Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

[peldom10]

extra mile??

You stopped talking about it honestly awhile ago. I just give up trying to explain it to you..

Glad you gave up because you were not doing an acceptable job.

Study scriptures.

 

[peldom10]

Actually you’re completely wrong about that since what is written says something different:

John 3:22
22After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 3:26
26And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him

There are two instances above where they said Jesus was baptizing without actually saying it was His disciples who did the baptizing.

What do you say to that?

That is not the first time I have seen...artisto......wrong....... Only to be with the .......new aqe religion crowd.
Not helpful.

 

[peldom10]

first thing I would do is study why you try to replace the baptism of God with the baptism of man, and make it a requirement for salvation. and not an act of obedience for someone who is already saved.

Why can't you understand God's commandment here;

Baptism is Required


Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).

 

[peldom10]

first thing I would do is study why you try to replace the baptism of God with the baptism of man, and make it a requirement for salvation. and not an act of obedience for someone who is already saved.

Why do you assign blame to a human? It is God's word.
Why don't you take it up with Him.
He will listen.

 

[jasminemarie003]

I know that many denominations and churches believe in the fact that you are not saved if you are not baptized by full immersion in water. That's what I grew up thinking. In fact, I thought that up until three days before I got baptized myself (less than a year ago). However, what I personally believe, as well as my denomination and church (Pentecostal, Assemblies of God), is that in order to be saved we need to declare Jesus Christ as our savior. Of course, it is always encouraged to be baptized in water because Jesus asks us to, and it is just an act of obedience, but I was saved 2 months before my baptism and didn't even know it. I declared that i was going to follow Jesus and that I believed that He died for my sins and rose 3 days later and then ascended into Heaven and that He will come again. Baptism is simply the public declaration of following Christ, as well as the physical symbolism of sin being washed away. I don't know why a Christian who is dedicated to following Christ wouldn't get baptized, but if the 2nd coming occurred before they got the chance, they would still be considered saved.

Also, this is all just my take on what I've read and researched and learned through the AG church

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I know that many denominations and churches believe in the fact that you are not saved if you are not baptized by full immersion in water. That's what I grew up thinking. In fact, I thought that up until three days before I got baptized myself (less than a year ago). However, what I personally believe, as well as my denomination and church (Pentecostal, Assemblies of God), is that in order to be saved we need to declare Jesus Christ as our savior. Of course, it is always encouraged to be baptized in water because Jesus asks us to, and it is just an act of obedience, but I was saved 2 months before my baptism and didn't even know it. I declared that i was going to follow Jesus and that I believed that He died for my sins and rose 3 days later and then ascended into Heaven and that He will come again. Baptism is simply the public declaration of following Christ, as well as the physical symbolism of sin being washed away. I don't know why a Christian who is dedicated to following Christ wouldn't get baptized, but if the 2nd coming occurred before they got the chance, they would still be considered saved.

Also, this is all just my take on what I've read and researched and learned through the AG church

sadly baptism has been made into a mockery

my church uses it as an outreach ministry. its a big party. all parties are invited to invite their friends and family. and they give an open testimony. I have witnessed many come to christ when people are baptized..

Its sad that people make a mockery of it by making it something it is not.

 

[peldom10]

QUOTE="jasminemarie003, post: 4878301, member: 317061"]I know that many denominations and churches believe in the fact that you are not saved if you are not baptized by full immersion in water. That's what I grew up thinking. In fact, I thought that up until three days before I got baptized myself (less than a year ago). However, what I personally believe, as well as my denomination and church (Pentecostal, Assemblies of God), is that in order to be saved we need to declare Jesus Christ as our savior. Of course, it is always encouraged to be baptized in water because Jesus asks us to, and it is just an act of obedience, but I was saved 2 months before my baptism and didn't even know it. I declared that i was going to follow Jesus and that I believed that He died for my sins and rose 3 days later and then ascended into Heaven and that He will come again. Baptism is simply the public declaration of following Christ, as well as the physical symbolism of sin being washed away. I don't know why a Christian who is dedicated to following Christ wouldn't get baptized, but if the 2nd coming occurred before they got the chance, they would still be considered saved.

