller bodies of water? How about that favorite lake you like to fish on?

How about the water in that cup you are holding at the picnic out by the lake?

We have all heard that "they say" the "pull" of the moon will [ even ] affect the water in our body / brain.

Really?

( Just think for a moment about the different amounts of water in the bodies of humans, animals, plants -- and other things and places where water is concentrated. How should the gravitational "pull" of the moon affect each of them, according to the amount of water and the particular nature of the manner in which it is 'concentrated'? )

Should 'gravity' have a greater "pull" on a larger amount of water or a smaller amount of water?

Modern science will tell you that the gravitational pull of everything is the same on everything else. ( i.e. - the gravitational pull of a bowling ball on everything else around it will be the same - modified by inverse-of-the-square-of-the-distance, etc. )

Why does the "pull" of the moon [ really ] only [ actually ] affect the oceans?

Why is it that -- while standing on the beach of an ocean watching the tide go 'in' and 'out' -- while also watching the water in a glass on a table on that beach remain perfectly still in the glass --- why is it that a force so enormous - enough to 'overcome' the gravitational "pull" of the Earth directly below the ocean from so great a distance out in space - that can move many Gazillions of gallons of water in the ocean - and "hold it up" ( "ocean tide swell", for lack of a better term ) continually ( Do you really understand just how much force would be required to do this? ) --- why is it that it has no effect on the water in the glass? or, the clouds that are between the moon and the ocean? or, the water droplets that are falling from those clouds?

You mean to tell me that the gravitational "pull" of the moon can "hold up" many Gazillions of gallons of water in an ocean while having no effect whatsoever on a raindrop that is falling from a cloud - that is between the moon and the ocean - down to that ocean surface...??????????

"You are kidding --- right???"

( Think in terms of a Gazillions-of-gallons-of-water 'drop' versus a single rain 'drop'. The supposed effect of the "pull" of the moon is that it is able to "lift up and hold up" - [ the weight of ] that G-drop - several feet - as / in a continual action... But, has no effect whatsoever on a single rain drop??? Are you with me so far? Now - just think about that for a while... )

Why doesn't the "pull" of the moon affect the water content of the atmosphere between it and the Earth?

You mean to tell me that the gravitational "pull" of the moon can "hold up" many Gazillions of gallons of water in an ocean while having no effect whatsoever on water vapor in the atmosphere...??????????

"You are kidding --- right???"

Any water vapor - in the atmosphere or anywhere else - that is not specifically being driven downward by the wind - should be rising upwards continually ( even slowly ) - right?

If we place water vapor in a bell jar - completely isolated - no wind currents at all - with the moon directly overhead -- will the water vapor rise upward until it reaches the 'hard' physical limit of the glass at the top of the bell jar?

Don't give me any crap about air pressure, blah blah blah, etc. ----- if the "pull" of the moon can "break" all of those physical laws out in the open ( where so many more / other physical laws come into play ) with the exceedingly-more-heavy oceans - then - it would absolutely have no problem whatsoever "sucking" the water vapor in the bell jar to the top of the bell jar.

The "fluid dynamics" of the liquid water in the oceans would be a much greater "foe" for the "pull" of the moon to overcome than would be the "fluid dynamics" of the water vapor in the bell jar.

These are the kinds of things you need to think about. Expand your awareness to the "bigger picture" of things.

And -- if you study this "opinion" of modern science carefully enough - utilizing the actual 'physics' that is behind the claim -- I believe that you will discover that the gravitational "pull" of the moon ( or the Earth or anything else ) will be much greater on water vapor than it will be on many Gazillions of gallons of water.

In other words, there would be a much greater 'resistance' to the "pull" of the moon from the localized physical properties of a larger amount of water than of a smaller amount of water.

Why does the "pull" of the moon affect the huge amounts of water so massively while having no effect whatsoever on the smaller amounts of water?

Here is another question to consider:

Does the "pull" of the moon affect anything other than water?

If not, then -- why not?

If it does, then -- what effects would there be from it?

If the "pull" of the moon has such a great effect on the oceans --- why does it have no effect whatsoever on a butterfly or a soap bubble floating in air?
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There does seem to be a link between the phases of the moon and changes in symptoms of bipolar disorder. There's also some evidence that a full moon can lead to less deep sleep and a delay in entering into REM sleep. In addition, some studies have shown a slight change in cardiovascular conditions during a full moon.

So the moon has a noticeable affect on us. As well as a tidal influence.
 
