And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil
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FreeGrace2 said:
Yep. All your false teaching will be silenced.
You have quite the imagination.
When will you be doing that; speaking the words of God. Oh, yeah. You DO quote Scripture. Just too bad that you have no idea what the words mean.
I've seen parakeets "speak the words of God". But then, they have no idea what they are even saying.
Parakeets and parrots can easily be taught to say verses. Proving what, exactly?
Yep. All your false teaching will be silenced.
You have quite the imagination.
When will you be doing that; speaking the words of God. Oh, yeah. You DO quote Scripture. Just too bad that you have no idea what the words mean.
I've seen parakeets "speak the words of God". But then, they have no idea what they are even saying.
Parakeets and parrots can easily be taught to say verses. Proving what, exactly?
FreeGrace2 said:
When in 1 Sam 2 does Samuel say there is a "second death"? Revelation uses that term, but where does Samuel?
And when did "abe to" mean "will"?? You guys keep repeating that false notion, but you can't prove that it is true.
So typical. You quote some verses and I ask where Samuel speaks of the second death, and you just ignore it, even though you quoted from 1 Sam 2 prove a point. But you can't show where Samuel even mentioned second death.
When in 1 Sam 2 does Samuel say there is a "second death"? Revelation uses that term, but where does Samuel?
And when did "abe to" mean "will"?? You guys keep repeating that false notion, but you can't prove that it is true.
So typical. You quote some verses and I ask where Samuel speaks of the second death, and you just ignore it, even though you quoted from 1 Sam 2 prove a point. But you can't show where Samuel even mentioned second death.
This is Biblical for good servitude which I’m doing.
I know what the Bible says, you don’t. For example you don’t even have one verse to prove ECT for all of the unsaved, nor can you prove that death doesn’t apply to the soul, but I can. You’re lost and confused.
You would discuss the Bible with a bird wouldn’t you.
What’s your point, are you dehumanizing me and comparing me to a bird now?
I know what the Bible says, you don’t. For example you don’t even have one verse to prove ECT for all of the unsaved, nor can you prove that death doesn’t apply to the soul, but I can. You’re lost and confused.
You would discuss the Bible with a bird wouldn’t you.
What’s your point, are you dehumanizing me and comparing me to a bird now?
I wonder WHEN you are going to realize that I AGREE with that. Yes, yes, yes. Their resurrected bodies WILL perish. Absolutely.
And we (at least I do and most believers do) know that the beast and FP will STILL be in the LOF after 1,000 years and then will STILL BE tormented day and night for ever and ever.
I gave you the many translations that clearly indicate that "being tormented day and night for ever and ever" will be all 3; beast, FP and Satan (along with all his fallen angels). They all had the word "they" before "be tormented...".
But you can stick with the minority translations that leave out the "they".
Your opinion has no weight at all. Only FACTS do, and evidence from Scripture. But you don't even understand the verses you quote.
We all have what the Bible says. It takes a bit of discernment to understand what the Bible means.
And we (at least I do and most believers do) know that the beast and FP will STILL be in the LOF after 1,000 years and then will STILL BE tormented day and night for ever and ever.
I gave you the many translations that clearly indicate that "being tormented day and night for ever and ever" will be all 3; beast, FP and Satan (along with all his fallen angels). They all had the word "they" before "be tormented...".
But you can stick with the minority translations that leave out the "they".
Your opinion has no weight at all. Only FACTS do, and evidence from Scripture. But you don't even understand the verses you quote.
We all have what the Bible says. It takes a bit of discernment to understand what the Bible means.
What a foolish comment. I quote directly from Scripture to prove my point.
We both quote Scripture but we disagree on what the verses mean. You can't find any verse that shows God killing a soul. Only a verse that says He can. Big deal. So what. Again, you have nothing.
otoh, I have 2 verses that prove that the beast and FP are still in the LOF after 1,000 years when the devil gets cast in. and THEY THEY THEY will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. The KJV FAILS to communicate.
It couldn't be any more clear.
We both quote Scripture but we disagree on what the verses mean. You can't find any verse that shows God killing a soul. Only a verse that says He can. Big deal. So what. Again, you have nothing.
otoh, I have 2 verses that prove that the beast and FP are still in the LOF after 1,000 years when the devil gets cast in. and THEY THEY THEY will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. The KJV FAILS to communicate.
It couldn't be any more clear.
No.
Here’s the truth. The wicked perish in body, soul, and spirit.
