"Disciplining" children

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AndrewMorgan said:
Thanks for your replies. I've read through them.
It seems to me 'though that they all confirm my point that no specific actions correspond to specific punishments (sorry if I've missed any which contradict this).
This I find strange, in light of the fact that there are so many detailed rules and punishments elsewhere (Eg Lev. and Deuter.).
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You are trying to place same "rules" from 1st Covenant, Law to the New Covenant, Grace. That will not work? Why? The 1st Covenant, Law was NOT for salvation, but to bring man into judgement. The New Covenant, Grace is the Covenant unto salvation because it is where the precious blood of Jesus washes us clean of our sinfulness and makes us worthy to be called the children of God.

Two different Covenants............IF you are a Christian, forget the 1st Covenant Rules/Punishments, and focus on the freely given grace under the New Covenant.
 
AndrewMorgan said:
Maybe I've implicitly exaggerated the need for specificities, but whether the case, your post adds to the point that the Bible seems to lack them.
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The New Covenant lacks them BECAUSE we are now able to "boldly approach" the Throne of God and make known our petitions, and ask for forgiveness.

Maybe you are just being kinda ........... well .........

You have had numerous explanations to resolve the questions you have asked, but it seems none of them are acceptable to you. This may just be something you have to spend time on your knees in prayer to discover the answers you seek.
 
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Exactly @Grandpa the same folks who say this is a woman are telling us how to raise our kids .Smack in the face of God our Creator
 

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p_rehbein said:
You are trying to place same "rules" from 1st Covenant, Law to the New Covenant, Grace. That will not work? Why? The 1st Covenant, Law was NOT for salvation, but to bring man into judgement. The New Covenant, Grace is the Covenant unto salvation because it is where the precious blood of Jesus washes us clean of our sinfulness and makes us worthy to be called the children of God.

Two different Covenants............IF you are a Christian, forget the 1st Covenant Rules/Punishments, and focus on the freely given grace under the New Covenant.
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I never referenced (eternal) salvation - only the dealings between people in this life.
 
AndrewMorgan said:
I never referenced (eternal) salvation - only the dealings between people in this life.
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Which still stands that you are trying to place punishments/rules of 1st Covenant into our New Covenant...... you can not do that, because it is not Biblical.

And, again, no matter what answers you get, they are never "good enough" for you. I'm beginning to believe you are just being argumentative/stirring the pot here.

Enjoy your game
 
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p_rehbein said:
The New Covenant lacks them BECAUSE we are now able to "boldly approach" the Throne of God and make known our petitions, and ask for forgiveness.

Maybe you are just being kinda ........... well .........

You have had numerous explanations to resolve the questions you have asked, but it seems none of them are acceptable to you. This may just be something you have to spend time on your knees in prayer to discover the answers you seek.
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As for your first two comments - ?!! As for your third, - (numerous?!!) None offered specifics in the area I mentioned - in fact, at least one acknowledged THERE AREN'T ANY!
 
p_rehbein said:
Which still stands that you are trying to place punishments/rules of 1st Covenant into our New Covenant...... you can not do that, because it is not Biblical.

And, again, no matter what answers you get, they are never "good enough" for you. I'm beginning to believe you are just being argumentative/stirring the pot here.

Enjoy your game
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They CERTAINLY haven't been so far!
As to your first point - as I've said, OT v NT details are beside the point.
As for the last point, believe what you want.
I don't believe I'll get any pertinent points from here, so I don't think I'll continue, but thanks to all those who've contributed.
 
AndrewMorgan said:
Hi.
Regarding the biblical (and generally accepted, by bible-believing Christians) instruction re. the corporal punishment of children - something I've always found abhorrent, 'though I'm not a perfect, wise, all-knowing God! - I've not seen anywhere in the OT ('though there might well be some I've missed) where it states what such punishment is to be administered for specific offenses.
I'd be interested in hearing in any light on the subject.
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To the bolded part: no such Scripture exists.

Even the oft-quoted "spare the rod and spoil the child" may be reinterpreted in the light of another verse that says, "Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me."
 
are you asking for specific instances where parents beat their own child with a rod in the Bible?

I cant think of any off the top of my head.
I do know Abraham attempted to sacrifice Isaac though.
 
Noah cursed Hams son Canaan but I dont know if this curse also involved beating him up.
 
