Creflo Dollar repents of teaching on tithing???

[posthuman]

no, my theory is that we are not under the "law" nor was abraham, isaac, and jacob, and they still gave a tenth faithfully.

As far as i know Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils of war exactly once to Melchizadek, and i do not recall ever reading of Jacob or Isaac ever doing anything remotely similar to the tithe of the law to the Levites?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

As far as i know Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils of war exactly once to Melchizadek, and i do not recall ever reading of Jacob or Isaac ever doing anything remotely similar to the tithe of the law to the Levites?

genesis 28:
20 Then Jacob made a vow saying, “If God will be with me and watch over me on this way that I am going, and provide me food to eat and clothes to wear,
21 and I return in shalom to my father’s house, then ADONAI will be my God.
22 So this stone which I set up as a memorial stone will become God’s House, and of everything You provide me I will definitely give a tenth of it to You.”

 

[posthuman]

genesis 28:
20 Then Jacob made a vow saying, “If God will be with me and watch over me on this way that I am going, and provide me food to eat and clothes to wear,
21 and I return in shalom to my father’s house, then ADONAI will be my God.
22 So this stone which I set up as a memorial stone will become God’s House, and of everything You provide me I will definitely give a tenth of it to You.”

thanks!
i had forgotten that

similar to the case with Abraham and the spoils of the war he fought to rescue the inhabitants of Sodom, this is not a 'regular gift or offering' tho, like what is set aside in the law for the Levites.
this is a one time promise that "if" God will watch over him on the journey he is taking, he will give a tenth of it to God when his journey is over.

is the fulfillment of his oath to God here?

So that day Esau started on his way back to Seir. Jacob, however, went to Sukkoth, where he built a place for himself and made shelters for his livestock. That is why the place is called Sukkoth.​

After Jacob came from Paddan Aram, he arrived safely at the city of Shechem in Canaan and camped within sight of the city. For a hundred pieces of silver, he bought from the sons of Hamor, the father of Shechem, the plot of ground where he pitched his tent. There he set up an altar and called it El Elohe Israel.​

(Genesis 33:16-20)​

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this is after his journey. he set up an altar -- naturally we suppose on that altar he made sacrifices.
how much of his livestock and his produce did he sacrifice? a tenth of it?
if so then what Jacob did with this one-time "tithe" was devote it as burnt offerings, not as material support for the Levites nor as food for the poor, which is what the tithe of the law is. i don't see evidence that they regularly donated their flocks and the produce of their land to a priest.

 

[posthuman]

is the fulfillment of his oath to God here?

So that day Esau started on his way back to Seir. Jacob, however, went to Sukkoth, where he built a place for himself and made shelters for his livestock. That is why the place is called Sukkoth.After Jacob came from Paddan Aram, he arrived safely at the city of Shechem in Canaan and camped within sight of the city. For a hundred pieces of silver, he bought from the sons of Hamor, the father of Shechem, the plot of ground where he pitched his tent. There he set up an altar and called it El Elohe Israel.(Genesis 33:16-20)this is after his journey. he set up an altar -- naturally we suppose on that altar he made sacrifices.
how much of his livestock and his produce did he sacrifice? a tenth of it?
if so then what Jacob did with this one-time "tithe" was devote it as burnt offerings, not as material support for the Levites nor as food for the poor, which is what the tithe of the law is. i don't see evidence that they regularly donated their flocks and the produce of their land to a priest.

sorry, it would more likely be here:

Jacob and all the people with him came to Luz (that is, Bethel) in the land of Canaan. There he built an altar, and he called the place El Bethel, because it was there that God revealed himself to him when he was fleeing from his brother.​

(Genesis 35:6-7)​

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

sorry, it would more likely be here:

Jacob and all the people with him came to Luz (that is, Bethel) in the land of Canaan. There he built an altar, and he called the place El Bethel, because it was there that God revealed himself to him when he was fleeing from his brother.​

(Genesis 35:6-7)​

i really like the connection that after jacob made Adonai his God, then he offered a tenth. it seems like how it should be. i make you my God so i choose to offer you 10%

 

[Bluesproverb]

i really like the connection that after jacob made Adonai his God, then he offered a tenth. it seems like how it should be. i make you my God so i choose to offer you 10%

Why does God need money?🤔

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Why does God need money?🤔

it's the act of being faithful to God, not the actual gift that matters. but in a true setting, the money would be used for the poor and needy.

 

[posthuman]

Why does God need money?🤔

the tithe wasn't money. it was produce or livestock.

you could redeem your animals if you didn't want to tithe them, but then according to the law you must add 1/5 of how much the priest values them at.

so according to the law if someone tithes money, it is 12% not 10%

details are in Leviticus 27

 

[Nehemiah6]

If Dollar now says he's been teaching false doctrine all those years, what's he going to do with all the money he's made off of it?

Chances are there will be no reparations.

 

[Bluesproverb]

it's the act of being faithful to God, not the actual gift that matters. but in a true setting, the money would be used for the poor and needy.

