Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?
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This post is so funny I came back a second time to read it. It stinks of desperation. Large font bold red letters? Seriously? LOL. And you called me a liar. Too funny. I see you can't defeat me with knowledge and information so you resort to slander and character defamation. You've lost!
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A person can do a search here in the forum and find numerous threads started by wansvic always about the same itinerary and of course it is always wansvic and friends 
Nothing new in this thread. However it seems the lies are becoming somewhat more aggressive.
Nothing new in this thread. However it seems the lies are becoming somewhat more aggressive.
once again..
rom 6 is spirit baptism, NOT WATER
and 1 peter is Peter telling us, Like the waters of the flood. which symbolises what truely saves, Baptism also symbolises what truely saves.
He made it clear to show that water baptism does not remove sin,m It is the answer of a good consious to God (like aboying any command is)
rom 6 is spirit baptism, NOT WATER
and 1 peter is Peter telling us, Like the waters of the flood. which symbolises what truely saves, Baptism also symbolises what truely saves.
He made it clear to show that water baptism does not remove sin,m It is the answer of a good consious to God (like aboying any command is)
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Romans 6 is water baptism.
Rom 6:4 Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so also we may live a new way of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have become identified with him in the likeness of his death, certainly also we will be identified with him in the likeness of his resurrection,
Water baptism is a picture of going down into the water in order to have a symbolic burial. The rising up out of the water is like being resurrected. That’s what the likeness of His death is, but we don’t literally die and aren’t literally resurrected.
Really want to prove me wrong? Find a verse that says resurrection comes through faith in Christ. I’ll be waiting a long time I bet.
Rom 6:4 Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so also we may live a new way of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have become identified with him in the likeness of his death, certainly also we will be identified with him in the likeness of his resurrection,
Water baptism is a picture of going down into the water in order to have a symbolic burial. The rising up out of the water is like being resurrected. That’s what the likeness of His death is, but we don’t literally die and aren’t literally resurrected.
Really want to prove me wrong? Find a verse that says resurrection comes through faith in Christ. I’ll be waiting a long time I bet.
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Ad hominin attack. How original Are you saying that leftists cannot be saved?
Actually I fit into the Libertarian way of thinking. Also actually, neither of the other parties are worth voting for anymore
Are you saying that leftists cannot be saved?Actually I fit into the Libertarian way of thinking. Also actually, neither of the other parties are worth voting for anymore
There you go....assessment wrong.
Anyone can be born again and eligible to be saved upon God's judgment.
Keep it in context. A problem leftist have.
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When a person hungers and thirsts after righteousness God is well able to make both water and a "dunker" available. Remember the eunuch and Cornelius stories? Water in the desert, and an angelic visitor with specific instructions to locate a dunker.
After dunking the Samaritans, God sent Philip to the eunuch traveling in the desert where he dunked him. Afterward God miraculously translated Philip on to his next assignment in Caesarea. (Acts 8:12-17, 8:26-40)
Consider Cornelius. God sent an angel who provided Cornelius with instructions to acquire a dunker. He commanded the group to be dunked in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:47-48)
Acts 10:30-35
And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.
Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.
Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Acts 10:47-48
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
After dunking the Samaritans, God sent Philip to the eunuch traveling in the desert where he dunked him. Afterward God miraculously translated Philip on to his next assignment in Caesarea. (Acts 8:12-17, 8:26-40)
Consider Cornelius. God sent an angel who provided Cornelius with instructions to acquire a dunker. He commanded the group to be dunked in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:47-48)
Acts 10:30-35
And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.
Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.
Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Acts 10:47-48
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
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Seriously. Are you considering lying for a living? P. 16 here and many posts and you know people have posted scripture that shows your error. I guess you just need attention.
You are calling God a liar.
Good luck with that one.
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That is God's word;
Baptism is Required
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.
KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”
John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth
.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.
Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.
Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.
Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.
Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
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The shed blood of Jesus is what cleanses us from sin when a person believes and obeys the God-given command to be water baptized in the name of Lord.
Mark 1:2-4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance FOR the remission of sins.
Luke 1:76-77
And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
To give knowledge of salvation unto his people BY the remission of their sins,
Luke 3:3
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance FOR the remission of sins;
Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, BEGINNING AT JERUSALEM.
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Acts 22:16 (Apostle Paul’s water baptism)
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Mark 1:2-4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance FOR the remission of sins.
Luke 1:76-77
And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
To give knowledge of salvation unto his people BY the remission of their sins,
Luke 3:3
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance FOR the remission of sins;
Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, BEGINNING AT JERUSALEM.
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Acts 22:16 (Apostle Paul’s water baptism)
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
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