Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[brightfame52]

The Lord Jesus Christ died for all descendants of Adam.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

The only unpardonable sin today is that of continued unbelief. There is no pardon for a person who dies in his rejection of Christ. The Holy Spirit is at work in the world, convicting the unsaved of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8). If a person resists that conviction and remains unrepentant, then he is choosing hell over heaven. “Without faith it is impossible to please God” (Hebrews 11:6), and the object of faith is Jesus (Acts 16:31). There is no forgiveness for someone who dies without faith in Christ. God has provided for our salvation in His Son (John 3:16). Forgiveness is found exclusively in Jesus (John 14:6). To reject the only Savior is to be left with no means of salvation; to reject the only pardon is, obviously, unpardonable.​

https://www.gotquestions.org/unpardonable-sin.html​

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Christ died for the sins of His Elect, and them He died for, they are saved out of unbelief. Now if a person dies in their sins, in unbelief Jn 8:24, that indicates Jesus didn't die for them and so they can never believe. Believing in Christ is only for the ones He died for and put away their sins.

 

[brightfame52]

your whole premise is so ludicrous.

First you claim that the gospel is the hidden wisdom of God and, therefore, God "hides" the gospel from some and only "reveals" the gospel to the "elect".

Because you conflate the gospel with the mystery of God (i.e. the hidden wisdom – 1 Cor 2:7), you claim that "satan works for God" when satan blinds the minds of those who do not believe.

However, in all actuality you've got God working for satan when you claim God "hides" the gospel.

Your whole dilemma stems from the fact that you refuse to believe what is written in Scripture.

The gospel is the gospel and the gospel is revealed in Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

The mystery is the mystery which was hid in God from the foundation of the world until God revealed it to Paul.

In fact, 1 Cor 2:8 tells us that if satan had known the mystery, he would not have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Corinthians 2:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.


I will again spell these truths out to you and, hopefully, you can begin to understand so you quit arguing about things of which it is obvious you know nothing.

The gospel is revealed in all of Scripture. The gospel is not hidden. Even satan knows the gospel and, according to 2 Cor 4:4, it is satan who blinds the minds of those who do not believe the gospel ... which means it is not God Who hides the gospel.

The mystery was hidden in God until God revealed the mystery to Paul. satan did not know the mystery and had satan known the mystery he would not have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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After all that, the Gospel is hid to them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

The word hid kalyptō :

1. to hide, veil
   1. to hinder the knowledge of a thing

Its in the passive perfect, they are permanently having the Gospel hid from them while in a lost state. While in a lost state they will never be saved and come into the knowledge of the truth. That knowledge of the truth is being withheld from them

 

[brightfame52]

Again, Romans 1:17 says the righteousness of God is revealed.

You refuse to read what is written in Scripture.

When you continue to insist that the gospel of Christ "is not something men can know", you're teaching satan's lies.
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The Gospel and what truths pertaining to it, must be revealed Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Gospel Truth is revealed to Faith, which is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 so truth is only revealed to the born of the Spirit, for only they have faith, and not that fake human faith you always talking about from the natural man.

 

[brightfame52]

There you go again ... conflating Scripture because you have to support your erroneous dogma.

Luke 24:44-46 was not the same incident as Luke 24:27.
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You dont get it, Christ has to supernaturally open up our understanding to understand the scriptures Luke 24:45

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

The natural man can read the scriptures all day, every day, yet he cant know/understand them spiritually. 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The scriptures are things of the Spirit of God, in case you didn't know that. They must me be spiritually understood, unfortunately a spiritually dead sinner cannot do.

 

[brightfame52]

You're again missing the point because you have to support your erroneous dogma.

If, as you claim, the gospel is the same as the mystery which was kept secret in God from the foundation of the world until God revealed it to Paul as stated in Ephesians 3:9, then Job could not have known the gospel.

Just get over the fact that the gospel and the mystery are not the same thing.
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Again, like any other elect vessel of mercy, Job , Abel, Noal, Enoch and so forth, they were given Faith in Christ. How did enoch know about the second coming of Christ Jude 1:14-15

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

No doubt Enoch Preached the second coming of Christ in his day. Now if he preached the second coming of Christ, do you suppose he was ignorant of His first coming to put away the sins of Gods chosen people.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

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read the record in Luke 10 in order to understand what "things" were referred to in Matt 11:25.