Also, this is all just my take on what I've read and researched and learned through the AG church [/QUOTE]


You are a little confused....going to church ...for example...is a public declaration of following Christ. Baptism is required.

Scriptures;

Baptism is Required



Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
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If you have scripture which says baptism is not required....don't be bashful...show them?

 

[Wansvic]

You don’t get it.

Jesus said you must be born again. Being born again means being born of water and Spirit. When you were “born of water” on June 13th 1965, you weren’t born again. You were born the first time. That was your natural flesh birth.

So your natural birth was not being born again of water and Spirit. Being born of water and Spirit is a spiritual rebirth… meaning it’s a second birth and it doesn’t involve a woman’s womb.

You were dead spiritually, but then you were born again of water and Spirit. Water is water baptism, Spirit is Holy Spirit baptism. That’s the clear truth that Nicodemus and many others just couldn’t understand.

John 3:5-7
5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. 7Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’

@Everlasting-Grace
Confirmation of this truth is also found in the detailed conversion experiences. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 16:14-15, 19:1-6, 22:16) Note that every group of humanity as well as individuals is represented. This speaks to the point that no one is excluded from the need to be water baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of sin and to be indwelt with the Holy Ghost. (born of water and Spirit) Clearly there is a distinct parallel between Jesus' words in John 3:5, and the noted conversion experiences.

Also, Jesus said "UNLESS" a man is born of water and of Spirit... If what you believe were true, Jesus is saying unless you've been born you cannot be born again. Therefore putting the condition of being born naturally does not make sense.

 

[peldom10]

I know that many denominations and churches believe in the fact that you are not saved if you are not baptized by full immersion in water. That's what I grew up thinking. In fact, I thought that up until three days before I got baptized myself (less than a year ago). However, what I personally believe, as well as my denomination and church (Pentecostal, Assemblies of God), is that in order to be saved we need to declare Jesus Christ as our savior. Of course, it is always encouraged to be baptized in water because Jesus asks us to, and it is just an act of obedience, but I was saved 2 months before my baptism and didn't even know it. I declared that i was going to follow Jesus and that I believed that He died for my sins and rose 3 days later and then ascended into Heaven and that He will come again. Baptism is simply the public declaration of following Christ, as well as the physical symbolism of sin being washed away. I don't know why a Christian who is dedicated to following Christ wouldn't get baptized, but if the 2nd coming occurred before they got the chance, they would still be considered saved.

Also, this is all just my take on what I've read and researched and learned through the AG church

The Bible says you must be baptized...never mind a denomination.

 

[Wansvic]

You do not get it. Jesus said we must be born a second time., In order for us to be brn a second time, we must be born the first.

Jesus did not stutter. and he explained what he meant

That which is born of flesh (water) is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit.

2 births..

I never said it was. Once again your trying to read something into what others say that they never said. If you would take the time to look at the word and listen to them, you wuld not make this mistake.

My water birth was my first birth. My spirit birth was my SECOND.. hnce "born again or a second time)



Wrong

was born of the flesh.

I must be born of the spirit

Your whole argument is DESTROYED by the fact When Jesus told him HOW to be born again, HE NEVER MENTIONED BAPTISM.

This my last response on John 3. If you have not got it by now. you may never get it. It is in Gods hands

The natural birth and spiritual rebirth both require water and Spirit. In the natural, the baby emerges from water and receives the breath of life. Take away either one and the baby does not survive. Scripture tells us that spiritual concepts can be understood by God's designs in nature. Think about it, God could have made the baby enter the world via any means; such as a dry sack, etc. God says man is without excuse because His truths are revealed in the world around us.

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" Romans 1:20

 

[peldom10]

The natural birth and spiritual rebirth both require water and Spirit. In the natural, the baby emerges from water and receives the breath of life. Take away either one and the baby does not survive. Scripture tells us that spiritual concepts can be understood by God's designs in nature. Think about it, God could have made the baby enter the world via any means; such as a dry sack, etc. God says man is without excuse because His truths are revealed in the world around us.

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" Romans 1:20

Are you suggesting example of God's capabilities or what?

 

[Polar]

You are adept at recognizing major points for clarity. That is correct.