Remember, “the soul who sins shall die. “Cleae, precise, the trump card to bury your false doctrines once and for all.
James 4:12
"God alone, who gave the law, is the Judge. He alone has the power to save or to destroy."
Hebrews 10:39
"But we are not like those who turn away from God to their own destruction..."
Philippians 3:18-19
"For I have told you often before, and I say it again with tears in my eyes, that there are many whose conduct shows they are really enemies of the cross of Christ.
19 They are headed for destruction."
Psalm 92:7
"Though the wicked sprout like weeds and evildoers flourish they will be destroyed forever."
Psalm 37:20
"But the wicked will die... they will disappear like smoke."
Psalm 1:6:
"... For the Lord watches over the path of the godly, but the path of the wicked leads to destruction."
Hebrews 10:26-27
"There is only the terrible expectation of God's judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies."
2 Peter 3:7
"...for the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed."
Romans 2:7
"He will give eternal life to those who keep on doing good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers."
Genesis 3:19
"For you were made from dust, and to dust you will return."
Psalm 146:4
"When they breathe their last, they return to the earth, and all their plans die with them."
Ecclesiastes 9:5
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins is the one who will die.
Jeremiah 19:5
"They have built pagan shrines to Baal, and there they burn their sons as sacrifices to Baal. I have never commanded such a horrible deed; it never even crossed My mind to command such a thing!"
Malachi 4:1, 4:3 "The day of judgment is coming, burning like a furnace. On that day the arrogant and the wicked will be burned up like straw. They will be consumed—roots, branches, and all... On the day when I act, you will tread upon the wicked as if they were dust under your feet," says the Lord of Heaven's Armies."
Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."
John 6:51
"I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will live forever" (the offer to live forever only makes sense if it were possible to not live forever.)
2 Thessalonians 1:9
"They will be punished with eternal destruction,forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power."
Romans 6:23
"For the wages of sin is death."
2 Peter 2:6
"and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, having made them an example unto those that should live ungodly"
Revelation 20:14-15
"And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, even the lake of fire. And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire."
Here’s the truth. The wicked perish in body, soul, and spirit.
Remember, “the soul who sins shall die. “Cleae, precise, the trump card to bury your false doctrines once and for all.
James 4:12
"God alone, who gave the law, is the Judge. He alone has the power to save or to destroy."
Hebrews 10:39
"But we are not like those who turn away from God to their own destruction..."
Philippians 3:18-19
"For I have told you often before, and I say it again with tears in my eyes, that there are many whose conduct shows they are really enemies of the cross of Christ.
19 They are headed for destruction."
Psalm 92:7
"Though the wicked sprout like weeds and evildoers flourish they will be destroyed forever."
Psalm 37:20
"But the wicked will die... they will disappear like smoke."
Psalm 1:6:
"... For the Lord watches over the path of the godly, but the path of the wicked leads to destruction."
Hebrews 10:26-27
"There is only the terrible expectation of God's judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies."
2 Peter 3:7
"...for the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed."
Romans 2:7
"He will give eternal life to those who keep on doing good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers."
Genesis 3:19
"For you were made from dust, and to dust you will return."
Psalm 146:4
"When they breathe their last, they return to the earth, and all their plans die with them."
Ecclesiastes 9:5
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins is the one who will die.
Jeremiah 19:5
"They have built pagan shrines to Baal, and there they burn their sons as sacrifices to Baal. I have never commanded such a horrible deed; it never even crossed My mind to command such a thing!"
Malachi 4:1, 4:3 "The day of judgment is coming, burning like a furnace. On that day the arrogant and the wicked will be burned up like straw. They will be consumed—roots, branches, and all... On the day when I act, you will tread upon the wicked as if they were dust under your feet," says the Lord of Heaven's Armies."
Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."
John 6:51
"I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will live forever" (the offer to live forever only makes sense if it were possible to not live forever.)
2 Thessalonians 1:9
"They will be punished with eternal destruction,forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power."
Romans 6:23
"For the wages of sin is death."
2 Peter 2:6
"and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, having made them an example unto those that should live ungodly"
Revelation 20:14-15
"And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, even the lake of fire. And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire."
It’s always funny to me that, almost without fail, the things you accuse others of doing is the thing you’re about to do: post a foolish comment.
Now you’ll be corrected and refuted by the word of God.
You say there is no verse where the soul dies?
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins is the one who will die.
