Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[brightfame52]

renewed

You do realize that Moses, the prophets and the psalms have more information than just the gospel, yes?

Those OT writings contained the Gospel, the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, thats why Paul said the Gospel according to the scriptures. The OT he used to preach the Gospel. Now those truths had to be revealed to be believed, Jesus had to opn up peoples understanding to those things Lk 24:44-47


44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Men naturally dont understand the scriptures, spiritually.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

The gospel in and of itself is simple so that even a child can understand. Once a person is born again through faith in the simple truth of the gospel, then the Holy Spirit works within the born again one to reveal the depths of the wisdom of God ... which we will never fully comprehend in this lifetime, nor in eternity as God is that magnificent.

Sorry, the Gospel is a Mystery to the natural man. A child may begin to understand the scriptures if God regenerates them while they are a child, That could have been the case with John the Baptist, and Timothy 2 Tim 3:15

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Other than that, no natural man, child or adult can understand the scripture, for that which is flesh is flesh.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

you do understand that "regenerated" and "converted" are the same thing?

Rom 10:9-10 is about the regenerated being converted by the Gospel, has nothing to do with the unregenerate natural man. The unregenerate are those who obey not the Gospel Rom 10:16

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

 

[brightfame52]

Pure garbage! Your twisting Scripture. How can someone tell us to love our neighbors when they themselves don’t love their neighbors? You’re calling Jesus a hypocrite with your heretical garbage. Whoever taught you this nonsense really damaged you regarding the truth of God.

You are resisting scripture. Those Christ died for cannot be condemned for anything, their unbelief is forgiven, as well as all their sins. You promote a false gospel, and it makes God unjust. And Jesus hates the workers of iniquity. He never knew them or loved them.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

sure they can. men believe all sorts of stuff. that's what you refuse to acknowledge.

Men naturally cannot believe in Jesus. They may believe lies, but they cant believe in the True Jesus.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

For the longest time you've been insisting that Rom 1:16-17 states that it is the gospel which is revealed. So now you finally acknowledge that it is the righteousness of God which is revealed.

And please note, verse 17 states the righteousness of God is revealed in the gospel of Christ.

And please note also the verse does not state "righteousness is revealed to faith" as you claim. The verse states therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith.

Yes, the Gospel must be revealed, Already explained Rom 1;16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

The Lord Jesus Christ died for all descendants of Adam.

False teaching, He died for the Seed of Abraham.

Heb 2:16

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.


For verily not to angels doth he give help, but he giveth help to the seed of Abraham. ASV


For, as we all know, He [Christ] did not take hold of angels [the fallen angels, to give them a helping and delivering hand], but He did take hold of [the fallen] descendants of Abraham [to reach out to them a helping and delivering hand].

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

And under your erroneous dogma, they'll remain that way because you teach the gospel is "hid" from them because they're not "elect" like you. That is not the gospel.

Romans 10:

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
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The unredeemed, the ones Christ did not lay down His Life for, the Non Sheep of His, they remain spiritually dead and in spiritual darkness and unbelief..

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

brightfame52 said:

Justified by His Death apart from our believing it !
Romans 10:

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Only the already Justified, born again, believe the Gospel. The Man with the New Heart.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

brightfame52 said:
Justification by Faith, not because its not true
so you now agree we're justified by faith ... just as Romans 5:1 states???

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

I have always believed in Justification by Faith, I have posted that in this thread plenty of times:

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ifieth-the-ungodly.201619/page-6#post-4710409

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

Another lifting of a verse from its context in order to promote your dogma.

When you read Romans 4:6 in context you find that David described what is written in Romans 4 ... that faith is not works:

Romans 4:

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works


Why do you continue to believe that faith = works when God specifically tells us that faith ≠ works???
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Righteousness is imputed without their act of believing. Our act of believing is our work. Righteousness has been imputed while being ungodly. Thats is what is believed.

 

[Snacks]

Those Christ died for cannot be condemned for anything, their unbelief is forgiven

Show me the exact scripture that states this.

 

[brightfame52]

Show me the exact scripture that states this.

I have shown you enough scripture about that and you haven't believed a word.

 

[Snacks]

I have shown you enough scripture about that and you haven't believed a word.

Show it again. Show the world the Scripture that states Jesus doesn’t love certain people.

 

[brightfame52]

Show it again. Show the world the Scripture that states Jesus doesn’t love certain people.

if you want to see what I posted read the thread,

 

[Snacks]

if you want to see what I posted read the thread,

You’re a false teacher and I fear you have succumbed to a spirit that is not of God. I’m shaking your heretical dust off my feet.

 

[brightfame52]

You’re a false teacher and I fear you have succumbed to a spirit that is not of God. I’m shaking your heretical dust off my feet.

See you at the Judgment my friend and it will be seen who the false teacher is.

 

[Snacks]

See you at the Judgment my friend and it will be seen who the false teacher is.

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. Looks like you lose, pal. Ba bye! 👋

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. Looks like you lose, pal. Ba bye! 👋

See you at the Judgment.

 

[Evmur]

The atonement is limited to Gods elect within all nations.

There is no such statement in scripture, rather the scripture says not for our sins only but for the sins of the world.

What God is offering now is LIFE to all who come to Him, but no-one can come to Him unless He first draws them.

It must be so, God could not pour out His Holy Spirit upon all flesh unless sin was atoned for. He would have to instantly slay the sinner.

I am not denying election but election is not achieved by limiting the atonement.