Should you say, 'Homosexuality is a Sin.'

[presidente]

I've heard preachers preach on the sin of homosexuality. Some might even say homosexuals are going to Hell, gays are going to Hell, lesbians are going to Hell, etc.

When I grew up, the way 'homosexual', 'gay', etc. was used was to refer to people who did 'gay stuff'-- meaning sexual acts. So I thought.

It turns out based on the original meaning of the word and the way it is used in academia, a homosexual is someone attracted to the same sex. Now suppose you are a young person and you've never done any 'gay stuff', but you found yourself attracted to the same sex. Then you go to church, and you hear someone preach that if you have same-sex attraction, you are a sinner and you are going to Hell.

The sins that homosexuals commit that are related to homosexuality are things like actually performing same-sex sexual acts, and looking with lust. Having attraction for the same sex is a bad thing to have to deal with. But can't someone who struggles with this still be a Christian and just resist temptation?

Many of us men are attracted to beautiful women. Especially when we are/were young, a beautiful scantily clad woman might be a bit of an eye magnet for the flesh, but you can choose to avert your eyes and discipline your mind and not sin. There are ads on magazines and various other type of media. There is a difference between what we find attractive and the acts we commit. If a woman is attractive to a man, that doesn't mean he has committed fornication or adultery with her or that he has looked at her with lust.

And if a man struggles with same-sex attraction, that doesn't mean he constantly goes around sinning. At least with the Gen-Y and Gen-Z generations, and probably most of X now, and in academia, and certainly with LGBTI folks, in the US, 'gay', 'homosexual', and 'lesbian' refer to 'orientation'-- not what they do with their sex lives. Some Fundamentalists preachers who say 'Homosexuals are going to Hell' do no realize that what they are saying from the perspective of the listener is if you find yourself attracted to the same sex, even if you don't act on it, you are going to Hell. It sounds rather hopeless.

We do need to combat the ideas associated with 'orientation' that these types of inclinations or lusts are permanent problems. LBGT folks think of their sexual inclinations and propensities to be attracted as a big part of their identity. But the Bible tells Christians, to "reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:11.)

Christian men who are attracted to women do not introduce themselves as "I am a Christian who has the propensity to fornicate with women", and so Christian men who struggle with same-sex attraction should not say, "I am a gay Christian." We should reckon ourselves dead to sin, and alive to God, and "make no provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof."

Some people with same-sex attraction who become Christians may have to constantly struggle against it and overcome it for years, like some men have to tame their eyes. Others may be delivered from the temptation and not worry about it. Marriage between a man and a woman is a Biblical remedy for decreasing the propensity to be tempted by sexual lust.

 

[Dirtman]

We all struggle with some kind of sin, this does not mean we stop calling those things sin. Adultery is sin if a person struggles against pornography we dont take this lightly because it is this body of sin and death being ever mindful that it is sin, keeps folks mindful to be in a state of repentance.
Its my opinion that we too readily forget our sin that it is sin and that it does indeed damn us. That we have to be dead to it.

 

[CS1]

I've heard preachers preach on the sin of homosexuality. Some might even say homosexuals are going to Hell, gays are going to Hell, lesbians are going to Hell, etc.

When I grew up, the way 'homosexual', 'gay', etc. was used was to refer to people who did 'gay stuff'-- meaning sexual acts. So I thought.

It turns out based on the original meaning of the word and the way it is used in academia, a homosexual is someone attracted to the same sex. Now suppose you are a young person and you've never done any 'gay stuff', but you found yourself attracted to the same sex. Then you go to church, and you hear someone preach that if you have same-sex attraction, you are a sinner and you are going to Hell.

The sins that homosexuals commit that are related to homosexuality are things like actually performing same-sex sexual acts, and looking with lust. Having attraction for the same sex is a bad thing to have to deal with. But can't someone who struggles with this still be a Christian and just resist temptation?

Many of us men are attracted to beautiful women. Especially when we are/were young, a beautiful scantily clad woman might be a bit of an eye magnet for the flesh, but you can choose to avert your eyes and discipline your mind and not sin. There are ads on magazines and various other type of media. There is a difference between what we find attractive and the acts we commit. If a woman is attractive to a man, that doesn't mean he has committed fornication or adultery with her or that he has looked at her with lust.

And if a man struggles with same-sex attraction, that doesn't mean he constantly goes around sinning. At least with the Gen-Y and Gen-Z generations, and probably most of X now, and in academia, and certainly with LGBTI folks, in the US, 'gay', 'homosexual', and 'lesbian' refer to 'orientation'-- not what they do with their sex lives. Some Fundamentalists preachers who say 'Homosexuals are going to Hell' do no realize that what they are saying from the perspective of the listener is if you find yourself attracted to the same sex, even if you don't act on it, you are going to Hell. It sounds rather hopeless.