Yes, we see the prosperity bunch proving that all the time . 😳 Sad. Contradiction in terms: rich preacher.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Yes, we see the prosperity bunch proving that all the time . 😳 Sad. Contradiction in terms: rich preacher.

it saddens me that God gave to us freely at His cost and many have turned around and created a monetary cost for a free Gift.

 

[posthuman]

it's the act of being faithful to God, not the actual gift that matters. but in a true setting, the money would be used for the poor and needy.

yes that is how the tithes of the law are designated. for the Levite because they have no inheritance, and used for the poor and needy in the land.

IMO the NT church doesn't "tithe" -- we give. i personally don't like to use the word tithe because it implies a legal obligation, and as Christians we aren't under an obligation or compulsion - we're simply not under the law.
when preachers go around talking about tithing the word itself makes the congregation think they are breaking a law if they don't pay this, like it's a bill.
God doesn't want us to think of our gifts as bills. He loves a cheerful giver - as much as we are moved in our hearts

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

yes that is how the tithes of the law are designated. for the Levite because they have no inheritance, and used for the poor and needy in the land.

IMO the NT church doesn't "tithe" -- we give. i personally don't like to use the word tithe because it implies a legal obligation, and as Christians we aren't under an obligation or compulsion - we're simply not under the law.
when preachers go around talking about tithing the word itself makes the congregation think they are breaking a law if they don't pay this, like it's a bill.
God doesn't want us to think of our gifts as bills. He loves a cheerful giver - as much as we are moved in our hearts

i agree with you all the way!

 

[gb9]

any time i see this kind of stuff, it reminds of a lyric from a 1980's country song by hank williams jr-

" there are some preachers on t v in suit and a tie and a vest, they want you to give your money to the Lord, and they give you their address".

 

[Willow]

This isn't surprising. Dollar's old material on tithing and prosperity must not be selling anymore so he has to find a new angle. Another "repentance" without actual repentance.

Maybe he'll change his name to Creflo Penny.

I am not a fan of his, have to say.

 

[ResidentAlien]

To whom it may concern: Give it your best shot. You'll never be able to make a convincing case for New Testament tithing. But good luck with that.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Praise God Justin Peters.. all I will say about that. Now "Creflo Dollar repents of teaching on tithing".. ok if he did or didn't means nothing to me. If he believes hes been teaching wrong praise God. The man does not sin against me. They way Christ gets treated (word of Faith) yeah in truth how we treat each other we are really treating Christ.. we don't like that yet its true. We tend to love those that preach believe like us. Yet since we can't see the heart and are to love each other as Christ loves us. We know He loves us since He never condemns us nor says a word when we get it wrong. We can do the same thing wrong every day and wow He makes sure we know He loves us...that right there has such a impact on us we repent. Yet we do not treat those that look different believe different as in doctrines that do not touch Christ as in salvation. Like Peters I disagree with the man but he loves Jesus Christ.. nothing else to say but.. in cases like this hes in the wrong.

Chris told a Church you are blind and naked this is how some are today. They believe they can see yet they are really blind. What does love see and when does love point out faults? What all this was posted because we love this man and believe hes in error so we did this to gather to pray as one because we truly love him? no some is just gossip since if we really cared we could just reach out to them and try to talk to them. Not here to offend but.. when such great mercy is shown to you.. to NOT do the same.. there is a great cost a price .. So I will show great mercy and grace and pray for them. No one sins against me lol. If I was in the wrong I would not want my family to talk behind my back and never reach out to me and try to help me.. what kind of love is that? In all my sins faults.. Christ never once gave up or left me nor ever made it public just loved me always no matter how dark it got.. He was always there let me know He loved me in that dark moment. yeah many times it was ONLY Him..no offense

Is it gossip to warn others of wolves among the flock?

Your viewpoint has some merit, but it seems to me you don't fully understand what we're up against. If he was an upstanding saint in a local church and made a slip, then yeah, try to reason with him. But you can't reason with a wolf who's been in the wolf business over 36 years and shows no sign of changing. All you can do is warn.

 

[Aaron56]

Would have been more sincere if he offered to buy back all the books and tapes he sold along with giving a free copy of his new book to anyone who wanted one.

 

[Edify]

If he was truly repentant the Spirit would be able to convict him of all the other false doctrines he teaches.
When people do this, it's usually because: 1. It's a trick to fool his followers even more. 2. It's because somebody is about to legally expose them for something they did.

Either way, it's a hypocritical act.

 

[Bluesproverb]

If he was truly repentant the Spirit would be able to convict him of all the other false doctrines he teaches.
When people do this, it's usually because: 1. It's a trick to fool his followers even more. 2. It's because somebody is about to legally expose them for something they did.

Either way, it's a hypocritical act.

In that one video I posted it sounded like there were very few parishioners in the pews. He said something that elisited amens and applause but that sounded very sparse. Sometimes they would show his congregation during the broadcast. Not so of late.


Maybe he's trying to cover for getting arrested in June for attacking his 15 year old daughter.