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GaryA said:
If you assume outright that tides occur because of the gravitational "pull" of the moon ( the conclusion of modern science ) -- and then, you go gather the data that modern science has provided -- and, you look at all of the tide cycle patterns everywhere on Earth compared to the position and path of the moon at every precise moment in the tide cycles ----- what will you discover and determine?

Do the patterns match the position and path of the moon?

If they do not match, what does that tell you?

It tells you that modern science is claiming something false.

If they do match, what does that tell you?

It tells you that modern science has built a theory that matches the observation.

And, if so -- does this automatically mean that the theory is true?

No - it does not.

Yet - this has become the 'core' of modern science -- a collection of theories that are specifically designed to match observation -- while not necessarily having any actual resemblance to the true nature of reality.

( Now - just keep that in mind... )

Does the "pull" of the moon affect the Great Lakes? the Dead Sea? other large bodies of water?

How about smaller bodies of water? How about that favorite lake you like to fish on?

How about the water in that cup you are holding at the picnic out by the lake?

We have all heard that "they say" the "pull" of the moon will [ even ] affect the water in our body / brain.

Really?

( Just think for a moment about the different amounts of water in the bodies of humans, animals, plants -- and other things and places where water is concentrated. How should the gravitational "pull" of the moon affect each of them, according to the amount of water and the particular nature of the manner in which it is 'concentrated'? )

Should 'gravity' have a greater "pull" on a larger amount of water or a smaller amount of water?

Modern science will tell you that the gravitational pull of everything is the same on everything else. ( i.e. - the gravitational pull of a bowling ball on everything else around it will be the same - modified by inverse-of-the-square-of-the-distance, etc. )

Why does the "pull" of the moon [ really ] only [ actually ] affect the oceans?

Why is it that -- while standing on the beach of an ocean watching the tide go 'in' and 'out' -- while also watching the water in a glass on a table on that beach remain perfectly still in the glass --- why is it that a force so enormous - enough to 'overcome' the gravitational "pull" of the Earth directly below the ocean from so great a distance out in space - that can move many Gazillions of gallons of water in the ocean - and "hold it up" ( "ocean tide swell", for lack of a better term ) continually ( Do you really understand just how much force would be required to do this? ) --- why is it that it has no effect on the water in the glass? or, the clouds that are between the moon and the ocean? or, the water droplets that are falling from those clouds?

You mean to tell me that the gravitational "pull" of the moon can "hold up" many Gazillions of gallons of water in an ocean while having no effect whatsoever on a raindrop that is falling from a cloud - that is between the moon and the ocean - down to that ocean surface...??????????

"You are kidding --- right???"

( Think in terms of a Gazillions-of-gallons-of-water 'drop' versus a single rain 'drop'. The supposed effect of the "pull" of the moon is that it is able to "lift up and hold up" - [ the weight of ] that G-drop - several feet - as / in a continual action... But, has no effect whatsoever on a single rain drop??? Are you with me so far? Now - just think about that for a while... )

Why doesn't the "pull" of the moon affect the water content of the atmosphere between it and the Earth?

You mean to tell me that the gravitational "pull" of the moon can "hold up" many Gazillions of gallons of water in an ocean while having no effect whatsoever on water vapor in the atmosphere...??????????

"You are kidding --- right???"

Any water vapor - in the atmosphere or anywhere else - that is not specifically being driven downward by the wind - should be rising upwards continually ( even slowly ) - right?

If we place water vapor in a bell jar - completely isolated - no wind currents at all - with the moon directly overhead -- will the water vapor rise upward until it reaches the 'hard' physical limit of the glass at the top of the bell jar?

Don't give me any crap about air pressure, blah blah blah, etc. ----- if the "pull" of the moon can "break" all of those physical laws out in the open ( where so many more / other physical laws come into play ) with the exceedingly-more-heavy oceans - then - it would absolutely have no problem whatsoever "sucking" the water vapor in the bell jar to the top of the bell jar.

The "fluid dynamics" of the liquid water in the oceans would be a much greater "foe" for the "pull" of the moon to overcome than would be the "fluid dynamics" of the water vapor in the bell jar.

These are the kinds of things you need to think about. Expand your awareness to the "bigger picture" of things.

And -- if you study this "opinion" of modern science carefully enough - utilizing the actual 'physics' that is behind the claim -- I believe that you will discover that the gravitational "pull" of the moon ( or the Earth or anything else ) will be much greater on water vapor than it will be on many Gazillions of gallons of water.

In other words, there would be a much greater 'resistance' to the "pull" of the moon from the localized physical properties of a larger amount of water than of a smaller amount of water.

Why does the "pull" of the moon affect the huge amounts of water so massively while having no effect whatsoever on the smaller amounts of water?

