Anti-vaxxers are people too?

[Moses_Young]

As most of you would know by now, I'm a proud anti-vaxxer. That is to say, I'm not against injectable prophylactics per se, but I've never come across one where I've thought the benefits are worth the risks. And I don't expect I ever shall.

The recent covid-19 scamdemic brought this belief into sharp focus for many likeminded people, but I noticed one strange thing very often when someone was speaking against the covid-19 "vaccines". Right at the start, he or she would begin with the disclaimer "I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but..." As if being an anti-vaxxer somehow gave one less credibility, or meant that one shouldn't have the same right to an opinion as other people, or something.

I noted when the government, the Lame Stream Media or the other pharmaceutical stooges pushing the covid-19 vaxxes were trying to sell their snake-oil, they didn't lead with the statement "I'm not on the payroll of Big Pharma, but..."

So what gives? Anti-vaxxers are people, too? Right?

 

[ZNP]

As most of you would know by now, I'm a proud anti-vaxxer. That is to say, I'm not against injectable prophylactics per se, but I've never come across one where I've thought the benefits are worth the risks. And I don't expect I ever shall.

The recent covid-19 scamdemic brought this belief into sharp focus for many likeminded people, but I noticed one strange thing very often when someone was speaking against the covid-19 "vaccines". Right at the start, he or she would begin with the disclaimer "I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but..." As if being an anti-vaxxer somehow gave one less credibility, or meant that one shouldn't have the same right to an opinion as other people, or something.

I noted when the government, the Lame Stream Media or the other pharmaceutical stooges pushing the covid-19 vaxxes were trying to sell their snake-oil, they didn't lead with the statement "I'm not on the payroll of Big Pharma, but..."

So what gives? Anti-vaxxers are people, too? Right?

I have said several times when accused of being "anti vax" that I am not. As a teacher I was required to get a number of shots. As a kid I got all my shots. When I went overseas I got my shots.

I refused to get the Covid Vaccine shot because I had already had Covid so it didn't make sense and because they were mandating an experimental vaccine without any evidence and because they had lied or been utterly wrong several times already causing me to not only lose trust in them but to actually distrust them.

The reason I would say this had nothing to do with thinking anti vaxxers were less credible but because I wanted to emphasize there were many other reasons to not get the vaccine than a general distrust of vaccines.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

This is a good topic to bring up to those in a forum such as this. I just want to add to the base of information here for those who respond. It in no way casts shade on you Moses nor is intended to change the outcome of the survey. You are likely aware of it as I think you're better informed than the vast majority of TV viewers.

The term"anti-vaxxers" is a pejorative used to insult those who choose not to put their faith in the medical industrial complex. It has been a very effective technique used to demonize us to the general public who has little to no inclination to examine the evidence or history of the concoctions that have had more money spent pushing their drugs than any that I am aware of.
The C👁️A has used this technique as well to frame the natives they use to manipulate the populations of the world. The popular example is the term "conspiracy theory.". If you do not agree with the propaganda they send to the media, they label you as a"conspiracy theorist.". Not only do they send out press releases, but they also fill positions in major news outlets. See my thread on CNN RIP Brian Stelter in the "Conspiracy" forum. There are network anchors and behind the scenes employees of the corporation AND C👁️A. The drug companies work likewise as employers of the FDA and other agencies that cooperate with their profits.

 

[Eli1]

Yes anti vaxxers are people too and Thank God we live in at a point in time in a place where goverment or church/religion does not force you against your will to do something you don’t want to do.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Yes anti vaxxers are people too and Thank God we live in at a point in time in a place where goverment or church/religion does not force you against your will to do something you don’t want to do.

It certainly should not be so.
However, the military and a multitude of federal, states, local and corporate positions. I've had conversations with a handful of each in daily dealings. Most don't like it, but were forced to to keep their jobs.

 

[Eli1]

It certainly should not be so.
However, the military and a multitude of federal, states, local and corporate positions. I've had conversations with a handful of each in daily dealings. Most don't like it, but were forced to to keep their jobs.

