Is accepting Christ enough to be saved?

[ebdesroches]

I wrote the thread " Is accepting Christ enough to be saved?"

In that thread everyone said that faith that Jesus by His sacrifice was enough to be saved. Some said (which was the position of the thread I wrote) that If there was no evidence of the faith the faith was dead (agreement with James).

I wrote this thread to say that not only protestants but Catholics and Orthodox INDIVIDUALLY might have something to offer. The ones that have faith in Jesus for their salvation. But in it became an arguement against the Catholic Church. Would you like everyone to excoriate you if you belonged to what they believed was a heretic baptist, Lutheran, or independent (or 33,000 protestant denominations) part of the body of Christ?

I know Catholics that I have no doubt are Christians, they have the faith that many of you need to be saved.

I see through the glass darkly, and very likely I need mercy in all areas including being a partial or full heretic in some areas. Are you certain every theological pronouncement you say is absolutely right? I need Jesus to wash me, cleans me from sin (including believing incorectly and obeying HIm) always.

Are we Protestants the Pharasee?

 

[riverhooks]

I wrote the thread " Is accepting Christ enough to be saved?"

In that thread everyone said that faith that Jesus by His sacrifice was enough to be saved. Some said (which was the position of the thread I wrote) that If there was no evidence of the faith the faith was dead (agreement with James).

I wrote this thread to say that not only protestants but Catholics and Orthodox INDIVIDUALLY might have something to offer. The ones that have faith in Jesus for their salvation. But in it became an arguement against the Catholic Church. Would you like everyone to excoriate you if you belonged to what they believed was a heretic baptist, Lutheran, or independent (or 33,000 protestant denominations) part of the body of Christ?

I know Catholics that I have no doubt are Christians, they have the faith that many of you need to be saved.

I see through the glass darkly, and very likely I need mercy in all areas including being a partial or full heretic in some areas. Are you certain every theological pronouncement you say is absolutely right? I need Jesus to wash me, cleans me from sin (including believing incorectly and obeying HIm) always.

Are we Protestants the Pharasee?

There are some Catholics who" believe on Him whom God has sent" and no doubt are saved because of the Cross and the Resurrection and believe in their heart the Jesus is risen from the dead, they are saved by grace through that faith as long as it is in the living God. However the Catholic doctrine is also that the Pope is the Head of the Church. Not the Lord Jesus Christ . The protestant view is this is AntiChrist. The idolatries of the Catholic Church , salvation only by membership in the Catholic , the veneration of Mary. The list goes on and on The Mass which is the sacrificing of Christ over and over . Confessing sins to a man . The Catholic Church is Mystery Babylon the Mother of Harlots and Abominations in the earth. In the Book of Revelation, "That great city "sits on seven hills", "reigns over the kings of the earth", and is" dressed in purple(Bishops) and scarlet"(Cardinals) 'with a golden cup in her hand" ( Papal Mass). You see protestants believe in scripture over Papal decrees . God is provoked by idolatry. Are we to condemn Catholics ?, Not at all "condemn not lest ye be condemned" On the contrary the cry of the Spirit of God is "Come out of her my people". The Spirit and the Bride say come. But for those protestants who are going into the Catholic Church , Woe unto them. Sending their kids to Catholic schools . How could they do this being once enlightened ? How many protestants have been martryed by the Catholic Church ? Did you know the Jesuits were formed to oppose the reformation ? They are to this day, bound by vows to destroy Protestantism . Brother you better check your heart and do due diligence to study to show yourself approved to God a workman that does not need to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. Biden is in this club as is Francis.

 

[ebdesroches]

Decrying all that you suppose is wrong with Catholics is not a good approach to what you think is trying to win them over. One of my Protestant friends told me (being as you are myself then) is to consider they are in the same camp, saved if they are. Then you will have more of a chance of helping them. Antagonism is not a good evangelical approach. You do have to get close enough to know if they are saved or not. You do have to love them if they are not saved (as you need even to love other non-believers and your enemies). You have been taught according to our Protestant stance all these things about the CC are true but the facts of what the Catholic church (what they state as official doctrine) is different from what you believe they are in many cases. The bedrock beliefs (the fundamentals of the faith) are the same as ours. Its impossible to find out of the 33000+ Protestant denomination a Protestant denomination that has it 100 percent right (all see through a glass darkly). My friend used to say "No one has a corner on the truth market".