Here is another question to consider:

Does the "pull" of the moon affect anything other than water?

If not, then -- why not?

If it does, then -- what effects would there be from it?

If the "pull" of the moon has such a great effect on the oceans --- why does it have no effect whatsoever on a butterfly or a soap bubble floating in air?
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Because marine animals have to contend with the tides, which are regulated by the moon. Coral reef animals, for example, spawn once every lunar cycle, usually at the full moon. So whether human, plant, or animal, the moon does appear to have a significant influence on our reproduction.
 
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Gideon300 said:
I know the truth. The earth is a sphere. Water tells me that the circumference of the earth is so great that the curvature is undetectable over short distances.
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You're halfway to becoming a Flat Earther. Flat Earthers go a step further to believe that any curvature of the Earth is also undetectable over long distances.
 
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TheLearner said:
Ah, the flood would be impossible because water and ice would flow over the edges. Water Pressure would not allow ice to form there.ible because the water would fall off the edges. The power of the Water would push any forming ice off the edge too.
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It could have just filled up the firmament, if the firmament touches the land beyond the ice-wall at Antarctica.
 
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Billyd said:
I don't normally respond to posts like this, but you drawing shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that the earth is round and also a ball. Go back and complete your basic Geometry course.

I'll leave you with this fact. A direct (straight line over the surface of the earth) flight to Madrid from New York is longer than a Great Circle flight. If the Earth were flat, the distance would be the same.

https://gisgeography.com/great-circle-geodesic-line-shortest-flight-path/
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Flight paths are regulated and delegated.

God created the Laws that govern His created Earth.

Follow the Flow of the LAW of Physics governing Water = It is all the Truth you need to know to SEE.

Well, you certainly are standing on mostly level ground by which the LAW of physics adheres your body to.
Amazingly, water obeys only the LAW of physics governing it and so water completely rejects any such thing as gravity.

Simple test: scoop a bucket in the ocean at high tide, then place the bucket of ocean water on level ground = SEE what occurs.
Now take that bucket of ocean water and place it on uneven ground(with a incline and/or decline) = SEE what occurs.

Truly amazing.

"When He assigned to the sea its limit,
So that the waters would not transgress His command,
When He marked out the foundations of the earth,"
Proverbs 8:29

The Earth has limitations and has boundaries set for Water = Sea LEVEL = A rise above Sea LEVEL become the boundaries for ALL Water on Earth = Lakes, Rivers and Oceans have their God Created Boundaries known as 'high ground' which is only overcome when the Water Levels RISE about set boundaries.

Trillion ton oceans, fluid water, contained by gravity = satanist globalist deception at its best flooding the minds of men
SEE = "So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood."

 
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FYI. I was navigator of an Aircraft Carrier. All my charts and my plots were based on a spherical earth. We sailed shortest path most of the time. It was always an arc. It all boiled down to minimizing fuel consumption.

I suggest that you Flat Earthers go back to school and study a little math and physics.

Simply put, you need to stop spreading this FE garbage.
 
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Inquisitor said:
There does seem to be a link between the phases of the moon and changes in symptoms of bipolar disorder. There's also some evidence that a full moon can lead to less deep sleep and a delay in entering into REM sleep. In addition, some studies have shown a slight change in cardiovascular conditions during a full moon.

So the moon has a noticeable affect on us. As well as a tidal influence.
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Inquisitor said:
Because marine animals have to contend with the tides, which are regulated by the moon. Coral reef animals, for example, spawn once every lunar cycle, usually at the full moon. So whether human, plant, or animal, the moon does appear to have a significant influence on our reproduction.
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Any effects of the moon on earth would be purely 'gravitational' - would they not?

The whole moon is still there at all times, in all phases.

Why do you suppose it matters how much of the moon is 'lit'?
 
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EDENgate said:
It does seem related given the title.
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It may be said that it is related; however, the whole point of this thread is that 'Ball Earth conundrums' stands on its own by itself.

In this thread, the idea is to consider only the Ball Earth model - and discuss the things within that model that don't seem to add up...
 
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GaryA said:
Any effects of the moon on earth would be purely 'gravitational' - would they not?

The whole moon is still there at all times, in all phases.

Why do you suppose it matters how much of the moon is 'lit'?
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The moon is sometime closer to us and other times further away. Hence, the effect of gravity on the earth surface is stronger or weaker. All the planets in the solar system are sometimes closer to us. Any Mars mission has to be launched during a small window of time, when Mars is closer to the Earth.

Our solar system is not as smooth and structured as some would believe.
 
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