Anyone who does in their sins their soul will die. Very clear. That’s the fate of the unsaved.
Now you’ll be corrected and refuted by the word of God.
You say there is no verse where the soul dies?
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins is the one who will die.
Anyone who does in their sins their soul will die. Very clear. That’s the fate of the unsaved.
Sure, we all have the same words in the Bible; well except your flawed KJV that left out the "they" in Rev 20:10 and really pushed you off the cliff. The key is to understand the meaning in each context, which you have failed to do.
Are you really not aware of what that phrase means? I have no idea whether any atheist would say that or not. Or what they would mean by it.
What I do know is that it is a phrase that means "let go of your hang-up".
You seem very obsessed with atheists. You keep mentioning them.
Well, your views are similar to theirs. Maybe that's why.
Are you really not aware of what that phrase means? I have no idea whether any atheist would say that or not. Or what they would mean by it.
What I do know is that it is a phrase that means "let go of your hang-up".
You seem very obsessed with atheists. You keep mentioning them.
Well, your views are similar to theirs. Maybe that's why.
I will keep reminding you that "abe to" NEVER means "will". But you don't want to believe that.
No one dies in hell. And the Bible never says that. You need to up your game and study more than you do.
Hell or Hades is a holding tank for unbelievers awaiting their judgment at the GWT, after which they will be thrown into the LOF where their mortal bodies will get to DIE AGAIN, but they will join the beast, FP and the devil and his angels to be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
That is clearly what the Bible SAYS. You can read it for yourself.
No one dies in hell. And the Bible never says that. You need to up your game and study more than you do.
Hell or Hades is a holding tank for unbelievers awaiting their judgment at the GWT, after which they will be thrown into the LOF where their mortal bodies will get to DIE AGAIN, but they will join the beast, FP and the devil and his angels to be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
That is clearly what the Bible SAYS. You can read it for yourself.
[QUOTE="Runningman, post: 4912947, member: 294652"I know what the Bible says, you don’t. For example you don’t even have one verse to prove ECT for all of the unsaved, nor can you prove that death doesn’t apply to the soul, but I can. You’re lost and confused.[/QUOTE]
I think you are very confused. You don't and I do have the evidence. You are deeply in denial.
I know that parakeets and parrots can be taught to "say the words of God" which you were bragging about.
I guess those who are hyper-sensitive and emotional might come to that conclusion, but my only point was that "saying the words of God" doesn't cut it.
One must understand His words, which you do not.
I think you are very confused. You don't and I do have the evidence. You are deeply in denial.
I know that parakeets and parrots can be taught to "say the words of God" which you were bragging about.
I guess those who are hyper-sensitive and emotional might come to that conclusion, but my only point was that "saying the words of God" doesn't cut it.
One must understand His words, which you do not.
FreeGrace2 said:
When in 1 Sam 2 does Samuel say there is a "second death"? Revelation uses that term, but where does Samuel?
And when did "abe to" mean "will"?? You guys keep repeating that false notion, but you can't prove that it is true.
So typical. You quote some verses and I ask where Samuel speaks of the second death, and you just ignore it, even though you quoted from 1 Sam 2 prove a point. But you can't show where Samuel even mentioned second death.
Why would you or anyone think that I would "have the power to control" how you respond??
In fact, when you ignore my questions, I will simply call you out on it. If you had the truth, you could easily answer every question.
Without a doubt.
And those who don't answer questions actually demonstrate that they don't have answers. Says alot.
When in 1 Sam 2 does Samuel say there is a "second death"? Revelation uses that term, but where does Samuel?
And when did "abe to" mean "will"?? You guys keep repeating that false notion, but you can't prove that it is true.
So typical. You quote some verses and I ask where Samuel speaks of the second death, and you just ignore it, even though you quoted from 1 Sam 2 prove a point. But you can't show where Samuel even mentioned second death.
Why would you or anyone think that I would "have the power to control" how you respond??
In fact, when you ignore my questions, I will simply call you out on it. If you had the truth, you could easily answer every question.
Without a doubt.
And those who don't answer questions actually demonstrate that they don't have answers. Says alot.
FreeGrace2 said:
Sure are. And you can't find ANY of them in my posts. But they are ALL OVER yours.
That's a challenge. Find one and prove me wrong. But of course you won't because you can't.
Sure are. And you can't find ANY of them in my posts. But they are ALL OVER yours.
That's a challenge. Find one and prove me wrong. But of course you won't because you can't.