Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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Once again, all the elect vessels of mercy were given Faith, by the Spirit, going back to even abel Heb 11:4
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Abel was righteous on the same basis as any saint is righteous, by the doing of Jesus Christ Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Abel had Christ revealed to him and looked forward to His coming into the world and be the sacrifice lamb of God.
Everyone Christ died for is made righteous, from the OT times unto the present, and in the future.
Once again, all the elect vessels of mercy were given Faith, by the Spirit, going back to even abel Heb 11:4
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Abel was righteous on the same basis as any saint is righteous, by the doing of Jesus Christ Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Abel had Christ revealed to him and looked forward to His coming into the world and be the sacrifice lamb of God.
Everyone Christ died for is made righteous, from the OT times unto the present, and in the future.
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It was revealed to them because they were elect, just like today, the mystery of the Gospel is only revealed to the Faith of Gods Elect Titus 1:1-2
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
The Gospel Mysteries shall always be revealed to Gods saints, holy ones Col 1:26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Gods saints existed in the OT Deut 33:3
Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.
Ps 16:3
But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight.
All the saints had Christ revealed to them personally, by the Spirit.
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It was revealed to them because they were elect, just like today, the mystery of the Gospel is only revealed to the Faith of Gods Elect Titus 1:1-2
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
The Gospel Mysteries shall always be revealed to Gods saints, holy ones Col 1:26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Gods saints existed in the OT Deut 33:3
Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.
Ps 16:3
But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight.
All the saints had Christ revealed to them personally, by the Spirit.
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Rev 20:15 explains why. They never received the gift of eternal life. They have no other place to go.
What a laugh. Calvinists don't understand it. John was clear: Christ atoned for the sins of not only the believer's sins, but for the sins of the whole world.
Those who try to force "whole world" to mean only "the whole world of the elect" only show their total ignorance of comprehension.
Such a rendering would require clear context to come to that conclusion. But the context contains NO such wording.
You are simply in denial. The truth is right before your eyes, and you simply reject it.
There are no verses that speak of "the elect world". That is a calvinist construct. iow, it's a made up word. Foreign to the Bible.
John used the term "whole world" and you claim it means "whole world of the elect". Yeah, sure.
John also use the word "whole world" in 1 John 5:19 - We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
So, will you agree that John meant "the whole world of the elect"? Remember, same author, same epistle, same term.
Your logic concludes that NONE of the non-elects are under the control of the evil one.
Quite the opposite, actually. By dying for the sins of everyone, Jesus removed ANY excuse for not receiving the free gift of eternal life. All they had to do was trust what Jesus said about Himself and why he went to the cross.
As it is, it is Calvinism that provides the EXCUSE for those who end up in the LOF. Since everyone is a sinner and DESERVE the LOF, those "not chosen", as calvinism puts it, have that excuse: they weren't chosen.
They will be able to rightly claim that God only chose SOME SINNERS to go to heaven, but passed over them. So they have that excuse, and ending up in hell isn't their fault. God simply didn't choose them.
By dying for everyone, NO ONE has any excuse. So His death was anything but worthless.
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Its only One Gospel and its hid to the Lost, the spiritually dead. 2 Cor 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
No matter what dispensation, OT or NT times, the Gospel is hid to the Lost and must be revealed. Isaiah understood this back under the OT writing about the Gospel of Christ Isa 53:1-6
Who hath believed our report/Gospel? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
The Gospel of Christ, the Arm of the Lord must be revealed to be believed.
Its only One Gospel and its hid to the Lost, the spiritually dead. 2 Cor 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
No matter what dispensation, OT or NT times, the Gospel is hid to the Lost and must be revealed. Isaiah understood this back under the OT writing about the Gospel of Christ Isa 53:1-6
Who hath believed our report/Gospel? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
The Gospel of Christ, the Arm of the Lord must be revealed to be believed.
Sure its an answer, the Gospel is a Mystery to the lost and spiritually dead. Christ preached the Only Gospel there is. It was still hid to the Lost when He preached it.