You mention the Pope: I would rather have an authority structure that has some control over the Pastors and Bishops in the church. From personal experience I have found out what a tyrant Protestant Head Pastor is like (not pretty!). We rag on the CC that the priests and bishops sin sexually, but that is true in both the CC and Protestant churches. There is more hope that the CC can change because of its hierarchy (if that changes the whole can be fixed). I suspect with all the publicity of the failings of the CC, that will be changed. With Protestant isolated tyrant ministry heads there is much less hope.

 

[riverhooks]

Like I said , to assume atagonism to Catholics is to murk the issue. There is no easy fix here. Jesus said, You must be born again. God seeks those who will worship Him in Spirit and in truth. To take the position "one size fits all" does not apply here. Personally , I don't believe you can talk someone out of Catholicism , you have to pray them out. Love them out ? eh. You first. But get them out by all means, because if they insist on the intercession of Mary , or other practices such as kissing statues or the feet of the Pope, and are not born-again they are not my brother. The are lost. I adopted a hispanic family as a child, Catholics went who went to Mass every Sunday. My childhood friends down the street are my life long friends. I was raised as one of their own , and the Mom was as a second mother to me. She believed on the Lord Jesus and recently went to be with the Lord at 96 as is did her husband a combat marine from the pacific theather . I would have issue with any one who would be antagonistic towards them or deny their salvation. It is by grace you are saved through faith not of works lest any man should boast. I am sorry you are mistaken , their beliefs are not the same as ours ? Speaking for myself , I take the authority of God's Word . If you have issue with the Word of God or do not take it literally as such then I'm sorry we disagree. Their doctrine is the farthest thing from what I believe. The list of error is massive I only mentioned a few in my previous posts . I don't exalt myself in Pharissectial style and becry their error. I compare what they believe to scripture as I should "contend for the faith once delivered to the saints" rightly dividing the Word of truth for which I will give an account to the Creator. I have recently lost several of my relatives to Catholicism. I pray for them . You need the Bible to know the truth and cultivate a relationship with Jesus. Because it is Jesus or Lost. Peace.

 

[ebdesroches]

I know what you are saying. I was once that way.

 

[Magenta]

Matthew 5:43-45 plus Ephesians 4:32

 

[ebdesroches]

Matthew 5:43-45 plus Ephesians 4:32

yes of course, ☺️
Matthew 5:43-45 plus Ephesians 4:32

 

[riverhooks]

The short gospel...1 John 5:14 ... "He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life". Relationship not Religion, Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. "

 

[Pilgrimshope]

you are equating YOUR works with salvation

no one has ever said on this forum, that I am aware of, that we do nothing after we are saved

you are equating your actions with the impossible idea of them having anything to do with your salvation

so many people seem to have trouble understanding that and will declare that if you do not somehow pull up your sleeves and get busy for God, you are not saved

yet, and this they miss too, Jesus said miracles were done in His name and yet He rejects them...works were not good enough?

NO! the heart was wicked.

“you are equating YOUR works with salvation”

yeah probably one of those darn believers who hears the truth

“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Or maybe this truth which is why Paul taught that jidgement to thy church

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;

they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭

Are you noticing e correlation yet ? It’s always based on thier deeds or again

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Even our words

“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:36‬ ‭

We should just accept Jesus doctrine it’s infallible and will teach us what we need to know and do without subjecting oneself to Christ we have no hope

 

[Jackson123]

I wrote the thread " Is accepting Christ enough to be saved?"

In that thread everyone said that faith that Jesus by His sacrifice was enough to be saved. Some said (which was the position of the thread I wrote) that If there was no evidence of the faith the faith was dead (agreement with James).

I wrote this thread to say that not only protestants but Catholics and Orthodox INDIVIDUALLY might have something to offer. The ones that have faith in Jesus for their salvation. But in it became an arguement against the Catholic Church. Would you like everyone to excoriate you if you belonged to what they believed was a heretic baptist, Lutheran, or independent (or 33,000 protestant denominations) part of the body of Christ?

I know Catholics that I have no doubt are Christians, they have the faith that many of you need to be saved.

I see through the glass darkly, and very likely I need mercy in all areas including being a partial or full heretic in some areas. Are you certain every theological pronouncement you say is absolutely right? I need Jesus to wash me, cleans me from sin (including believing incorectly and obeying HIm) always.

Are we Protestants the Pharasee?

