"The rich man And Lazarus..."
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Are you really not aware that the Greek word "Hades" is translated as "hell" in English??
Jesus told a real story about real people who died and went to Hades. Abraham, obviously a saved man, was in Paradise, which Jesus called "Abraham's bosom", where Lazarus, another saved man was resting with Abraham. The unsaved man was the rich man, who went to torments, which was close enough for him to see Lazarus and talk with Abraham.
So, both men, one saved and one unsaved, where in the same vicinity, which is called Hades in Greek, or hell in English.
So Jesus' story refutes your claim about no unsaved men in hell before judgment day.
So, where do you think the souls of unsaved men are before the GWT judgment anyway?
Jesus told a real story about real people who died and went to Hades. Abraham, obviously a saved man, was in Paradise, which Jesus called "Abraham's bosom", where Lazarus, another saved man was resting with Abraham. The unsaved man was the rich man, who went to torments, which was close enough for him to see Lazarus and talk with Abraham.
So, both men, one saved and one unsaved, where in the same vicinity, which is called Hades in Greek, or hell in English.
So Jesus' story refutes your claim about no unsaved men in hell before judgment day.
So, where do you think the souls of unsaved men are before the GWT judgment anyway?
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Of course it refutes my claim if one self interprets the parable. God tells us to compare Spiritual with spiritual.
Meaning if I read one account of something in the Bible there should be another account of it.
Spiritual with spiritual does not mean: Read Spiritual then interpret it with your own mind.
But all this is rubbish from your end. We know the unsaved goes to a place of silence when they die. THAT MAN IS PRAYING IN HELL!
Now, can parables contradict the Word of God?
Meaning if I read one account of something in the Bible there should be another account of it.
Spiritual with spiritual does not mean: Read Spiritual then interpret it with your own mind.
But all this is rubbish from your end. We know the unsaved goes to a place of silence when they die. THAT MAN IS PRAYING IN HELL!
Now, can parables contradict the Word of God?
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Uh, no. We are to compare Scripture with Scripture. I think you have misunderstood.
OK, please quote the verse(s) that says this. If this were actually true, the account that Jesus gave would have been totally FALSE, so what would His point be if there is only silence after death?
What man? Not the rich man. Not Lazarus. And not Abraham. So, who?
Neither parables nor real accounts of real events.
OK, please quote the verse(s) that says this. If this were actually true, the account that Jesus gave would have been totally FALSE, so what would His point be if there is only silence after death?
What man? Not the rich man. Not Lazarus. And not Abraham. So, who?
Neither parables nor real accounts of real events.
Please consider this is referring to silence on earth. If the verse meant that the souls of dead people are silent, then Jesus' account of Lazarus and the rich man make NO SENSE at all. Jesus even has Abraham speaking.
Please consider this verse referring to the physical bodies of people who have died. Their bodies will surely "awake" at the resurrection.
Both of the saved, and of the unsaved. Acts 24:15
Perspective is everything. Along with context.
Please consider this verse referring to the physical bodies of people who have died. Their bodies will surely "awake" at the resurrection.
Both of the saved, and of the unsaved. Acts 24:15
Perspective is everything. Along with context.
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Please consider this is referring to silence on earth. If the verse meant that the souls of dead people are silent, then Jesus' account of Lazarus and the rich man make NO SENSE at all. Jesus even has Abraham speaking.
Please consider this verse referring to the physical bodies of people who have died. Their bodies will surely "awake" at the resurrection.
Both of the saved, and of the unsaved. Acts 24:15
Perspective is everything. Along with context.
Please consider this verse referring to the physical bodies of people who have died. Their bodies will surely "awake" at the resurrection.
Both of the saved, and of the unsaved. Acts 24:15
Perspective is everything. Along with context.
Everything fits. The Bible is a cohesive book.
Your mind, that is.
This is nonsense. He went to Hades to preach to the "spirits in prison".
I am beginning to wonder if you know. He said "it is finished" because the Father was finished judging Jesus for the sins of mankind.
iow, for those 3 hours, Jesus was separated from the Father. That is spiritual death. The death that He died on the cross wasn't His physical death but His spiritual death. That is the ONLY REASON He could say "it is finished" before He died physically.
btw, His physical death was simply that He dismissed His spirit. John 19:30
Not sure what you are referring to here. The story about Lazarus and the rich man isn't a parable. What parable are you referring to?
Absolutely
This is nonsense. He went to Hades to preach to the "spirits in prison".
I am beginning to wonder if you know. He said "it is finished" because the Father was finished judging Jesus for the sins of mankind.
iow, for those 3 hours, Jesus was separated from the Father. That is spiritual death. The death that He died on the cross wasn't His physical death but His spiritual death. That is the ONLY REASON He could say "it is finished" before He died physically.
btw, His physical death was simply that He dismissed His spirit. John 19:30
Not sure what you are referring to here. The story about Lazarus and the rich man isn't a parable. What parable are you referring to?
Absolutely
No unsaved person in the Bible wore the color purple. And fine linen is defined as the righteousness of the saints. It's simple if you read the text and come up with your own interpretation.
Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths.
Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths.
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• 1 Pet 3:18-20 . . quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and
preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when
once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was
a preparing,
The spirits in prison are commonly assumed to be fallen angels when they're
far more likely the disembodied remains of Noah's evil neighbors about
whom God said: "My spirit will not contend with man forever" (Gen 6:3)
My spirit didn't do the contending Himself in person. It was done for Him by
Noah, the inspired man of the hour back then.
• 2 Pet 2:5 . . Noah . . . a preacher of righteousness
So then, Christ didn't preach to the disobedient by the Spirit after they were
dead, rather, before they all drowned in the Flood.
NOTE: When Christ passed away on the cross, he went to a place called
paradise; translated from a Greek word for parks, i.e. grass, trees, shrubs,
flowers, and water. Well, I hardly think that a word like "prison" is an
appropriate word for describing a place like that.
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• 1 Pet 3:18-20 . . quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and
preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when
once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was
a preparing,
The spirits in prison are commonly assumed to be fallen angels when they're
far more likely the disembodied remains of Noah's evil neighbors about
whom God said: "My spirit will not contend with man forever" (Gen 6:3)
My spirit didn't do the contending Himself in person. It was done for Him by
Noah, the inspired man of the hour back then.
• 2 Pet 2:5 . . Noah . . . a preacher of righteousness
So then, Christ didn't preach to the disobedient by the Spirit after they were
dead, rather, before they all drowned in the Flood.
NOTE: When Christ passed away on the cross, he went to a place called
paradise; translated from a Greek word for parks, i.e. grass, trees, shrubs,
flowers, and water. Well, I hardly think that a word like "prison" is an
appropriate word for describing a place like that.
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