It is a challenge indeed, to achieve getting anti baptism advocates to explain their position.
Maybe any time we can get a brake through.
The many new interpretations of the Bible...since the 1960's ......is amazing but, fits with end time scriptures saying...."in the end times there will great deceptions"....they are here and more on the way, assuredly.

You appear to be lying to gin up support for your opinion

NO ONE IS ANTI BAPTISM. The scripture is clear on being baptized. It is also clear that water does not cleanse from sin.

So you go and have your little chat with the runner there and make up stories which you both seem to be eager to do.

Frankly the deliberate lying is sickening and it seems you have to go that far in order to make yourself feel better.

It's a shame.

 

[Polar]

I think we should study a bit into the why people think they can disregard water baptism. This may have something to do with foundational teachings.

Is everyone believing that the example of the church in the New Testament is the most accurate example of what a church should be? If yes then they clearly taught water baptism was a requirement.

As I said to your buddy, NO ONE DISREGARDS OR THINKS WATER BAPTISM SHOULD NOT OCCUR

YOU LIE EVERY TIME YOU SAY THIS OR HINT AT IT

Both of you know full well you are not being truthful. It is amazing that you think to convince people how righteous you are, considering you use lies in your attempts at persuading others that you own the truth.

I can't wait to see what other gibberish you cough up. (sarcasim)

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

for everyone who insisted John 3 is water baptism.....

lets break this passage down and see what is realy said.

1. Jesus tells Nicodemus what MUST happen.

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Born again in the greek anothen - to be born again, experience new birth, rebirth, born from above

2. Nicodemus asks. How can this be must a man enter his mothers womb a second time (Nicodemus asks, Do we reenter the flesh to be born physically (of the flesh) a second time?

3. Jesus response, again telling him what must happen and what it is

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Born of water and spirit

Born of flesh is flesh (water)

born of spirit is spirit (spirit)

Being born of the spirit. unlike flesh birth, comes like the wind, you do not know where it comes from, or where it goes. SO is everyone who is BORN OF THE SPIRIT (notice, Jesus focuses on birth of the spirit. as being born again, Not water)

4. Nicodemus again responds as confused. How can these things be? he says

5. Jesus responds. with HOW these things can be by telling him HOW to be born again.

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.


18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

this is the conversation. and this is the message.

You all can keep saying water is baptism until you are out of breath, It was not right when it was written, it was not right yesterday and will not be right tomorrow.

The fact when jesus only mentioned BORN OF THE SPIRIT as the means,

and the fact Jesus NEVER mentioned baptize when he told Nicodemus HOW to be born again, is telling

Just because you see the word water does not mean baptize. And without Jesus telling Nicodemus believe and be baptized to be born again (eternal life) you have to make a LARGE assumption that Nicodemus would have even thought baptize when he heard water, especially since believers baptism had not even been instituted yet.

you guys can attack bellittle and slander others all you want. all you do is make yourselves look bad. And person who literally sits and looks at john 3 would come to the same conclusion as above. there is no other way to translate it.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

As I said to your buddy, NO ONE DISREGARDS OR THINKS WATER BAPTISM SHOULD NOT OCCUR

YOU LIE EVERY TIME YOU SAY THIS OR HINT AT IT

Both of you know full well you are not being truthful. It is amazing that you think to convince people how righteous you are, considering you use lies in your attempts at persuading others that you own the truth.

I can't wait to see what other gibberish you cough up. (sarcasim)

they are in desperation mode. they have been asked to back up their belief in specific ways, and they can not. so they come out on the attack mode.

 

[Wansvic]

I know that many denominations and churches believe in the fact that you are not saved if you are not baptized by full immersion in water. That's what I grew up thinking. In fact, I thought that up until three days before I got baptized myself (less than a year ago). However, what I personally believe, as well as my denomination and church (Pentecostal, Assemblies of God), is that in order to be saved we need to declare Jesus Christ as our savior. Of course, it is always encouraged to be baptized in water because Jesus asks us to, and it is just an act of obedience, but I was saved 2 months before my baptism and didn't even know it. I declared that i was going to follow Jesus and that I believed that He died for my sins and rose 3 days later and then ascended into Heaven and that He will come again. Baptism is simply the public declaration of following Christ, as well as the physical symbolism of sin being washed away. I don't know why a Christian who is dedicated to following Christ wouldn't get baptized, but if the 2nd coming occurred before they got the chance, they would still be considered saved.

