BELIEFS ABOUT THE KJV

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Dino246 said:
Where does God promise that His words (plural) will be preserved?
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His Words(plural) are The Word(singular).


1 Peter 1:25 Context

22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

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Amanuensis said:
Then KJV is just one of many attempts to translate to English.
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That is a put down which is also false. Christians need to stick to the truth regardless of their prejudices.

The avowed goal of the King James translators (as noted in their Preface) was to make one English translation (out of many existing ones, and made directly from the Hebrew and Greek) which was OUTSTANDING. Did they achieve this goal? Absolutely.

For about 300 years (and in spite of the existence of the Geneva Bible and the Douay-Rheims translation) it was the KJB that became the sole English Bible throughout the English-speaking world (which included the British empire), and was regarded as the Word of God. And even unbelieving scholars of the English language praised this Bible for its quality, its diction, and its cadences. Indeed they claimed that the English language was molded by the KJB! Hollywood quoted exclusively from this Bible in its films, and even the Jewish Publication Society (JPS) originally used the OT translation of the KJB for its own publication, called the JPS Tanakh (1917). Here is what they said in their Preface "...We are, it is hardly needful to say, deeply grateful for the works of our non-Jewish predecessors, such as the Authorised Version with its admirable diction, which can never be surpassed..." That speaks for itself.

 
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Amanuensis said:
Then KJV is just one of many attempts to translate to English.

Nehemiah6 said:
That is a put down which is also false. Christians need to stick to the truth regardless of their prejudices.
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You lost me. How you claim can Amanuensis' statement to be a put down and false when you say

Nehemiah6 said:
The avowed goal of the King James translators (as noted in their Preface) was to make one English translation (out of many existing ones, and made directly from the Hebrew and Greek) which was OUTSTANDING. Did they achieve this goal? Absolutely.
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Beckie said:
Jewish NT ?
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No. The Masoretic Text is the Hebrew Text of the Old Testament. However, the Tanakh as only 24 books as compared to the 30 books of our Protestant Bibles. That is because many books were split into their component parts. For example the Minor Prophets are just one book, not 12 books.
 
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Dino246 said:
We have discussed this passage at length. I’m surprised that you try to use it to defend your statement. You still don’t know what that verse says.
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It's not about the poor...that's for sure...the "thou shall keep them" is concerning the words of God.
 
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Amanuensis said:
We have the inspired words of God in the copies in the original languages. Translating into English is just one of the many languages one can translate them into. Then KJV is just one of many attempts to translate to English.
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Where? In what copies? What do they say?
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
If there was no conspiracy, why would these people attack and denigrate the KJV in order to exalt their corrupt translations?

All they had to do is say "Although there is absolutely nothing wrong with the King James Bible, we wish to introduce a modern translation based on corrupt ancient manuscripts, so that you can compare the differences". That would be the honest truth, and hardly anyone would bother with these new bibles.
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God have mercy on poor king Jimmy. Such a screwed-up mess. :cry:
 
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Beckie said:
Do you believe every word in the KJB are God's Holy Words

John146 said:
Absolutely, without a doubt.
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Job_1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
Gen_3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

Gen_4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
Gen_14:21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself

Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
 
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Beckie said:
Do you believe every word in the KJB are God's Holy Words



Job_1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
Gen_3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

Gen_4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
Gen_14:21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself

Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
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??? Are you trying to say that because someone else is speaking, those words are not part of the word of truth?
 
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Beckie said:
You lost me. How you claim can Amanuensis' statement to be a put down and false...
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"Just one of many" is a put down and totally false. The historical evidence refutes such deception. Even the 19th century Revision Committee of the Church of England did not make such remarks.
 
oyster67

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I like KJV. I don't know enough about the others to say much, but I know that good men of God use versions other than KJV, without encountering major doctrinal problems due strictly to their version choice. As many KJVers have doctrinal misunderstandings as anyone else, it seems.
 
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6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Verse 7, where it says “Thou shalt keep them…”, is referring to the poor and needy. Just read the context.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
Every translation changes the language otherwise we would be all be reading Greek, Hebrew & Aramaic.
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The point of the translation is not because biblical Greek and Hebrew are archaic.

The point of the translation is to put Gods Word into the readers own language.

So the argument that a bible retains "archaic" language is EXTREMELY silly.
 
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John146 said:
??? Are you trying to say that because someone else is speaking, those words are not part of the word of truth?
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No i asked you a very direct question you failed to realize what was being asked.

Beckie said:
Do you believe every word in the KJB are God's Holy Words ?

John146 said:
Absolutely, without a doubt.
 
oyster67

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Runningman said:
6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Verse 7, where it says “Thou shalt keep them…”, is referring to the poor and needy. Just read the context.
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Psalms 12:7 Context

4Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us? 5For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him. 6The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. 8The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.

Hmmm..... could go either way on that one.

Still, many verses state that His Word abides forever, yes?

btw, How is that hairsplitting manual coming along? :giggle:
 
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Beckie said:
No i asked you a very direct question you failed to realize what was being asked.

Beckie said:
Do you believe every word in the KJB are God's Holy Words ?

John146 said:
Absolutely, without a doubt.
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I believe that every word of the KJV is the word of truth. Obviously, there are different people speaking even lies…but that’s part of the word of truth.
 
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