One of the best videos on tongues I've seen
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It's the same old bad hermeneutics right out of the gate.
Wind happened once. Flames happened once. It was not seen each time someone spoke in tongues after that. Therefore most agree it was not to be taken as normative.
Foreigners hearing in their own language happened only once. It did not happen any of the other times someone spoke in tongues which means it was not normative.
In all the other cases no one understood. Paul after 20 years of speaking in tongues still did not understand.
All of these repeated cases are to be taken as normative. See how easy that was to understand?
To learn more, Read Acts 2, 5, 8,9,10,11,19 and 1 Cor 12-14 Read while thinking "what if it is real, and for today?" This will give you the ability to notice some things in the text that you may have never noticed.
Have fun. God is so good.
Wind happened once. Flames happened once. It was not seen each time someone spoke in tongues after that. Therefore most agree it was not to be taken as normative.
Foreigners hearing in their own language happened only once. It did not happen any of the other times someone spoke in tongues which means it was not normative.
In all the other cases no one understood. Paul after 20 years of speaking in tongues still did not understand.
All of these repeated cases are to be taken as normative. See how easy that was to understand?
To learn more, Read Acts 2, 5, 8,9,10,11,19 and 1 Cor 12-14 Read while thinking "what if it is real, and for today?" This will give you the ability to notice some things in the text that you may have never noticed.
Have fun. God is so good.
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This guy in the video said that Paul spoke in tongues more than them all because he went to other nations and had to preach in their language.
But Paul said when he spoke in tongues his understanding was unfruitful.
He literally believes Paul preached the Gospel in tongues when he went to other nations.
I don't think any serious bible scholar teaches that. This guy is way out of his lane. Just making things up. But it gets worse...
Listen to what this youtube teacher wannabe said at about 17:40 timeline, about 1 Cor 14:14 He says that praying in the Spirit does not mean tongues.
He just beligerantly says that praying in the Spirit here does not mean praying in tongues and quickly moves on. Of course. This is really embarrassing.
And it is really embarrassing for you to think it was a good presentation, This guy should not be allowed to teach due to intellectual dishonesty. He knows Paul meant tongues here.
13Therefore the person who speaks in a tongue should pray that he can interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirita prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.b 15What then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with my understanding. I will sing praise with the spirit, and I will also sing praise with my understanding.
If anyone is going to say that Paul did not mean tongues here I have to just hand them a good book like F.F. Bruce commentary on Acts and move one. They are too ignorant to have a discussion with. This is not even a question among intellectually honest Greek Scholars.
But Paul said when he spoke in tongues his understanding was unfruitful.
He literally believes Paul preached the Gospel in tongues when he went to other nations.
I don't think any serious bible scholar teaches that. This guy is way out of his lane. Just making things up. But it gets worse...
Listen to what this youtube teacher wannabe said at about 17:40 timeline, about 1 Cor 14:14 He says that praying in the Spirit does not mean tongues.
He just beligerantly says that praying in the Spirit here does not mean praying in tongues and quickly moves on. Of course. This is really embarrassing.
And it is really embarrassing for you to think it was a good presentation, This guy should not be allowed to teach due to intellectual dishonesty. He knows Paul meant tongues here.
13Therefore the person who speaks in a tongue should pray that he can interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirita prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.b 15What then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with my understanding. I will sing praise with the spirit, and I will also sing praise with my understanding.
If anyone is going to say that Paul did not mean tongues here I have to just hand them a good book like F.F. Bruce commentary on Acts and move one. They are too ignorant to have a discussion with. This is not even a question among intellectually honest Greek Scholars.
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Brother, i am enjoying our dialogue, and YES = You spoke 100% Truth on two accounts here:
a.) God confounded the languages of men to prevent their destruction.
b.) Genesis account of 'Tower of Babel confusion' and the Day of Pentecost speaking in tongues have connection/meaning.
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c.) It is always BEST to trust the Scripture and the Holy Spirit = John ch17 , Proverbs 30:5-6, 2 Peter 1:16-21 , Revelation 22:18-19
Peace to you Brother
a.) God confounded the languages of men to prevent their destruction.
b.) Genesis account of 'Tower of Babel confusion' and the Day of Pentecost speaking in tongues have connection/meaning.