Also, this is all just my take on what I've read and researched and learned through the AG church

No one should risk their eternal salvation on denominational beliefs. As Jesus said all will be judged by the word. It is the final authority. Scripture indicates that obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is when one's sins are remitted. Jesus paid the penalty for the sin of all of mankind. However, only those who believe and obey the command to be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus take hold of that reality per God's design.

Acts 2:36-39 (Jewish) The group was instructed to have their sins remitted through baptism.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans)
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 11:13-14
And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[Wansvic]

Are you suggesting example of God's capabilities or what?

The point is God revealed that the Spiritual rebirth requires being born of water (water baptism) and the Spirit. (receiving the Holy Spirit)

Natural birth - baby is immersed in water and breaks forth, and receives the breath of life.
Born again - person must be immersed in water (water baptism) and also receive the Spirit.

 

[Wansvic]

You appear to be lying to gin up support for your opinion

NO ONE IS ANTI BAPTISM. The scripture is clear on being baptized. It is also clear that water does not cleanse from sin.

So you go and have your little chat with the runner there and make up stories which you both seem to be eager to do.

Frankly the deliberate lying is sickening and it seems you have to go that far in order to make yourself feel better.

It's a shame.

Is it your position that all of these scriptures do not mean what they say? Matt. 21:25, 32; Mark 1:2-4; Luke 1:76-77, 3:3, 24:47; Acts 2:38, 10:43, 22:16.

Jesus said John the Baptist came in the way of righteousness and was not believed. John said water baptism was to be done for remission of sins.

Jesus words concerning water baptism’s role in remitting sins:

The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him. Matt 21:25, 32


Mark 1:2-4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance FOR the remission of sins.

Luke 1:76-77
And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
To give knowledge of salvation unto his people BY the remission of their sins,

Luke 3:3
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance FOR the remission of sins;

Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, BEGINNING AT JERUSALEM.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 22:16 (Apostle Paul’s water baptism)
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[Polar]

Is it your position that all of these scriptures do not mean what they say? Matt. 21:25, 32; Mark 1:2-4; Luke 1:76-77, 3:3, 24:47; Acts 2:38, 10:43, 22:16.

Jesus said John the Baptist came in the way of righteousness and was not believed. John said water baptism was to be done for remission of sins.

Jesus words concerning water baptism’s role in remitting sins:

The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him. Matt 21:25, 32


Mark 1:2-4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance FOR the remission of sins.

Luke 1:76-77
And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
To give knowledge of salvation unto his people BY the remission of their sins,

Luke 3:3
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance FOR the remission of sins;

Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, BEGINNING AT JERUSALEM.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 22:16 (Apostle Paul’s water baptism)
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Is it your position that I have fallen on my head and no longer believe that the sacrifice of Christ is not sufficient for the forgiveness of sin?


For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hebrews 10:26

It is willful sin to lie, as two others have done here recently and while you may be sincere, you are also sincerely wrong about baptism.

If I had never been baptized, I would still be IN Christ and my sin forgiven.


The Word of Life
(Luke 24:36–49; John 20:19–23)

1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands—this is the Word of life. 2And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us.

3We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And this fellowship of ours is with the Father and with His Son, Jesus Christ. 4We write these things so that our joy may be complete.

Walking in the Light
(John 8:12–29)

5And this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you: God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6If we say we have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. (You must walk in the light. In Jesus there is no darkness at all.)

8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.

The blood of Jesus His Son (God's Son) cleanses us from all sin.

That is enough and that is all that cleanses all those who with faith approach God our Father through the blood of Jesus. He alone has atoned for our sin. In fact, the sin of the entire world; but only those who accept Him are able to be forgiven.

Water washes dirt from our physical bodies, but only the blood of Jesus washes away our sin.

 

[Polar]

they are in desperation mode. they have been asked to back up their belief in specific ways, and they can not. so they come out on the attack mode.

Yes we know that water does not wash sin away. How could it? It is a physical element and the remedy is a spiritual one.

Lying is always a pathetic attempt at covering up sin. The shield of faith held up against the lies, shows both the lie and the liar, to be at odds with the word of God and in that light, the truth prevails.