We do need to combat the ideas associated with 'orientation' that these types of inclinations or lusts are permanent problems. LBGT folks think of their sexual inclinations and propensities to be attracted as a big part of their identity. But the Bible tells Christians, to "reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:11.)

Christian men who are attracted to women do not introduce themselves as "I am a Christian who has the propensity to fornicate with women", and so Christian men who struggle with same-sex attraction should not say, "I am a gay Christian." We should reckon ourselves dead to sin, and alive to God, and "make no provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof."

Some people with same-sex attraction who become Christians may have to constantly struggle against it and overcome it for years, like some men have to tame their eyes. Others may be delivered from the temptation and not worry about it. Marriage between a man and a woman is a Biblical remedy for decreasing the propensity to be tempted by sexual lust.

one thing that stands out is truth or the lack, therefore ( not directed to you)


1. "same-sex attraction" is a term that is PC and differs from the word of God which calls it lust and perversion
2. slacker/sluggard is not free-spirited.
3. whoremonger are not sowing their Oats
4. drunkards are not blowing off steam

it is all sin, and God is offended by it. those who are attracted to the same sex have a perverted heart, and that heart offends God and if they don't repent YES hell will be their eternal home.

 

[Bluesproverb]

I've heard preachers preach on the sin of homosexuality. Some might even say homosexuals are going to Hell, gays are going to Hell, lesbians are going to Hell, etc.

When I grew up, the way 'homosexual', 'gay', etc. was used was to refer to people who did 'gay stuff'-- meaning sexual acts. So I thought.

It turns out based on the original meaning of the word and the way it is used in academia, a homosexual is someone attracted to the same sex. Now suppose you are a young person and you've never done any 'gay stuff', but you found yourself attracted to the same sex. Then you go to church, and you hear someone preach that if you have same-sex attraction, you are a sinner and you are going to Hell.

The sins that homosexuals commit that are related to homosexuality are things like actually performing same-sex sexual acts, and looking with lust. Having attraction for the same sex is a bad thing to have to deal with. But can't someone who struggles with this still be a Christian and just resist temptation?

Many of us men are attracted to beautiful women. Especially when we are/were young, a beautiful scantily clad woman might be a bit of an eye magnet for the flesh, but you can choose to avert your eyes and discipline your mind and not sin. There are ads on magazines and various other type of media. There is a difference between what we find attractive and the acts we commit. If a woman is attractive to a man, that doesn't mean he has committed fornication or adultery with her or that he has looked at her with lust.

And if a man struggles with same-sex attraction, that doesn't mean he constantly goes around sinning. At least with the Gen-Y and Gen-Z generations, and probably most of X now, and in academia, and certainly with LGBTI folks, in the US, 'gay', 'homosexual', and 'lesbian' refer to 'orientation'-- not what they do with their sex lives. Some Fundamentalists preachers who say 'Homosexuals are going to Hell' do no realize that what they are saying from the perspective of the listener is if you find yourself attracted to the same sex, even if you don't act on it, you are going to Hell. It sounds rather hopeless.

We do need to combat the ideas associated with 'orientation' that these types of inclinations or lusts are permanent problems. LBGT folks think of their sexual inclinations and propensities to be attracted as a big part of their identity. But the Bible tells Christians, to "reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:11.)

Christian men who are attracted to women do not introduce themselves as "I am a Christian who has the propensity to fornicate with women", and so Christian men who struggle with same-sex attraction should not say, "I am a gay Christian." We should reckon ourselves dead to sin, and alive to God, and "make no provision for the flesh to fulfill the lusts thereof."

Some people with same-sex attraction who become Christians may have to constantly struggle against it and overcome it for years, like some men have to tame their eyes. Others may be delivered from the temptation and not worry about it. Marriage between a man and a woman is a Biblical remedy for decreasing the propensity to be tempted by sexual lust.

TV pastor Humanist Pro$perity go$pel speaker Joel Osteen is famous for not preaching directly against sins of any kind. Nor does he speak of the true Gospel. Sin,Repentance, Baptism.
At the end of his show he says if a viewer repeats this statement he made up they've accepted Christ. Then advises viewers get into a Bible believing church. [Unlike his own. His dad taught the same way.]

Sadly, there can be actual pastors who are more focused on not ''offending'' parishoners, rather than speaking the truth.

