I dont blame you because it shows how you in contradiction, you condition salvation on mans act of faith, thats works !
Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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I dont blame you because it shows how you in contradiction, you condition salvation on mans act of faith, thats works !
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Hearing comes from having life, Life comes from regeneration, so one must be made alive spiritually to hear spiritually. Men must have and have been given ears to hear what the Spirit says, thats why its written Rev 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Prior to regeneration man is dead spiritually and has no ear to hear the Spirit of Truth.
So the very fact the Eph 1:13 says they heard the word of Truth proves they were spiritually alive, regenerated.
Hearing comes from having life, Life comes from regeneration, so one must be made alive spiritually to hear spiritually. Men must have and have been given ears to hear what the Spirit says, thats why its written Rev 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Prior to regeneration man is dead spiritually and has no ear to hear the Spirit of Truth.
So the very fact the Eph 1:13 says they heard the word of Truth proves they were spiritually alive, regenerated.
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Its simple, they are regenerated, or born of God, then they hear, then they are sealed, they will always believe forever now.
Its simple, they are regenerated, or born of God, then they hear, then they are sealed, they will always believe forever now.
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Again, Vs 13 explains why some during the Ministry of Christ did receive His words and believed on Him, they had been born of God, they were a very small remnant minority. Believing and Receiving are evidences of Life. You may as well say a new born babe performed activities of life prior to them being born, thats backwards. Even when a babe is still in the mothers womb, before it receives nourishment it must be already alive.
Again, Vs 13 explains why some during the Ministry of Christ did receive His words and believed on Him, they had been born of God, they were a very small remnant minority. Believing and Receiving are evidences of Life. You may as well say a new born babe performed activities of life prior to them being born, thats backwards. Even when a babe is still in the mothers womb, before it receives nourishment it must be already alive.
I dont know where you got that from, but Rom 1:18-32 apply only to the unbelieving . cursed, reprobate who Christ didn't die for and are abiding under the wrath of God. Vs 18 is key... so now you want me to believe that Romans 1:18-32 refers only to believers????
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18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
If Gods wrath is upon you, its a wrap, you already condemned and will not see life Jn 3:18,36
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned[cursed] already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
If the wrath of God abides on one , that means Christ didn't die for them and is not their propitiation or advocate with the Father, and unfortunately, He never will be. There is no wrath of God abiding on one sinner Christ died for hallelujah !
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Yes it does, a person Christ died for is Justified before God while being ungodly, hence God is Justifying the ungodly Rom 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
The word Justifirth here is not past tense, its a present tense participle, Hes Justifying the ungodly ! So if Justifying is in the present tense, so are the ungodly he is Justifying. The point is absolutely clear, God doesnt Justify men based upon their act of believing, or their Faith, since that would take them from the realm of being ungodly. Believing and Faith are Spiritual Fruit and not exercised by the ungodly.
Yes it does, a person Christ died for is Justified before God while being ungodly, hence God is Justifying the ungodly Rom 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
The word Justifirth here is not past tense, its a present tense participle, Hes Justifying the ungodly ! So if Justifying is in the present tense, so are the ungodly he is Justifying. The point is absolutely clear, God doesnt Justify men based upon their act of believing, or their Faith, since that would take them from the realm of being ungodly. Believing and Faith are Spiritual Fruit and not exercised by the ungodly.
Quite to the contrary, that passage applies strictly to them that will never become believers, but are now and will forever remain under the wrath of God. They are the vessels of wrath Paul points out later in this letter that are being fitted for destruction Rom 9:21-22
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21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Gods wrath is upon them now Rom 1:18
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
The word against is the greek prep epi and is also rendered upon or on 0ver 350 times, so Gods wrath is upon the men committing those sins. The same word epi Jesus says the wrath of God is upon some Jn 3:36
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Notice He declares these shall not see life, they cannot be saved, the wrath of God is upon them, thats why they cant believe and will never believe.
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Untrue, they are Justified while ungodly, not because of their sinful condition, but because of Christs righteousness imputed to them, and God not imputing their sins to them. So they are legally righteous, justified, based on Christ, and not upon their state of ungodliness. The same is true that they are reconciled to God by His Death, while they are ungodly enemies Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Now according to this verse, when were they reconciled to God ? What was their condition ?
Untrue, they are Justified while ungodly, not because of their sinful condition, but because of Christs righteousness imputed to them, and God not imputing their sins to them. So they are legally righteous, justified, based on Christ, and not upon their state of ungodliness. The same is true that they are reconciled to God by His Death, while they are ungodly enemies Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Now according to this verse, when were they reconciled to God ? What was their condition ?
