THE THIRD COMING OF CHRIST

[Jackson123]

Darby and Scofield were both great men of God. A little humility is in order I think!

To my knowledge Darby against bible

2 Tess 2

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

rapture not come before a man of sin reveal

mean after man of sin

mean after tribulation

so Darby is liar

verse 3 let no man deceived you or let no man lie to you
that mean Darby teach lie

 

[Jackson123]

Since Christ does not come to earth at the Rapture (and also comes momentarily), it cannot be regarded as a third coming.

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

seem to me second coming and our gathering on to Him happen in the same time

 

[NotmebutHim]

What is exactly like that?

Threads such as this are the reason why I post popcorn GIFs.

They have entertainment value and that's about it.

I agree with you and @kaylagrl.

 

[Magenta]

Threads such as this are the reason why I post popcorn GIFs.

They have entertainment value and that's about it.

I agree with you and @kaylagrl.

 

[Nehemiah6]

seem to me second coming and our gathering on to Him happen in the same time

That would be a virtual impossibility.

 

[Runningman]

I support THIRD COMING，second
coming has failed.

If you don’t mind me asking, you have stirred my curiosity by saying the second coming has failed. So what do you mean?

 

[Aussie52]

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

seem to me second coming and our gathering on to Him happen in the same time

A text without its context is just a pretext!
Paul is writing to the Thessalonians who thought the Day of the Lord had come. They were experiencing much persecution.
Paul tells them that that Day will not come until there is a great falling away and the Man of Sin (Antichrist) is revealed.
This will happen prior to Christ's second Coming.
Paul tells them that they are saved from the Wrath to come. 1 Thes 1:10. The Great Tribulation.
The Church is raptured before that event. 1 Thess 4:13-18.

 

[Evmur]

Wow!


I was a dispensationalist. I know more than you can imagine. Dispensationalism is hardly 200 years old. Cultists like John Darvin and C.I. Scofield were the priests of deception.

You believe in fables.

You know less than you think

John Nelson Darby taught a secret pre-tribulation rapture, THAT is what we reject. Not the rapture itself which is ancient and biblical.

 

[Komentaja]

Since Christ does not come to earth at the Rapture (and also comes momentarily), it cannot be regarded as a third coming.

I know thats how you try to wiggle out of it, so what do you do, when the rapture verse is considered a COMING in the bible?

1 Thessalonians 4:15-16
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

OH OH

Looks like the Bible calls it a coming, its the second coming btw.

 

[NotmebutHim]

"Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” - Acts 1:9-11 (NKJV)

 

[kaylagrl]

I support THIRD COMING，second coming has failed.

Has failed??? How so??!!

 

[Mem]

Has failed??? How so??!!

This is probably an opinion of the argument rather than the event itself.

 

[Mem]

If we look at a wedding supper, the groom goes away to prepare a place for his bride then returns for her, at which point the wedding event commences where the bride and the groom are pronounce 'together forever and never to be separated' and all gather for the wedding supper to celebrate the union. All the scriptures depicting those shut out of the wedding have no recourse, i.e. the groom's sentiment toward the five foolish virgins is, "I never knew you," which is set within the context of the parable of the talents, where the unrighteous servant is cast into outer darkness, and the sheep and goats where goats go into eternal punishment. There is no 'third coming' which is being proposed as a return for any stragglers.

 

[Jackson123]

A text without its context is just a pretext!
Paul is writing to the Thessalonians who thought the Day of the Lord had come. They were experiencing much persecution.
Paul tells them that that Day will not come until there is a great falling away and the Man of Sin (Antichrist) is revealed.
This will happen prior to Christ's second Coming.
Paul tells them that they are saved from the Wrath to come. 1 Thes 1:10. The Great Tribulation.
The Church is raptured before that event. 1 Thess 4:13-18.

So rapture after GT or after antichrist

 

[Jackson123]

That would be a virtual impossibility.

At least, according 2 Tess both second coming and rapture happen after antichrist being reveal, not before trib

 

[MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE]

You know less than you think

John Nelson Darby taught a secret pre-tribulation rapture, THAT is what we reject. Not the rapture itself which is ancient and biblical.

The so called rapture

"Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” - Acts 1:9-11 (NKJV)

Context, context, context my friend. Jesus did come back for the SECOND TIME to judge Israel and to officially end the old covenant (the law of Moses) so that the new and everlasting covenant will reach the world without the yoke of the law. So, who said that the Lord had to come visibly? Have we forgotten that Jesus is God, NOT some sort of "second in command"?

When God came to judge Israel in the OT did anyone see Him, or did they discern that the events that were taking place were a fulfillment of prophecies?

We have grown to be accustomed to the generic beliefs that we don't dare to question anything for fear of being called a heretic. Let's take our beliefs out of the box and start thinking for ourselves, at least once. Agree?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

A text without its context is just a pretext!
Paul is writing to the Thessalonians who thought the Day of the Lord had come. They were experiencing much persecution.
Paul tells them that that Day will not come until there is a great falling away and the Man of Sin (Antichrist) is revealed.
This will happen prior to Christ's second Coming.
Paul tells them that they are saved from the Wrath to come. 1 Thes 1:10. The Great Tribulation.
The Church is raptured before that event. 1 Thess 4:13-18.

We are saved from God's wrath yes. We are not damned. We are not told we will not experience tribulation & persecution.
Quite the opposite. The Church has a role to play during the GT.

 

[MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE]

You know less than you think

John Nelson Darby taught a secret pre-tribulation rapture, THAT is what we reject. Not the rapture itself which is ancient and biblical.

So, what will happen in the so-called "rapture"?

 

[MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE]

We are saved from God's wrath yes. We are not damned. We are not told we will not experience tribulation & persecution.
Quite the opposite. The Church has a role to play during the GT.

You have believed a hoax. Dispensationalism is hardly 200 years old. The tribulation that the bible speaks about was in reference to the Jewish-Roman war of A.D. 66-70. We read the word of God, we assume it didn't happen, so we push it all the way to the end of time and create a doctrine that is utterly, utterly false.

I'd rather go back to the scriptures and let God convince me of His word instead of listening to the "experts." By the way, I never said anything about being dammed

 

[MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE]

Threads such as this are the reason why I post popcorn GIFs.

They have entertainment value and that's about it.

I agree with you and @kaylagrl.

Do you agree with me??? I almost fell out of my chair! 😁