 

[presidente]

TV pastor Humanist Pro$perity go$pel speaker Joel Osteen is famous for not preaching directly against sins of any kind. Nor does he speak of the true Gospel. Sin,Repentance, Baptism.
At the end of his show he says if a viewer repeats this statement he made up they've accepted Christ. Then advises viewers get into a Bible believing church. [Unlike his own. His dad taught the same way.]

Sadly, there can be actual pastors who are more focused on not ''offending'' parishoners, rather than speaking the truth.

I don't see how my post could have triggered a comment on Joel Osteen.

 

[presidente]

it is all sin, and God is offended by it. those who are attracted to the same sex have a perverted heart, and that heart offends God and if they don't repent YES hell will be their eternal home.

What would you say to a brand new believer who repents and wonders if he is going to Hell because he has the propensity to be attracted to a man. He's not looking at porn. He tries not to ogle or have gay fantasies. It's just that like a man can find a woman attractive, he could find a man attractive. Would you tell him that he is on the way to Hell? What advice would you give him, so that he doesn't go to Hell? If he tries really hard to repent (grunting like someone lifting weights and saying "I repent") but still finds some men attractive, do you think he will go to Hell?

From Romans 1 same-sex lust came into mankind through idolatry and being given over to various lusts. But for the individual who has experienced that, and it doesn't go away, are you saying he is condemned. Again, I am not talking about yielding to lust, but the propensity to be tempted in that way.

I cannot really relate to that. I cannot tell if a guy is good looking. There isn't anything appealing about a man in that way to me. I think a lot of men feel that way. But many of us can relate to the idea of a woman being pretty, being attractive, and there is the possibility to be tempted to stare, ogle or even worse. At least many of us could be _tempted_ in that area, if a man (or tree or dog, or whatever) is not an area of temptation. From that perspective we can relate.

Do you think it is a sin to see a woman and think she is pretty or attractive if she is not your own wife?

 

[Clayman]

What would you say to a brand new believer who repents and wonders if he is going to Hell because he has the propensity to be attracted to a man. He's not looking at porn. He tries not to ogle or have gay fantasies. It's just that like a man can find a woman attractive, he could find a man attractive. Would you tell him that he is on the way to Hell? What advice would you give him, so that he doesn't go to Hell? If he tries really hard to repent (grunting like someone lifting weights and saying "I repent") but still finds some men attractive, do you think he will go to Hell?

From Romans 1 same-sex lust came into mankind through idolatry and being given over to various lusts. But for the individual who has experienced that, and it doesn't go away, are you saying he is condemned. Again, I am not talking about yielding to lust, but the propensity to be tempted in that way.

I cannot really relate to that. I cannot tell if a guy is good looking. There isn't anything appealing about a man in that way to me. I think a lot of men feel that way. But many of us can relate to the idea of a woman being pretty, being attractive, and there is the possibility to be tempted to stare, ogle or even worse. At least many of us could be _tempted_ in that area, if a man (or tree or dog, or whatever) is not an area of temptation. From that perspective we can relate.

Do you think it is a sin to see a woman and think she is pretty or attractive if she is not your own wife?

I think its important to highlight it as sin, its a more insidious sin, by that I mean it causes more guilt and shame and has bigger side effects, If the sin is highlighted and out in the light a Christian can easily overcome it, as one grows in Christ they more and more become Christ minded, so what offends God offends us and we look at the world like He does.

What Im saying is the idea of getting something for nothing may seem good to a new christian but it doesnt take long before one starts to see stealing as an abhorrent thing to do. Homosexuality comes with bigger problems to overcome but they can be overcome.

 

[Magenta]

Here is a very extensive list of abominations unto the LORD:

List Of All Abominations In The Bible (bestofchristianity.com)

 

[Magenta]

Proverbs 6:16-19 plus 12

 

[Nehemiah6]

But can't someone who struggles with this still be a Christian and just resist temptation?

What exactly is your point? All sinners -- including homosexuals -- are on their way to Hell. Until and unless they obey the Gospel and are saved by grace. So if a sexual pervert gets saved, he or she repents of their sins and turns away from them. Then the issue of "struggle" does not even arise. The Bible says "Sin shall NOT have dominion over you".

The very serious problem which the Western world is facing today -- particularly very young children and teenagers -- is the evil LBGTQ agenda to convert everyone into either a homosexual or a transgender person. They want a drag queen messing up kids in every Kindergarten. This is purely demonic evil, and should be called out and preached against.

 

[Bluesproverb]

I don't see how my post could have triggered a comment on Joel Osteen.

Let me assist your understanding. Osteen doesn't speak to or against the sin of homosexuality either. 😊📖🕊️
I hope that helps your understanding.💕🕊️

 

[Nehemiah6]

I think its important to highlight it as sin, its a more insidious sin...