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Its a mystery and hid to them that are Lost 2 Cor 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Its a mystery and hid to them that are Lost 2 Cor 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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He said the Mystery of the Gospel, its all the same. and its all about Christ ! Christ must be revealed to believed. No man naturally knows Christ, He must be revealed Matt 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Peter didn't naturally know who Jesus was Matt 16:13-17
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
He said the Mystery of the Gospel, its all the same. and its all about Christ ! Christ must be revealed to believed. No man naturally knows Christ, He must be revealed Matt 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Peter didn't naturally know who Jesus was Matt 16:13-17
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
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Unfortunately, I would conclude you are of those who dont understand 1 Cor 15:1-4 which proves my point. One can read the scripture and yet remain unlearned and unenlightened.
Unfortunately, I would conclude you are of those who dont understand 1 Cor 15:1-4 which proves my point. One can read the scripture and yet remain unlearned and unenlightened.
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I would have to disagree with you, i cant see you believing in the Jesus of scripture. Also the world in Jn 3:16-17 is the Elect/Sheep, and by you not seeing that, it lets me know again you dont understand scripture.
I would have to disagree with you, i cant see you believing in the Jesus of scripture. Also the world in Jn 3:16-17 is the Elect/Sheep, and by you not seeing that, it lets me know again you dont understand scripture.
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The scriptures arent written to mankind in general, but to the saints of God, those set apart unto faith.
The scriptures arent written to mankind in general, but to the saints of God, those set apart unto faith.
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Correct, not with spiritual understanding. Only the regenerate have the ability given to them by God to read and understand the scriptures.
Correct, not with spiritual understanding. Only the regenerate have the ability given to them by God to read and understand the scriptures.
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People have abused Rom 10:9-10 to their destruction, yet Rom 10:9-10 is describing the actions of a regenerated heart, resting in Christ , who was raised for/because of their Justification Rom 4:25. Its those who have been by the power of the Holy spirit call upon the name of the Lord with a new circumcised heart of flesh. Ezk 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Again,
you do understand that "regenerated" and "converted" are the same thing?
If they are "regenerated", they already are "converted".
Under your erroneous dogma, how many times must a person be "converted" before they are "regenerated"???
People have abused Rom 10:9-10 to their destruction, yet Rom 10:9-10 is describing the actions of a regenerated heart, resting in Christ , who was raised for/because of their Justification Rom 4:25. Its those who have been by the power of the Holy spirit call upon the name of the Lord with a new circumcised heart of flesh. Ezk 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
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Again the unregenerate do not and cannot obey the Gospel. So its impossible for Rom 10:9-10 is referring to an unregenerate dead sinner.
Again the unregenerate do not and cannot obey the Gospel. So its impossible for Rom 10:9-10 is referring to an unregenerate dead sinner.
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Not quite, one can be regenerated, spiritually alive, prior to hearing the Gospel. Its the regenerated, spiritually alive person, that the Gospel converts. Paul wrote it like this 2 Tim 1:10
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
The Gospel brings spiritual and immortal life to light !
Not quite, one can be regenerated, spiritually alive, prior to hearing the Gospel. Its the regenerated, spiritually alive person, that the Gospel converts. Paul wrote it like this 2 Tim 1:10
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
The Gospel brings spiritual and immortal life to light !
Since is NO MENTION of "the elect" in John 3, there is no excuse for twisting John 3:16 to be referring to Jesus dying for ONLY the elect
You don't even understand what election is about anyway, so don't claim that you understand the Bible.
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You as usual sound confused. I dont have the slightest idea of what you talking about But a regenerated person is the only person that can be converted to the Gospel and by the Gospel. All others the Gospel is hid from them, and foolishness to them
You as usual sound confused. I dont have the slightest idea of what you talking about But a regenerated person is the only person that can be converted to the Gospel and by the Gospel. All others the Gospel is hid from them, and foolishness to them
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False, Christ redeemed only His Church, the Sheep, seed of Abraham, not all mankind
Titus 2:14
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
The us is the Elect, or the Church, not all mankind. You going to be sorry for preaching these false doctrines friend.
False, Christ redeemed only His Church, the Sheep, seed of Abraham, not all mankind
Titus 2:14
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
The us is the Elect, or the Church, not all mankind. You going to be sorry for preaching these false doctrines friend.