Hey it’s not perfect but at least it’s not a dictatorship or a old-school monarchy.

 

[ZNP]

Hey it’s not perfect but at least it’s not a dictatorship or a old-school monarchy.

Will be soon, give them a chance to get it set up.

 

[Dude653]

Anti-vaxxers are like the vegan who can't go 5 minutes without mentioning it that he's vegan.
I get it. You didn't want to take the backs for your own personal reasons but stop being all annoying and preachy to the people who did choose to take the vaccine

 

[ZNP]

Anti-vaxxers are like the vegan who can't go 5 minutes without mentioning it that he's vegan.
I get it. You didn't want to take the backs for your own personal reasons but stop being all annoying and preachy to the people who did choose to take the vaccine

Oh, so we need another possible answer on the poll for Dude:

Anti-Vaxxers are people too but they are annoying and should keep silent.

As for me I have learned a lot from anti vaxxers and have become much more aware of the sins of Big Pharma.

 

[Dude653]

Oh, so we need another possible answer on the poll for Dude:

Anti-Vaxxers are people too but they are annoying and should keep silent.

As for me I have learned a lot from anti vaxxers and have become much more aware of the sins of Big Pharma.

Yeah if I say I decided to take the vaccine because three people on you personally died of covid, one of them was my age. I am not trying to be among them so I decided to get vaccinated.
I don't need a condescending lecture about how I was manipulated into doing something that I decided to do on my own free will

 

[ZNP]

Yeah if I say I decided to take the vaccine because three people on you personally died of covid, one of them was my age. I am not trying to be among them so I decided to get vaccinated.
I don't need a condescending lecture about how I was manipulated into doing something that I decided to do on my own free will

condescending -- having or showing a feeling of patronizing superiority.

Now where have I seen posts like that, hmmm, think, think, think.

 

[Nehemiah6]

So what gives? Anti-vaxxers are people, too? Right?

Actually they are the smartest people, and the evidence is all around us.

Everyone had a chance to evaluate the Scamdemic, but probably 99% of people worldwide chose to believe the liars rather than believe the facts. Now young people, especially young doctors and athletes are dropping dead like flies, and the utterly dishonest medical establishments and mainstream media refuse to honestly admit that it is the bogus vaccines and their bogus boosters which are killing off people (including children).

What absolutely no one has come right out and said that this was a CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY to blatantly violate the Nuremberg Code, and even the Great Barrington Declaration, and commit crimes against humanity.

"As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection."

 

[Nehemiah6]

61,000 Millennials Aged 25 to 44 Died in 2021 After COVID Vaccine Mandates – 84% Increase in Mortality Rate
https://healthimpactnews.com/2022/6...ccine-mandates-84-increase-in-mortality-rate/

 

[ZNP]

Personally what I thought was the most compelling proof that we were being lied to was what they did with HCQ. You have the President of the US make this recommendation, presumably because his advisors told him about this and yet the whole media goes ballistic mocking him, ridiculing him, calling this "injecting yourself with bleach" and even Fauci comes out and publicly says he thinks it would be dangerous and unwise to take this.

So I was intrigued, what is HCQ.

1. Yes, if you increase the concentration 10,000x it can act as bleach. But increase the dose of any medicine by 10,000x and it will kill you.

2. You can make this from grapefruit rinds!

3. You don't need a prescription to buy it!

4. For 50 years it has been used safely and cheaply in Africa and other countries in the Equatorial region!

The more I read the more clear it became that this was not dangerous to take this, it had a 50 year track record, and the response to Trump saying this indicated that the powers that be were not interested in the truth, or our health.

To my mind I was standing on rock solid data and scientific proof when discussing HCQ whereas many of the attacks on the vaccine may or may not be true, but you certainly are not standing on the same rock solid data. Please note, I am talking about one year ago when they were mandating the vaccine and I had to make a decision. Today the amount of evidence that the vaccine is deadly is greater and stronger than it was a year ago. But remember a year ago we were told you would only need the shot and the booster and claims that every year you would need a new booster was simply a paranoid conspiracy theory.