Catholic is not base on the Bible alone, so I am not call them Christian. Christian not pray to Mary
additional doctrine is prohibit
also catholic teach about purgatory that is not in the Bible

catholic teach, muslim God is catholic God

ccc 841
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

christian god is not Muslim god because christian God is Jesus and teach to love not to kill

 

[Gideon300]

There are some Catholics who" believe on Him whom God has sent" and no doubt are saved because of the Cross and the Resurrection and believe in their heart the Jesus is risen from the dead, they are saved by grace through that faith as long as it is in the living God. However the Catholic doctrine is also that the Pope is the Head of the Church. Not the Lord Jesus Christ . The protestant view is this is AntiChrist. The idolatries of the Catholic Church , salvation only by membership in the Catholic , the veneration of Mary. The list goes on and on The Mass which is the sacrificing of Christ over and over . Confessing sins to a man . The Catholic Church is Mystery Babylon the Mother of Harlots and Abominations in the earth. In the Book of Revelation, "That great city "sits on seven hills", "reigns over the kings of the earth", and is" dressed in purple(Bishops) and scarlet"(Cardinals) 'with a golden cup in her hand" ( Papal Mass). You see protestants believe in scripture over Papal decrees . God is provoked by idolatry. Are we to condemn Catholics ?, Not at all "condemn not lest ye be condemned" On the contrary the cry of the Spirit of God is "Come out of her my people". The Spirit and the Bride say come. But for those protestants who are going into the Catholic Church , Woe unto them. Sending their kids to Catholic schools . How could they do this being once enlightened ? How many protestants have been martryed by the Catholic Church ? Did you know the Jesuits were formed to oppose the reformation ? They are to this day, bound by vows to destroy Protestantism . Brother you better check your heart and do due diligence to study to show yourself approved to God a workman that does not need to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. Biden is in this club as is Francis.

Dead religion is a blight no matter what denomination. Catholicism has the wrong structures and wrong doctrines. Protestantism has many flawed structures, although less so than Catholicism. Protestant doctrines are more accurate, but doctrine never saved anyone. I have better acceptance and fellowship with the local Anglican pastor than I do with the nearby Baptist church's pastor. I agree more with Baptist doctrine, but the pastor is spiritually dead. My Anglican brother believes things that I do not, but he loves Jesus and loves people. So I asked him to marry us and not the Baptist fellow. 8th of October is the big day!

 

[emprezza]

No. Faith and works as taught by the apostles who spent time with Yeshua

 

[riverhooks]

If you base your Faith on the Words of Jesus and practice them . Rock . If Not . Sand. Church membership for salvation ? agreed dead religion. Abiding in Christ is about continuing in His Word and being His disciple indeed. Faith , Biblical Faith comes by Hearing and Hearing by the Word of God. In dealing with Calvinism pray to be blessed and He'll take care of the rest , election is enough. They don't get that the elect are those who believe not those who are selected . Faith is enough for salvation , works come from the indwelling Christ. No works for salvation , "the obedience of faith ".

 

[riverhooks]

I know what you are saying. I was once that way.

Sorry to hear it .

 

[ebdesroches]

I know what you are saying. I was once that way.

Do have a passionate love for God? Do you wake up at night (or day when you are awake) and say I love you Father? Does He embrace you and love you at unexpected times? Does your heart long for Him when you don't feel His presence. Do you worship Him every minute you have? Do you pray for every person you meet to give them something that He gives you to give to them (I am working on this)? Do you have his heart, about How he feels about people that are hurting, that you mourn when evil happens (I need His help for sure here).

Doctrine and scripture is:

1. Love God above all things
2. Love others like yourself

Do you know you love God?
Does God's spirit live in you to love others?

You can know the scriptures and doctrine but not BE what it says.

(God help me because I am far less than anything you want me to BE!)

 

[riverhooks]

Do have a passionate love for God? Do you wake up at night (or day when you are awake) and say I love you Father? Does He embrace you and love you at unexpected times? Does your heart long for Him when you don't feel His presence. Do you worship Him every minute you have? Do you pray for every person you meet to give them something that He gives you to give to them (I am working on this)? Do you have his heart, about How he feels about people that are hurting, that you mourn when evil happens (I need His help for sure here).

Doctrine and scripture is:

1. Love God above all things
2. Love others like yourself

Do you know you love God?
Does God's spirit live in you to love others?

You can know the scriptures and doctrine but not BE what it says.

(God help me because I am far less than anything you want me to BE!)

