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He didn't speak evil of them because he was a Nazi party member, taking advantage of Jewish forced labor.
It is believed that he helped to save 1,200 Jews from concentration camps, though even with him they were still slaves.
Was it good in the end? Yes... They were likely to die otherwise and with him there was a kindness - but I'm not sure about classifying what he did as a ministry.
He worked from within the most evil system on earth, cooperating enough that he couldn't be charged with a crime. Did that take some measure of guts during that time? Yes. I give him that.
I will make the point of saying I've never read a book about him or watch a movie - but I have read a little about him.
It is believed that he helped to save 1,200 Jews from concentration camps, though even with him they were still slaves.
Was it good in the end? Yes... They were likely to die otherwise and with him there was a kindness - but I'm not sure about classifying what he did as a ministry.
He worked from within the most evil system on earth, cooperating enough that he couldn't be charged with a crime. Did that take some measure of guts during that time? Yes. I give him that.
I will make the point of saying I've never read a book about him or watch a movie - but I have read a little about him.
I was reading Acts 27 this morning and you can see all these characteristics in this story.
It was definitely a perilous time. (describes the shipwreck).
Why didn't they listen to Paul? They were lovers of themselves, covetous (trying to save money), boasters (they all had their own opinion which they thought was better), proud, etc.
So off they sail and the story describes a terrifying trip in the storm, we can assume that there was a lot of cursing and blaspheming going on in that ship and instead of being thankful that they had Paul who was hearing from God they were probably blaming God and cursing God (hence unthankful and unholy).
Later the sailors try to sneak off, why, they didn't have natural affection, all about saving themselves. Then the soldiers want to kill all the prisoners (so much for Paul advising them and encouraging them (truce breakers).
What happens when they do get to land. They accuse Paul of being a murderer after the snake bites him (false accusers, fierce, despisers of those that are good).
But does Paul call them evil? No, he says that the Lord has given everyone of them to him and not one will die. That is his reward. He starts out ostensibly "their prisoner" and in the end he is the shepherd and they are his sheep. He has been saved, so as through fire, and all those with him are his reward. Meanwhile all those covetous worldly people who had their hopes on the things in the ship lost everything.
Let's not lose sight of the reason we are on this ship. We are here to give our testimony to Caesar and to share the gospel so that others could be saved. Read verse 35, it looks like they all had the Lord's table together. At the very least it is reminiscent of the Psalm -- He prepares a table for me in the presence of my enemies. The people on the ship are not your enemies, they are your reward.
It was definitely a perilous time. (describes the shipwreck).
Why didn't they listen to Paul? They were lovers of themselves, covetous (trying to save money), boasters (they all had their own opinion which they thought was better), proud, etc.
So off they sail and the story describes a terrifying trip in the storm, we can assume that there was a lot of cursing and blaspheming going on in that ship and instead of being thankful that they had Paul who was hearing from God they were probably blaming God and cursing God (hence unthankful and unholy).
Later the sailors try to sneak off, why, they didn't have natural affection, all about saving themselves. Then the soldiers want to kill all the prisoners (so much for Paul advising them and encouraging them (truce breakers).
What happens when they do get to land. They accuse Paul of being a murderer after the snake bites him (false accusers, fierce, despisers of those that are good).
But does Paul call them evil? No, he says that the Lord has given everyone of them to him and not one will die. That is his reward. He starts out ostensibly "their prisoner" and in the end he is the shepherd and they are his sheep. He has been saved, so as through fire, and all those with him are his reward. Meanwhile all those covetous worldly people who had their hopes on the things in the ship lost everything.
Let's not lose sight of the reason we are on this ship. We are here to give our testimony to Caesar and to share the gospel so that others could be saved. Read verse 35, it looks like they all had the Lord's table together. At the very least it is reminiscent of the Psalm -- He prepares a table for me in the presence of my enemies. The people on the ship are not your enemies, they are your reward.
R
I disagree that we do not have enemies on this ship.
Jesus called out His enemies as did Paul when necessary.