Also we had not seen the people just keeling over and dying suddenly without explanation at that point.

But what we had seen is the President was very sick, he was treated with Ivermectin and HCQ and recovered very quickly. We can assume he had the best medical care, he is telling the rest of us we can use this, and the media goes haywire accusing him of telling people to inject bleach into their arms.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Personally what I thought was the most compelling proof that we were being lied to was what they did with HCQ.

Yes. This should have been the red flag for the whole world. HCQ and Ivermectin had already been established as anti-viral drugs, but the medical establishments and the public health agencies, plus the medical journals, literally attacked and sabotaged these LIFE-SAVING REMEDIES. This was medical fraud and criminality.

Hardly anyone will remember that Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, an Orthodox Jew from New York state, had already devised a protocol which included HCQ + zinc + Azithromycin and had had outstanding results with early treatments. He sent a letter to Donald Trump back in March 2020 asking him to make this remedy freely available. Instead of appointing Zelenko as his COVID czar, Trump handed this job to Anthony Fauci (who already had a record of shady dealings in bioweapons). After that Trump was the one who initiated Operation Warp Speed, and handed at least 10 billion dollars to the COVID conspirators. So Trump has to personally admit that he was working on behalf of the globalists and not the American people. And even to this day he refuses to admit that these bogus vaccines were a total scam and they should never have seen the light of day.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Yes. This should have been the red flag for the whole world. HCQ and Ivermectin had already been established as anti-viral drugs, but the medical establishments and the public health agencies, plus the medical journals, literally attacked and sabotaged these LIFE-SAVING REMEDIES. This was medical fraud and criminality.

Hardly anyone will remember that Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, an Orthodox Jew from New York state, had already devised a protocol which included HCQ + zinc + Azithromycin and had had outstanding results with early treatments. He sent a letter to Donald Trump back in March 2020 asking him to make this remedy freely available. Instead of appointing Zelenko as his COVID czar, Trump handed this job to Anthony Fauci (who already had a record of shady dealings in bioweapons). After that Trump was the one who initiated Operation Warp Speed, and handed at least 10 billion dollars to the COVID conspirators. So Trump has to personally admit that he was working on behalf of the globalists and not the American people. And even to this day he refuses to admit that these bogus vaccines were a total scam and they should never have seen the light of day.

Agreed.
I was wondering at the time why he wasn't draining the swamp, but rather playing with water moccasins, pushing their/ fauci's deadly bite. He should have taken his own parable he stated in multiple speeches to heart.

 

[PennEd]

Yes anti vaxxers are people too and Thank God we live in at a point in time in a place where goverment or church/religion does not force you against your will to do something you don’t want to do.

Yeah

They just threaten you to lose your job, prohibit you from going to an event, a restaurant, a school, travel, get needed surgery, etc....

But thank God they don't force ya!

 

[PennEd]

Anti-vaxxers are like the vegan who can't go 5 minutes without mentioning it that he's vegan.
I get it. You didn't want to take the backs for your own personal reasons but stop being all annoying and preachy to the people who did choose to take the vaccine

Dude, i seriously can't understand how you can say some of the stuff you say. I really think you're messing with us most times.

How is it even conceivably possible to call US annoying and preachy after what we went through the past 2+ yrs!!?

We faced LITERAL persecution from everyone from neighbors and relatives, to the entire media, and governments!

 

[PennEd]

Yeah if I say I decided to take the vaccine because three people on you personally died of covid, one of them was my age. I am not trying to be among them so I decided to get vaccinated.
I don't need a condescending lecture about how I was manipulated into doing something that I decided to do on my own free will

Think about the warped logic applied here.

First off, we don't know if said people who died were vaxxed or not.

Secondly, we have ZERO medical history from any of them.

Third, and most important, we KNOW for an inarguable FACT that the vax not only doesn't work, but actually PROMOTES getting the disease.

So why would you get a vax that doesn't work?

 

[ZNP]

So why would you get a vax that doesn't work?

Oh, oh, I know this one! Because Pfizer contributed to your campaign.