AND
c.) It is always BEST to trust the Scripture and the Holy Spirit = John ch17 , Proverbs 30:5-6, 2 Peter 1:16-21 , Revelation 22:18-19
Peace to you Brother
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When the Holy Spirit entered into me, everything turned to Light, and all appeared different, new. I undersstood the message, very simple, "Everything will be just fine!" There were no words but I understood perfectly..
Reading Isaiah 9:6, i know that it was Jesus speaking to me, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. From th Word I believe this was the language of angles, at leasst the Angels of God. No words, simply understanding..
Reading Isaiah 9:6, i know that it was Jesus speaking to me, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. From th Word I believe this was the language of angles, at leasst the Angels of God. No words, simply understanding..
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It actually starts at 8:43, maybe just an oversight.
What Paul says is an exaggerated hypothetical. This is clear form the next verse, 1 Corinthians 13:2: "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge,"
Did Paul understand all mysteries and all knowledge? The answer is obviously no. "For we know in part and we prophesy in part." 1 Corinthians 13:9
We also know he's exaggerating because he says the "tongues of angels." The gift of tongues isn't an angelic prayer language; it's unknown human languages. Why would Paul use the example of "tongues of angels" unless he's exaggerating?
What Paul says is an exaggerated hypothetical. This is clear form the next verse, 1 Corinthians 13:2: "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge,"
Did Paul understand all mysteries and all knowledge? The answer is obviously no. "For we know in part and we prophesy in part." 1 Corinthians 13:9
We also know he's exaggerating because he says the "tongues of angels." The gift of tongues isn't an angelic prayer language; it's unknown human languages. Why would Paul use the example of "tongues of angels" unless he's exaggerating?
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Okay, let's start from the beginning.
Point 1: Tongues are unknown human languages. Some say the gift of tongues is the ability to hear others speaking in their own native language. For example, they will say on the day of Pentecost the people were speaking an unknown angelic language but all the people heard their own language.
There are a couple of problems with this view: 1) People who hold this view also say tongues is an angelic prayer language understood only by God. If that's the case, how then did all the people on the day of Pentecost hear and understand? 2) We know tongues is the ability to speak unknown languages (not hear) from Acts 2:11: "we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." You never hear anyone these days say "I have the gift to hear in other tongues."
Even Charles F. Parham, one of the founding fathers of Pentecostalism, understood that tongues was the ability to speak and preach in unknown human languages. When he put it to the test however, he quickly realized none of his missionaries actually had the gift.
Point 1: Tongues are unknown human languages. Some say the gift of tongues is the ability to hear others speaking in their own native language. For example, they will say on the day of Pentecost the people were speaking an unknown angelic language but all the people heard their own language.
There are a couple of problems with this view: 1) People who hold this view also say tongues is an angelic prayer language understood only by God. If that's the case, how then did all the people on the day of Pentecost hear and understand? 2) We know tongues is the ability to speak unknown languages (not hear) from Acts 2:11: "we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." You never hear anyone these days say "I have the gift to hear in other tongues."
Even Charles F. Parham, one of the founding fathers of Pentecostalism, understood that tongues was the ability to speak and preach in unknown human languages. When he put it to the test however, he quickly realized none of his missionaries actually had the gift.
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Dear Brother AD,
a.) God is a SPIRIT
b.) the angels are spirit
c.) the Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT
d.) Born-Again by the SPIRIT
e.) the Gift of Tongues given by the SPIRIT
Leads us to this Conclusion of Truth by the HOLY SPIRIT = 1 Corinthians 14:1
"Earnestly pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy.
For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God.
Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit."
Peace and Rest of God only thru the SPIRIT of GOD
a.) God is a SPIRIT
b.) the angels are spirit
c.) the Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT
d.) Born-Again by the SPIRIT
e.) the Gift of Tongues given by the SPIRIT
Leads us to this Conclusion of Truth by the HOLY SPIRIT = 1 Corinthians 14:1
"Earnestly pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy.
For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God.
Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit."
Peace and Rest of God only thru the SPIRIT of GOD
Point 2: On the day of Pentecost, those who spoke in tongues were doing just that: speaking and declaring; they weren't praying. Tongues is a gift that was given as a sign to unbelievers and to proclaim the greatness of God, not a prayer language.