Quit assuming that when Scripture indicates something was "hid", or "revealed", Scripture is automatically referring to the gospel.

The things are the Gospel, Christ Look at the immediate context Matt 11:25-30

25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

And verses 20-24 reveal the context:

20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:

21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.

23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

God didnt reveal to them the Son, He hid the converting knowledge of Him, they will face Judgment without Christ . God hid repentance from them. Its all about Christ and His Salvation, thats the Gospel in case you didnt know.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

Like I said

, now you're making satan more powerful than the gospel (which is the power of God unto salvation – Rom 1:16).

Any power satan has, God gave it him to serve Gods purpose. When its all said and done satan serves God.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

The one who is confused is the one who insists that there is no difference between the gospel, the mystery, and the riches of the glory of the mystery.

And we all understand why you cannot differentiate between the gospel and the mystery. Your erroneous dogma has to believe the gospel is the mystery and that God has to "reveal" the gospel to the "elect". What a crock!!!

Just read Scripture as written.


Here is the gospel:

1 Corinthians 15:

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures


Here is the mystery:

Ephesians 3:

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel


Here is the riches of the glory of the mystery:

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory


Now, you want to say the gospel is the mystery and the mystery is the gospel and God "hides" the gospel? Have at it.

I will read the truth of Scripture and believe what is written just as the Author of Scripture intended.

The gospel is the gospel and is not the mystery, nor is the gospel the riches of the glory of the mystery.

The mystery is the mystery and is not the gospel and in addition to the mystery the born again one has Christ within him/her (which is the riches of the glory of the mystery).

The riches of the glory of the mystery is Christ in the born again one, the hope of glory.


To acknowledge the difference between the gospel and the mystery is to rightly divide the word of truth as instructed in 2 Timothy 2:15:

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Its all One Gospel, and its all a mystery to the natural man. There are different aspects of the Gospel, nevertheless there is only One gospel. Part of that One Gospel is what God preached to Abraham Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

See Abraham had some knowledge of the Gentiles Justification

But yet that aspect of the Gospel remained a mystery to many even to Peter, but the point is, all Gospel Truth must be revealed, and the natural man cannot receive it. And you are confused if you think there is more than one Gospel !

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

So now you do agree that gospel is revealed in Moses, the prophets, and in the psalms???

I never denied or disagreed with that, the Gospel was revealed to Adam and Eve Gen 3:15 and to Abel Heb 11:4 and all the people of Faith Heb 11, but they were all Gods elect, and were born again by the Spirit, why else did they have the fruit of the Spirit Faith. The Gospel is always revealed to Faith, no matter what time in world history, but its still is and always has been hidden from the natural man.

 

[Snacks]

No sin can be laid to the charge of Gods elect. Not even the sin of unbelief. The only people who die unrepentant and in unbelief are the non elect who Christ didnt love, nor did He die for them, thats why they remain unchanged.

Pure heresy. If you don’t believe in Jesus, you are condemned (John 3:18) and that’s indisputable. Show me in Scripture where Jesus didn’t love someone.

 

[Evmur]

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Its all One Gospel, and its all a mystery to the natural man. There are different aspects of the Gospel, nevertheless there is only One gospel. Part of that One Gospel is what God preached to Abraham Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

See Abraham had some knowledge of the Gentiles Justification

But yet that aspect of the Gospel remained a mystery to many even to Peter, but the point is, all Gospel Truth must be revealed, and the natural man cannot receive it. And you are confused if you think there is more than one Gospel !

Yes but not the atonement that is limited but the revelation of it. The election is for the purpose of blessing all nations.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

The gospel is not the mystery and the mystery is not the gospel.

If the gospel is the mystery ... then what "gospel" did the Lord Jesus Christ preach when He walked on the earth?