I don't do any of those things . Were you once a protestant and have joined the Catholic religion ? I believe we were at is faith enough as a topic. For Catholics no. It is faith and works . You have to believe in the Sacraments ( works) As far as your above list . Do I have a Passionate love for God ?. Yes. I worship Him . No I don' t say I love you Jesus or I love you Father. He gets it . Since I learned that God lives in the praises of his people ( try it if you want to know his presence ) and practice it " by him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually. Psalm 22:3 Lets talk about specifics . I like your questions . But the point of agreement will always be the final authority of scripture.

 

[riverhooks]

 

[riverhooks]

I see the scripture as many "As received Him to them He gave the power to become the sons of God. " I assume that as many as are receiving Him are convinced of their sinfulness and life apart from God. They are believing into Him. Into a contractual agreement and covenant understanding. That there will be consequences for the sinner who lives apart from God. Is receiving Him enough .? Yes , if you have saving faith. If you continue, if at meeting God you move on to know Him. If your life changes . The Lord took me by the ear once and walked me down the street in Lake Tahoe. It was at night and the Spirit of The Lord literally got me up off my rear and pulled me down the street to a putting green on a golf course which I entered by stepping over a wooden fence that was only a few feet high. The atmosphere was alive with the anticipation the Lord was going to speak. As I buried my face in hands on the ground and knelt before the Lord in the dark. It was intense the Lord was about to speak. The Holy Spirit quickened or brought to my remembrance as He does according to John chapter 16, two scriptures. Quote " The work of God is to believe on Him whom God has sent". AND "The just shall live by faith". We were done. That is what He had to say . We were done.

 

[Evmur]

The one time mere confession of "accepting Christ" from the non-Christian and the Christian is far from enough! It only puts you in the same category as Satan who believes! If you are a Christian what should your attitude be about doing the right thing? Are you saved? 1John 3:9 says “No one born of God commits sin; for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God.” Many translations say "continue" in sin, a habit of sinning. Matthew 7:21 says: “Not everyone who says to me ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” Christianity is about doing God’s will. Rev 20:13: "... and they were judged every man according to their works."

What Jesus do you believe in? The one who gave himself to redeem us from all iniquity? The one who gave us a new nature, who enabled us to do what’s right? Shall you continue in sin that grace may abound? (Rom 6:1). What you do is directly related to what you believe.
You have the power to walk the way he walked.

Does obeying God's just commandments mean that it has to be a hard, white knuckled, teeth clenching event as a Christian? No! You can love Him and really want to do what is right, because you seek to please God with all of your heart, all of your mind and all of your soul. Many have felt the return love of God which cannot be replaced by anything on this Earth. Out of the abundance of love for God you will want to worship Him because he first loved you by His sacrifice. When you know Him even more you will see who He really is, His power, beauty, His gentleness, His tenderness, (and a long list of other superlatives) plus his continued forgiveness for the rare times you fall. Then you will want to worship Him even more!

The church must learn to differentiate between salvation and discipleship. Salvation is an act of pure grace, it is FREE, a gift and it is eternal.

Did you ever hear the words "many are called but few are chosen.?" Christians can be so gloomy. They think oh that means just a few shrivelled souls are going to make it.

It doesn't it means multitudes followed Christ and believed on Him but there were only 12 chosen apostles. It's ALWAYS been that way down through church history.

"if any man will follow Me" is a whole different ball game.

 

[Jackson123]

I wrote the thread " Is accepting Christ enough to be saved?"

In that thread everyone said that faith that Jesus by His sacrifice was enough to be saved. Some said (which was the position of the thread I wrote) that If there was no evidence of the faith the faith was dead (agreement with James).

I wrote this thread to say that not only protestants but Catholics and Orthodox INDIVIDUALLY might have something to offer. The ones that have faith in Jesus for their salvation. But in it became an arguement against the Catholic Church. Would you like everyone to excoriate you if you belonged to what they believed was a heretic baptist, Lutheran, or independent (or 33,000 protestant denominations) part of the body of Christ?

I know Catholics that I have no doubt are Christians, they have the faith that many of you need to be saved.

I see through the glass darkly, and very likely I need mercy in all areas including being a partial or full heretic in some areas. Are you certain every theological pronouncement you say is absolutely right? I need Jesus to wash me, cleans me from sin (including believing incorectly and obeying HIm) always.

Are we Protestants the Pharasee?

I am not agree catholic is christian
catholic not base on the Bible alone
there are a lot of interpretation among Protestant but all of them declare bible as the omly text book, not catholic

catholic declare of worship Muslim god in her ccc

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

no wonder on her history she did killing, torturing and persecuting as Muslim did
because they worship the same god