AndrewMorgan said:
Hi.
Regarding the biblical (and generally accepted, by bible-believing Christians) instruction re. the corporal punishment of children - something I've always found abhorrent, 'though I'm not a perfect, wise, all-knowing God! - I've not seen anywhere in the OT ('though there might well be some I've missed) where it states what such punishment is to be administered for specific offenses.
I'd be interested in hearing in any light on the subject.
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I think it’s important that punishment is coming from love , from protecting someone from a bad path early on. Abuse is one thing that’s condemned by the lord , punishment for knowinly rebelling and doing wrong is absolutely biblical and necassary

I don’t think we should be acting fro. Anger and frustration but parents need to discipline and take time to think and be calm first and hash out what a proper consewuence is

I’m an old man now I grew up in a different world as a child from children now. It was legal for parents to punish children basically anyway they saw fit .

in my youth this led to many children bieng abused d law enforcement turning blind eye to a lot of terrible things.

I was blessed I received maybe 5 spankings in my life it stung a little and I cried but more from the steepness of my parents demeanor when I had disobeyed

mostly I lost privileges and things along those lines but sometimes looking back I needed a harsh word and spanking because I eas a hard head sometimes it didn’t hurt me it actually taught me a lesson

I knew there would always be a consequence good or bad based on my behavior I eas taught what eas acceptable and expected raised by amazing people but also I knew I had boundaries and if I strayed I had trouble coming. I never felt unloved or abused but it was a different world then

the household was a sacred and much more private place and a child really was at random with whatever parents they got some got terrible abused back then

I dont think it’s always a literal “ rod “ that’s needed for discipline often a privilege or something fun being taken for a time does wonders sometimes though there’s a line in my own opinion ion where corporal punishment is actually necassary and is what love needs to do to get an important message across depending on the kid

anywho just my thoughts

but no there’s no list of this act requires two lashes or this act requires three in the ot in the new ot actually teaches parents to exercise patience , forebearance , and also discipline when necassary

but it teaches us not to be too harsh and embitter children also were meant to love them first and teach them how to do that to others sometimes punishment is a necassary part of love for correction and rebuke to teach a lesson and change a course
 
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p_rehbein said:
Two different Covenants............IF you are a Christian, forget the 1st Covenant Rules/Punishments, and focus on the freely given grace under the New Covenant.
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I don't think it is wise, ever, to disregard the word of God. God gave the first covenant and improved it with the second covenant.
 
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Thanks to all who responded with sincerity and cordiality. Maybe I WAS making too much of the need for details in this matter.
Maybe you're guessed - I have a "thing" about this. I instinctively feel that hitting a child is abhorrent - 'though as I said before - I'm not God He is wiser that I.
 
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AndrewMorgan said:
Thanks to all who responded with sincerity and cordiality. Maybe I WAS making too much of the need for details in this matter.
Maybe you're guessed - I have a "thing" about this. I instinctively feel that hitting a child is abhorrent - 'though as I said before - I'm not God He is wiser that I.
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Children lack a lot of cognitive skills and abilities. That's the reason for spanking.

It sits firmly in their minds as to what is and is not acceptable behavior...severity isn't as important as ceremony.

The use of corporal punishment is only one of many useful tools used in teaching children self discipline....yes, it's often misused. But that, by no means, it should be removed completely from every parents toolbox of available options.

And likely you are rather young and still at a point in life where you remember every mistake (real or imagined) your parents made as well as the Netflix password.

Give em a break eh? They did have your best interests at heart. They were on your side the whole time even if they didn't understand everything about you.
 
Lanolin said:
are you asking for specific instances where parents beat their own child with a rod in the Bible?

I cant think of any off the top of my head.
I do know Abraham attempted to sacrifice Isaac though.
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Lanolin said:
are you asking for specific instances where parents beat their own child with a rod in the Bible?

I cant think of any off the top of my head.
I do know Abraham attempted to sacrifice Isaac though.
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No - rather specific instructions as to what punishments are to meted out for specific wrongs.
The Abraham/ Isaac situation was different - it involved no wrongdoing. It was God testing Abraham.
 
Lanolin said:
are you asking for specific instances where parents beat their own child with a rod in the Bible?

I cant think of any off the top of my head.
I do know Abraham attempted to sacrifice Isaac though.
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No - rather instructions as to what punishments are to be meted out for specific wrongs.
As for the Abraham/ Isaac situation - they are not comparable. There was no wrongdoing. It was God testing Abraham.
 
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