". . . we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God." Acts 2:11
And,
"Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe." 1 Corinthians 14:22
". . . we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God." Acts 2:11
And,
"Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe." 1 Corinthians 14:22
Titus 3-9
Berean Study Bible
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, arguments, and quarrels about the law, because these things are pointless and worthless.
Berean Study Bible
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, arguments, and quarrels about the law, because these things are pointless and worthless.
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just to expand upon your thoughts here from what i have witnessed of RA.
I don't think it is coincidence at all, but purposed by God, that the Apostle John survived until the first of the Second Century. during this time, he made Disciples of Polycarp, Ignatius, Clement, Mathetes, Papias, and Ireneaus. these were also known as the First of the Church Fathers. and they, along with others to come wrote the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are ACTIVE until the Second Coming and we see God face to face.
now knowing this, these men [connected] to the Apostle John, who would know if the Gifts would remain active or not (plus wrote last Book that some [Cessasionist] claims = the Perfect has Come)...still clearly taught his own Disciples the Gifts end when Jesus Returns.
we have this access to the History of the Church and people still refuse it!
they clearly are BLINDED!
God has BLINDED them.
maybe they are not really Believers in God, since Jesus did say on Judgement Day "MANY will say LORD LORD we did this/that in Your Name and Jesus said He would reply, I NEVER KNEW YOU YOU [[((WORKERS OF INIQUITY))]].
to me, denying Facts like the Church Fathers connected to the Apostle John have to offer and then declaring the Gifts have ended is indeed WORKERS OF INIQUITY!
but as far as RA is concerned, he seems to deny Fact! so, not sure how to categorize him. not my place to judge him, but in Discerning him, it seems rather obvious!
I don't think it is coincidence at all, but purposed by God, that the Apostle John survived until the first of the Second Century. during this time, he made Disciples of Polycarp, Ignatius, Clement, Mathetes, Papias, and Ireneaus. these were also known as the First of the Church Fathers. and they, along with others to come wrote the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are ACTIVE until the Second Coming and we see God face to face.
now knowing this, these men [connected] to the Apostle John, who would know if the Gifts would remain active or not (plus wrote last Book that some [Cessasionist] claims = the Perfect has Come)...still clearly taught his own Disciples the Gifts end when Jesus Returns.
we have this access to the History of the Church and people still refuse it!
they clearly are BLINDED!
God has BLINDED them.
maybe they are not really Believers in God, since Jesus did say on Judgement Day "MANY will say LORD LORD we did this/that in Your Name and Jesus said He would reply, I NEVER KNEW YOU YOU [[((WORKERS OF INIQUITY))]].
to me, denying Facts like the Church Fathers connected to the Apostle John have to offer and then declaring the Gifts have ended is indeed WORKERS OF INIQUITY!
but as far as RA is concerned, he seems to deny Fact! so, not sure how to categorize him. not my place to judge him, but in Discerning him, it seems rather obvious!
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Ireneaus tells us when John was released from Patmos he became Bishop over the Church of Ephesus. Ephesus was the first Church listed in the SEVEN Churches in John's Vision of Revelation. he has this Revelation and then becomes Bishop over this Church. This Church and these SEVEN Churches were started by Paul. Ireneaus also tells us Polycarp, Mathese, Papias, all Disciples of John, were placed over these other Churches. so John and his Disciples ended up taking over these Seven Churches Paul started. and we know what Paul would have installed in these Churches, ALL of the Gifts of the Spirit.
so after all this, they write the Gifts are Active till we meet Jesus in His Second Coming. so they were continuing what Paul installed and the Apostle John was Bishop overseeing this until his death. and then John's own Disciples write how the Gifts are and will continue. so it is very amazing how it connects.
so after all this, they write the Gifts are Active till we meet Jesus in His Second Coming. so they were continuing what Paul installed and the Apostle John was Bishop overseeing this until his death. and then John's own Disciples write how the Gifts are and will continue. so it is very amazing how it connects.
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tongues tongues tongues are easy to fake
Love or charity is not
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
1Co_14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Love or charity is not
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
1Co_14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
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