It is not that we wish them harm nor do not pray for them, but they are to know that their actions are evil/sin and will not go unnoticed.
A person that does not understand his evil will never change.
They also mislead many if not pointed out.
I do not make it a habit of calling people names or putting labels on them, but evil people do exist and should be labeled as such so ALL will know.
Jesus called out His enemies as did Paul when necessary.
It is not that we wish them harm nor do not pray for them, but they are to know that their actions are evil/sin and will not go unnoticed.
A person that does not understand his evil will never change.
They also mislead many if not pointed out.
I do not make it a habit of calling people names or putting labels on them, but evil people do exist and should be labeled as such so ALL will know.
Who said public service is a thankless job
I have come to realize that many on this thread care very deeply about Liz Cheney, so I have some comforting news to anyone who was worried about her future. She has been able to sock away $36 million during her six years representing Wyoming.
Now no one is expecting her to live off the interest of that, but at least she has a little cushion till she can get another job.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...h-36-million-serving-just-6-5-years-congress/
I have come to realize that many on this thread care very deeply about Liz Cheney, so I have some comforting news to anyone who was worried about her future. She has been able to sock away $36 million during her six years representing Wyoming.
Now no one is expecting her to live off the interest of that, but at least she has a little cushion till she can get another job.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...h-36-million-serving-just-6-5-years-congress/
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You only support people who are not evil at all? Do you have an example of someone you support who is not evil?
And why do you think that she "she, and anyone who supports her, have no issue with murdering the unborn at any stage in pregnancy"??? That part sounds like you made it up or listened to someone who made it up.
And why do you think that she "she, and anyone who supports her, have no issue with murdering the unborn at any stage in pregnancy"??? That part sounds like you made it up or listened to someone who made it up.
Perhaps she could find a place in quality control in some weapons manufacturing plant 
36 million. hah! what is that compared to the Pelosi fortune or the Biden business interests?
Poor girl. She might have to cook or do her own laundry. and find someone to teach her how
36 million. hah! what is that compared to the Pelosi fortune or the Biden business interests?
Poor girl. She might have to cook or do her own laundry.
and find someone to teach her how
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You know, I'm being seriousness now, there is conflicting info regarding her net worth. Just found 6 million as her net worth and 176,000 as her salary? which seems unrealistic and another site said 250 K is her salary. if I could stand politics, I might consider running myself on a save the wild horses platform and terms for all
Either way, she has helped keep Trump in the spotlight by focusing her campaign on him and helping with the Jan 6 cinema drama
Either way, she has helped keep Trump in the spotlight by focusing her campaign on him and helping with the Jan 6 cinema drama
Luke 13:10-17 The FBI being humiliated in this raid is a fulfillment of prophecy
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...raid-mar-lago-fbi-likely-took-docs-hide-case/
10 On a Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues, 11 and a woman was there who had been crippled by a spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not straighten up at all. 12 When Jesus saw her, he called her forward and said to her, “Woman, you are set free from your infirmity.” 13 Then he put his hands on her, and immediately she straightened up and praised God.
Stand up straight. You are a fig tree of the Lord, you need to bear fruit. You need to stop being played by these evil rulers, so quick to go and kill and destroy some poor 3rd world country. You need to return to the land God gave you, the inheritance that God has given you. The criminality of the FBI is plain for all to see. Why does the apostate church bend over and do obeisance to these ones? You let them tell you what you can and cannot say because you are afraid they will revoke your tax exempt status.
Amos 2:4 This is what the Lord says: “For three sins of Judah, even for four, I will not relent. Because they have rejected the law of the Lord and have not kept his decrees, because they have been led astray by false gods, the gods their ancestors followed,
Yes, Amos enumerates six sins for why they will be judged. But he sums them all up in the seventh, you rejected the law of the Lord, you didn’t keep His decrees, and you were led away by false gods. Imagine some pastor being given a dream where he sees the coming judgement and wrath of God, the Lord tells him “brace yourself” and you interpret that to mean to move your investments to gold and to buy a gun! You don’t think you have been led astray by false gods? Stand up straight! “Brace yourself” means to set yourself to take up your cross and follow Jesus to Jerusalem. Turn over the tables of the money changers, and witness for Jesus.