The Gospel is a Mystery and hidden from the natural man, the lost person 2 Cor 4:3-4 1 Cor 2:14

Eph 6:19

19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

JFB says of Eph 6:19

19. for me—a different Greek preposition from that in Eph 6:18; translate, therefore, "on my behalf."
that I may open my mouth boldly—rather, "that there may be given to me 'utterance,' or 'speech' in the opening of my mouth (when I undertake to speak; a formula used in set and solemn speech, Job 3:1; Da 10:16), so as with boldness to make known," &c. Bold plainness of speech was the more needed, as the Gospel is a "mystery" undiscoverable by mere reason, and only known by revelation. Paul looked for utterance to be given him; he did not depend on his natural or acquired power. The shortest road to any heart is by way of heaven; pray to God to open the door and to open your mouth, so as to avail yourself of every opening (Jer 1:7, 8; Eze 3:8, 9, 11; 2Co 4:13).

John Gill

to make known, the mystery of the Gospel; or the mysterious doctrines of it, such as the doctrines of a trinity of persons, of the union of the two natures in Christ, justification by his righteousness, regeneration by his Spirit and grace, the saints' union to Christ, and communion with him, the resurrection of the dead, &c. which are called mysteries, because they were hid until revealed; and though revealed, the "modus" and "ratio" of them are not to be accounted for. Now the apostle's work was to make known these mysteries, to prove the truth of them from the word of God, and to defend them against the opposers of them; and that he might be able to do this he entreats the prayers of the saints.

Elliot

The mystery of the gospel.—The word “gospel” being used emphatically is, of course, the mystery of the new and universal grace of God to the Gentiles of which he speaks at large in Ephesians 3:1-10. This was “made known to him;” he desires inspiration “to make it known” to others.

 

[brightfame52]

Pure heresy. If you don’t believe in Jesus, you are condemned (John 3:18) and that’s indisputable. Show me in Scripture where Jesus didn’t love someone.

Its the Truth. No one Jesus died for can be condemned, because He was already condemned of God for them, thats why He died, because He was condemned to die for them, so that would be double Jeporady and unjust.

 

[Snacks]

Its the Truth. No one Jesus died for can be condemned, because He was already condemned of God for them, thats why He died, because He was condemned to die for them, so that would be double Jeporady and unjust.

I reiterate, pure heresy. And I notice you failed to provide Scripture stating Jesus doesn’t love certain people.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

You cannot say the Lord Jesus Christ taught the mystery because Paul tells us in Ephesians 3 that the mystery was hid in God until God revealed it to Paul and Paul revealed it to the church at Ephesus:

Yes He alluded to it , but nevertheless, the Gospel is still a Mystery. Jesus said on one occasion He would also call His Sheep of another fold, that being the Gentiles, and they all would be One Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Thats why Paul said the Gentiles would hear Acts 28:28


Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes but not the atonement that is limited but the revelation of it. The election is for the purpose of blessing all nations.

The atonement is limited to Gods elect within all nations.

 

[brightfame52]

I reiterate, pure heresy. And I notice you failed to provide Scripture stating Jesus doesn’t love certain people.

No its the truth. You are promoting double jeporady, making God unjust. The sinners Christ died for have been condemned and punished in Him, and are now forgiven and Justified. Christ died for all their unrighteousness, to include unbelief. Jesus is God, so He doesnt love the workers of iniquity Ps 5:5

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Jesus will tell them Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Also I never knew you means I never loved you as well, surely He knew them He so Loved.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

The gospel is not the mystery.

The gospel is a Mystery, and contains many Mysteries. The gathering in of the Gentiles is only one of many Mysteries that constitute the Mystery of the Gospel.

Paul even uses the definite article when saying the Gospel is the Mystery Eph 6:19

19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

 

[Snacks]

Jesus will tell them Matt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Also I never knew you means I never loved you as well, surely He knew them He so Loved.

Pure garbage! Your twisting Scripture. How can someone tell us to love our neighbors when they themselves don’t love their neighbors? You’re calling Jesus a hypocrite with your heretical garbage. Whoever taught you this nonsense really damaged you regarding the truth of God.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

r-i-g-h-t ... it is soooooo difficult for a person to understand that the Lord Jesus Christ died for sin and that God raised Him up on the third day.

Yes. Most people I know dont understand 1 Cor 15:1-4 and to be honest with you, I cant see where you understand it.