How about plain old WICKEDNESS?

 

[Bluesproverb]

What exactly is your point? All sinners -- including homosexuals -- are on their way to Hell. Until and unless they obey the Gospel and are saved by grace. So if a sexual pervert gets saved, he or she repents of their sins and turns away from them. Then the issue of "struggle" does not even arise. The Bible says "Sin shall NOT have dominion over you".

The very serious problem which the Western world is facing today -- particularly very young children and teenagers -- is the evil LBGTQ agenda to convert everyone into either a homosexual or a transgender person. They want a drag queen messing up kids in every Kindergarten. This is purely demonic evil, and should be called out and preached against.

GLSEN is just such a recruiting group allowed in public schools.
They have a day of silence program some schools have adopted.

All the more reason for homeschooling.

There's a problem in the church when pastors become PC in the pulpit.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

The local lesbian pastorette 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩 at the local main street church calls it "an alternative lifestyle."


And this guy says he's pregnant.

😄
Thanks for the link Blues.
I had no idea this was posted until now.
I think this is fitting.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Is what the Bible calls Sodomy a temptation that's common?
Do any of you guys see a male model on the package of underwear when shopping and lust after that?

 

[Magenta]

1 John 1:8-10~ If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the Truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His Word is not in us.

 

[blueluna5]

Society says homosexuality is something an individual is born with when asking if it's that or a choice. The reason is because then the individual is not responsible for their behavior. It can't be a sin if they're born with it. However, identical twins are not both gay. So the DNA is not responsible. You could say they're prone to the behavior like alcoholism.

I wouldn't lean too far right or left with this. A lot of Christians are angry bc the LGBTQ+ movement has taken over and are actually taking away rights of citizens now with their propaganda and redefining words, etc. It makes a lot of people angry, rightfully so. The pastor you were listening to is only human so he's probably going by his emotions when he says "they go to h***" particularly if they are only being tempted at the time. That's a bold statement for anyone to make. That said, God calls homosexuality a sin of course. More than that really if we're being truthful.

On the flip side there are people trying to change from their sin of homosexuality. There's a lot of anger from people even in that bc going from men to women cause a lot of diseases that then go to the heterosexual community or even infants with aids. So there's really no easy solution and people will judge no matter what. It's a terrible thing to go through. The people I know who are transgender and homosexual had a terrible upbringing. No parents or mother was a prostitute for the one. I guess you could say that about anything but it does make you wonder, if I was raised like that maybe I would be worse or even a murderer. While this isn't always the case. It is very common for there to be childhood abuse in the gay community, particularly if a boy is raped by a man. That also leads to pedophiles.... which is often used as the + in the LGBTQ movement if you didn't know. There's a lot they don't even agree on and it's creating a lot of pain overall.

 

[Bluesproverb]

The local lesbian pastorette 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩 at the local main street church calls it "an alternative lifestyle."


And this guy says he's pregnant.

😄
Thanks for the link Blues.
I had no idea this was posted until now.
I think this is fitting.

There's a local church that posts a sign in their front yard informing the public they are a sanctuary church for illegals.

Above the sign on the left side of their front double doors is a giant rainbow flag.

😲

Is what the Bible calls Sodomy a temptation that's common?
Do any of you guys see a male model on the package of underwear when shopping and lust after that?

Um, no. Rather, I think to myself, why am I here buying these for him again? When hubby could make the trip himself.

Get him back. Honey? Here's the shopping list for Walmart. Oh, stop and grab me a few pairs of thongs while you're at it. Any color is fine.

🤣
[just keep the receipt 'cause I don't wear thongs.😜😁]

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

There's a local church that posts a sign in their front yard informing the public they are a sanctuary church for illegals.

Above the sign on the left side of their front double doors is a giant rainbow flag.

😲

Um, no. Rather, I think to myself, why am I here buying these for him again? When hubby could make the trip himself.

Get him back. Honey? Here's the shopping list for Walmart. Oh, stop and grab me a few pairs of thongs while you're at it. Any color is fine.

🤣
[just keep the receipt 'cause I don't wear thongs.😜😁]

😄

The vet I worked for had 3 ladies working for him. Guess who got chosen to go out to buy feminine hygiene products that we used for ear crops on dobies?
Yup. The one guy in the office.
That was back before it was "cool" and "brave" to be a guy who could chest feed and give birth. ,😄

Don't want to be cool or brave.

 

[Magenta]

It can't be a sin if they're born with it.

I am not sure how anyone could successfully argue this since we are all born with the
sin nature Can it really be an argument when the natural man is enmity to God?