14 Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath,
There is a contrast between those who are praying that the father’s name would be hallowed, versus those who want their own name to be respected. Keeping the Sabbath was all about revering God the creator. Releasing this woman from Satan’s bondage so she could stand up straight and praise God. It seems to me that only Satan would have an issue with that. Why are these pundits on TV so upset that parents are going to school board meetings, or that people are getting involved in elections, or that record numbers are voting? Pride, ego, jealousy of others, this makes them one with Satan. No wonder God swore “lest they should enter my rest”. You want to enter the sabbath rest? Then your testimony must be “that it is no longer I that live but Christ who lives in me”.
the synagogue leader said to the people, “There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath.”
Are we to believe that this woman for 18 years never came to the synagogue except on the Sabbath? Are we to believe the synagogue ruler was healing people who were bent over on the other days? It sounds so religious and pious, and yet in reality so hypocritical and mean. This is the leaven of the pharisees that Jesus warned us about. For two years we have heard about how dangerous the pandemic is, how we need to shut down businesses, wear masks, shut down churches, stay home all to protect lives. It sounds so pious and concerned about people’s lives. But we now have 2,000,000 people swarming the border because Biden has promised amnesty. Is that really safe during a pandemic? For four years we heard that walls don’t work yet they surrounded the capitol with a wall? For six months we heard why you can’t send in the National guard to quell the riots and looting, yet they filled Washington DC with 25,000 troops? We heard for weeks how right wing supporters were going to storm all 50 capitols and riot, yet the only riots we saw were from ANTIFA in Portland and Seattle which the media didn’t cover. It is as though we are now in opposite world. We were told that Biden was not against fracking and yet the very first day he cancels a pipeline which put 11,000 people out of work and he cancelled fracking on public lands and sure enough gas prices went through the roof.
15 The Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Doesn’t each of you on the Sabbath untie your ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water?
Wow! They were treating people worse than beasts of burden in the guise of obeying God’s decrees. They are demanding that the schools are closed and kids are taught remotely, however, they are also opening schools for illegal immigrants. They want proof that you don't have Covid before you can travel, however, if you are an illegal alien they don't require that. What hypocrites. Not only do people learn to hate them but they ascribe this cruel doctrine to God, teaching people to hate God. This is the leaven of the pharisees. In the same way the American people are taught to hate what is going on and then they put the blame on these “right wing supremacists”. Recently we learned that Liz Cheney amassed $36 million in net worth over six years as a senator. You better believe they take care of their own ox, but the American people can't afford the inflation and the only advice they have is to buy an electric car.
16 Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?”
So the synagogue leader is teaching that the law concerning the Sabbath requires that we treat a child of Abraham worse than we would treat an ox? If we are out to glorify our own names we will become abusive. We will distort and twist the Bible to our own purposes. We will become hypocrites. The Lord is teaching that the Sabbath was a day of rest, therefore it is appropriate to release this woman from being bound so that she could have rest. That is how she will keep the Sabbath. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, how is it that this pious religious leader couldn’t see that?
17 When he said this, all his opponents were humiliated, but the people were delighted with all the wonderful things he was doing.
Once they tried to oppose Him “it was on”. They accused Him of healing by Beelezebul, they were humiliated. They tried to get Him to show them a sign that He was a great prophet, to glorify Himself, and He says the only sign they will see is the sign of Jonah. He will be crucified and raised again. Not only so but just as Jonah protested in the streets of Nineveh for 40 days the protests in the streets would be the sign of His coming. The cross is where Satan was put to an open shame. Now they try to say that Jesus violated the law when in fact He fulfilled it, they were humiliated.
Malachi 2:7 “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the Lord Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth. 8 But you have turned from the way and by your teaching have caused many to stumble; you have violated the covenant with Levi,” says the Lord Almighty. 9 “So I have caused you to be despised and humiliated before all the people, because you have not followed my ways but have shown partiality in matters of the law.”