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Wrong, scripture clearly states that men are reconciled to God, while they are enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
And if reconciled while enemies, then Justified !
Wrong, scripture clearly states that men are reconciled to God, while they are enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
And if reconciled while enemies, then Justified !
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Thats what Justification by Faith is. How does one have peace in their heart, mind without their peace with God being received by Faith Rom 5:1
Therefore being justified, by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 15:13
Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
I dont think you understand these matters at all.
Thats what Justification by Faith is. How does one have peace in their heart, mind without their peace with God being received by Faith Rom 5:1
Therefore being justified, by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 15:13
Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
I dont think you understand these matters at all.
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No its the truth of scripture. The only Justified ones are Gods Spiritual Israel, Elect Isa 45:12
In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
All these refer to the Justified world of the Elect !
No its the truth of scripture. The only Justified ones are Gods Spiritual Israel, Elect Isa 45:12
In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
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It clarifies your error, you claim that all human beings are given faith, thats only true on the natural creation level, and by that principle man is under the law of his Creator, like Adam, thats not Grace. So since your appeal is to an quality man has been given by creation, then like Adam, you are bound to keep the Law of creation, Faith/Love to God is part of that Law Matt 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
I would say you are foolish for putting yourself under law, obligation, to be Justified before God.
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It clarifies your error, you claim that all human beings are given faith, thats only true on the natural creation level, and by that principle man is under the law of his Creator, like Adam, thats not Grace. So since your appeal is to an quality man has been given by creation, then like Adam, you are bound to keep the Law of creation, Faith/Love to God is part of that Law Matt 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
I would say you are foolish for putting yourself under law, obligation, to be Justified before God.
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Yes, every one of those verses apply to the elect, and thats Gospel Truth. Its you who is guilty of manipulating scripture, for none of those scriptures state Jesus died for all mankind[individuals] without exception.
Yes, every one of those verses apply to the elect, and thats Gospel Truth. Its you who is guilty of manipulating scripture, for none of those scriptures state Jesus died for all mankind[individuals] without exception.
Heb 2:16 was written to jewish believers historically, yet it was written to spiritual people first and foremost, those who partook of the Heavenly Calling/holy brethren
Heb 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Paul called gentile believers holy brethren 1 Thess 5:27
I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.
That doesnt mean the epistle of 1 Thess can only be read by gentile believers, no, that same epistle can be read to jewish holy brethren, neither do they only apply to a certain ethnicity.
Furthermore the seed of Abraham Christ came to save, wasn't merely ethnic jews, but His Body the Church Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
There is no racial distinctions in the realm of Salvation in Christ. Jesus doesnt save a person because of their race or their sex, or any social consideration. So the seed of Abraham Christ came to lay hold of is His Church that belongs to Him Heb 2:16
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Thats His Church, they are One Flesh Eph 5:30-32
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Stop making race an issue in Salvation in Christ !
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Yeah, but not all nations of men from Adam are the seed of Abraham. God seperated the seed of Abraham from the other people of the world. Deut 7:6
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
Ps 147:19-20
19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.
20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the Lord.
God commands the seed of Jacob to seek Him Isa 45:18-19
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the Lord speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
The seed of jacob and the seed of Abraham are one and the same, but they do not include all mankind.
Yet in the Church, the Body of Christ, Spiritual seed of Abraham is composed of people from all different ethnic groups and social status.
Yeah, but not all nations of men from Adam are the seed of Abraham. God seperated the seed of Abraham from the other people of the world. Deut 7:6
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
Ps 147:19-20
19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.
20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the Lord.
God commands the seed of Jacob to seek Him Isa 45:18-19
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the Lord speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
The seed of jacob and the seed of Abraham are one and the same, but they do not include all mankind.
Yet in the Church, the Body of Christ, Spiritual seed of Abraham is composed of people from all different ethnic groups and social status.
Sure you not, since you believe that Justification is conditioned upon your human faith, which is work merit salvation !
Yep, in fact, you make anything a condition that must be done prior to God Justifying you, technically its law, the principle of law is do and then live. Grace is the opposite, Its Live then do !
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Like Jesus said, human faith is required under the Law Matt 23:23, since you make your appeal to human faith being a requirement for salvation/justification, you foolishly put yourself under law requirements.
Like Jesus said, human faith is required under the Law Matt 23:23, since you make your appeal to human faith being a requirement for salvation/justification, you foolishly put yourself under law requirements.
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it is, ask Christ Matt 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
it is, ask Christ Matt 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.