One key aspect of the day of the Lord that many gloss over is that religious leaders will be humiliated and despised before all the people. What does the "fake news" refer to but the humiliation of the "prophets". CNN has seen their ratings drop 70%, that is a fulfillment of this prophesy. Youtube has deleted millions of dislikes of Biden's videos, that is a fulfillment of this prophecy. This also is the Lord’s goal. In the meantime the people will be delighted with Jesus and His ministry. It is such a repulsive act when leaders and rulers make evil good and good evil. On the other hand it is such a delightful act when these same rulers are humiliated and God’s people are released from bondage. We are seeing this in our day. Congress and the media are despised. They are hypocritical.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...raid-mar-lago-fbi-likely-took-docs-hide-case/
10 On a Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues, 11 and a woman was there who had been crippled by a spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not straighten up at all. 12 When Jesus saw her, he called her forward and said to her, “Woman, you are set free from your infirmity.” 13 Then he put his hands on her, and immediately she straightened up and praised God.
Stand up straight. You are a fig tree of the Lord, you need to bear fruit. You need to stop being played by these evil rulers, so quick to go and kill and destroy some poor 3rd world country. You need to return to the land God gave you, the inheritance that God has given you. The criminality of the FBI is plain for all to see. Why does the apostate church bend over and do obeisance to these ones? You let them tell you what you can and cannot say because you are afraid they will revoke your tax exempt status.
Amos 2:4 This is what the Lord says: “For three sins of Judah, even for four, I will not relent. Because they have rejected the law of the Lord and have not kept his decrees, because they have been led astray by false gods, the gods their ancestors followed,
Yes, Amos enumerates six sins for why they will be judged. But he sums them all up in the seventh, you rejected the law of the Lord, you didn’t keep His decrees, and you were led away by false gods. Imagine some pastor being given a dream where he sees the coming judgement and wrath of God, the Lord tells him “brace yourself” and you interpret that to mean to move your investments to gold and to buy a gun! You don’t think you have been led astray by false gods? Stand up straight! “Brace yourself” means to set yourself to take up your cross and follow Jesus to Jerusalem. Turn over the tables of the money changers, and witness for Jesus.
14 Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath,
There is a contrast between those who are praying that the father’s name would be hallowed, versus those who want their own name to be respected. Keeping the Sabbath was all about revering God the creator. Releasing this woman from Satan’s bondage so she could stand up straight and praise God. It seems to me that only Satan would have an issue with that. Why are these pundits on TV so upset that parents are going to school board meetings, or that people are getting involved in elections, or that record numbers are voting? Pride, ego, jealousy of others, this makes them one with Satan. No wonder God swore “lest they should enter my rest”. You want to enter the sabbath rest? Then your testimony must be “that it is no longer I that live but Christ who lives in me”.
the synagogue leader said to the people, “There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath.”
Are we to believe that this woman for 18 years never came to the synagogue except on the Sabbath? Are we to believe the synagogue ruler was healing people who were bent over on the other days? It sounds so religious and pious, and yet in reality so hypocritical and mean. This is the leaven of the pharisees that Jesus warned us about. For two years we have heard about how dangerous the pandemic is, how we need to shut down businesses, wear masks, shut down churches, stay home all to protect lives. It sounds so pious and concerned about people’s lives. But we now have 2,000,000 people swarming the border because Biden has promised amnesty. Is that really safe during a pandemic? For four years we heard that walls don’t work yet they surrounded the capitol with a wall? For six months we heard why you can’t send in the National guard to quell the riots and looting, yet they filled Washington DC with 25,000 troops? We heard for weeks how right wing supporters were going to storm all 50 capitols and riot, yet the only riots we saw were from ANTIFA in Portland and Seattle which the media didn’t cover. It is as though we are now in opposite world. We were told that Biden was not against fracking and yet the very first day he cancels a pipeline which put 11,000 people out of work and he cancelled fracking on public lands and sure enough gas prices went through the roof.
15 The Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Doesn’t each of you on the Sabbath untie your ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water?
Wow! They were treating people worse than beasts of burden in the guise of obeying God’s decrees. They are demanding that the schools are closed and kids are taught remotely, however, they are also opening schools for illegal immigrants. They want proof that you don't have Covid before you can travel, however, if you are an illegal alien they don't require that. What hypocrites. Not only do people learn to hate them but they ascribe this cruel doctrine to God, teaching people to hate God. This is the leaven of the pharisees. In the same way the American people are taught to hate what is going on and then they put the blame on these “right wing supremacists”. Recently we learned that Liz Cheney amassed $36 million in net worth over six years as a senator. You better believe they take care of their own ox, but the American people can't afford the inflation and the only advice they have is to buy an electric car.
16 Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?”
So the synagogue leader is teaching that the law concerning the Sabbath requires that we treat a child of Abraham worse than we would treat an ox? If we are out to glorify our own names we will become abusive. We will distort and twist the Bible to our own purposes. We will become hypocrites. The Lord is teaching that the Sabbath was a day of rest, therefore it is appropriate to release this woman from being bound so that she could have rest. That is how she will keep the Sabbath. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, how is it that this pious religious leader couldn’t see that?
17 When he said this, all his opponents were humiliated, but the people were delighted with all the wonderful things he was doing.
Once they tried to oppose Him “it was on”. They accused Him of healing by Beelezebul, they were humiliated. They tried to get Him to show them a sign that He was a great prophet, to glorify Himself, and He says the only sign they will see is the sign of Jonah. He will be crucified and raised again. Not only so but just as Jonah protested in the streets of Nineveh for 40 days the protests in the streets would be the sign of His coming. The cross is where Satan was put to an open shame. Now they try to say that Jesus violated the law when in fact He fulfilled it, they were humiliated.
Malachi 2:7 “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the Lord Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth. 8 But you have turned from the way and by your teaching have caused many to stumble; you have violated the covenant with Levi,” says the Lord Almighty. 9 “So I have caused you to be despised and humiliated before all the people, because you have not followed my ways but have shown partiality in matters of the law.”
One key aspect of the day of the Lord that many gloss over is that religious leaders will be humiliated and despised before all the people. What does the "fake news" refer to but the humiliation of the "prophets". CNN has seen their ratings drop 70%, that is a fulfillment of this prophesy. Youtube has deleted millions of dislikes of Biden's videos, that is a fulfillment of this prophecy. This also is the Lord’s goal. In the meantime the people will be delighted with Jesus and His ministry. It is such a repulsive act when leaders and rulers make evil good and good evil. On the other hand it is such a delightful act when these same rulers are humiliated and God’s people are released from bondage. We are seeing this in our day. Congress and the media are despised. They are hypocritical.
K
Why would I support someone who is evil? What sense does that make?
And why do you think that she "she, and anyone who supports her, have no issue with murdering the unborn at any stage in pregnancy"??? That part sounds like you made it up or listened to someone who made it up.[/QUOTE]
Well you can look for yourself you know. 100% rating with Planned Parenthood, I'd say that's agreement with their agenda, wouldn't you? Her own church refuses her communion.
And why do you think that she "she, and anyone who supports her, have no issue with murdering the unborn at any stage in pregnancy"??? That part sounds like you made it up or listened to someone who made it up.[/QUOTE]
Well you can look for yourself you know. 100% rating with Planned Parenthood, I'd say that's agreement with their agenda, wouldn't you? Her own church refuses her communion.
You dodged my question. I think it's because you can't give me an example of someone you support in politics who is not evil.
Oh, so you put your faith in the Roman Catholic Church - I see - you follow the Pope also as your spiritual Father.
But show me where Pelosi has been charged with murdering anyone at all, let alone convicted.
Oh, so you put your faith in the Roman Catholic Church - I see - you follow the Pope also as your spiritual Father.
But show me where Pelosi has been charged with murdering anyone at all, let alone convicted.