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Beckie

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Wonder how much health care would cost if the government was not involved? Health care cost pay bureaucrats .
 
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Wonder how much health care would cost if the government was not involved? Health care cost pay bureaucrats .
It really went crazy when Obama care went into effect.
But to be expected when the government gets involved.
 

Beckie

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How many federal agencies are truly needed?
 

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That sorta depends on how one reads stuff.

In Congress, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor


No where in the document will you find slavery to be acceptable.
 

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Race and the Constitution

The argument that the Constitution is racist suffers from one fatal flaw: the concept of race does not exist in the Constitution. Nowhere in the Constitution—or in the Declaration of Independence, for that matter—are human beings classified according to race, skin color, or ethnicity (nor, one should add, sex, religion, or any other of the left’s favored groupings). Our founding principles are colorblind (although our history, regrettably, has not been).

Has these documents been followed as written slavery would have never been.
 
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RichMan

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Race and the Constitution

The argument that the Constitution is racist suffers from one fatal flaw: the concept of race does not exist in the Constitution. Nowhere in the Constitution—or in the Declaration of Independence, for that matter—are human beings classified according to race, skin color, or ethnicity (nor, one should add, sex, religion, or any other of the left’s favored groupings). Our founding principles are colorblind (although our history, regrettably, has not been).

Has these documents been followed as written slavery would have never been.
And this just shows us the danger of ignoring the constitution.
Nothing good ever comes from ignoring the constitution.
 

Beckie

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We do the same thing to the Scriptures as has been done to these documents .
 

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I sat here for an hour last night trying to come up with a response because people do in fact deserve facts. But the deeper I dug the more ridiculous it became.
Here I can help you....
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JTB

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the facts I need is to support your argument is that abortion is a necessary evil, that seems to be your position?
Clearly you are not reading to comprehend. And that would apply to any facts I put forth, so why bother?
 

JTB

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All of these issues some of which I do see as a problem like the "affordability of health care" cannot be used to justify abortion, do you understand that?
Yes. I do.

I'm not saying abortions should be accessible because health care is not.

I'm saying health care should be accessible to support those not aborting.

Do you understand that... now?

(And now let's hear the comment about liberal talking points from the peanut gallery)
 

JTB

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I am sure this has already been pointed out.
This decision does not outlaw or stop the murder of babies.
The court just said your right to do so is not guarantied in the constitution.
It is still legal in most states.
Pregnancy is very easy to prevent.
Agreed!

With the caveat that the number of states outlawing it is large and growing.
 
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Agreed!

With the caveat that the number of states outlawing it is large and growing.
ALL should be outlawed.
God gives life and only God should end life.
 

JTB

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Stop with the whining and get a job!
Stop blaming others for your problems.
Your statement is not only a lie but is stupid.
I was born in poverty. Left school at 14 to support myself.
Worked 45 years in a grocery store. 40 hours a week.
Raised and educated 2 kids.
Bought a home. Took my kids on vacation every year.
Retired at 60 with a very good income. A retirement home on 187 acres that is paid for.
And by the way, I attended a local church every Sunday and gave 10% of my income to the work of that church.
Most people are poor because of their own doing.
I see it every time I go shopping.
Use those food stamps for food while buying beer, tobacco, and junk food while talking on $300 cell phones.
People like you are the problem.
I do not owe you anything and it angers me that you probably are living off my taxes.
You have a great success story and I am glad you were able to raise your situation above your meager beginnings. Kudos!

But not everyone is so ... I'll say lucky but that's not the best term for it.

My older brother has worked very, very hard to do what you have done. But now at age 70 he's about to go live in his car because he wasn't so 'lucky'. Despite his hard work and effort.

I am like you, I did what it took to secure a good job, good pay, a good retirement, good property. I have been 'lucky' and blessed. But I don't use that to point at my bro and ask wt# is your problem. I look at him and think, there, but for the grace of God, go I.
 

JTB

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ALL should be outlawed.
God gives life and only God should end life.
Agreed.

But God also says we are to help the sick and poor - not the lazy, but the poor.

And those who are codifying forced birth are also codifying poverty and sickness for all but the top.
 
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You have a great success story and I am glad you were able to raise your situation above your meager beginnings. Kudos!

But not everyone is so ... I'll say lucky but that's not the best term for it.

My older brother has worked very, very hard to do what you have done. But now at age 70 he's about to go live in his car because he wasn't so 'lucky'. Despite his hard work and effort.

I am like you, I did what it took to secure a good job, good pay, a good retirement, good property. I have been 'lucky' and blessed. But I don't use that to point at my bro and ask wt# is your problem. I look at him and think, there, but for the grace of God, go I.
I disagree it was luck.
God gave me the opportunity and I took full advantage of it.
I have seen many who had the same opportunity I had waste it. Some even just walked away.
Some lived for today and never planned for the future.
I understand that time and circumstance sometimes works against us, but most who live in poverty is of their own bad decisions.
It is not my responsibility to bail them out.
It is not the government's job to reward bad decisions.
I will help all who are in need if it is not their on doing.
As for your brother, should you not take him into your home?
I would and have done so with family in the past.
 

JTB

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I disagree it was luck.
God gave me the opportunity and I took full advantage of it.
I have seen many who had the same opportunity I had waste it. Some even just walked away.
Some lived for today and never planned for the future.
I understand that time and circumstance sometimes works against us, but most who live in poverty is of their own bad decisions.
It is not my responsibility to bail them out.
It is not the government's job to reward bad decisions.
I will help all who are in need if it is not their on doing.
As for your brother, should you not take him into your home?
I would and have done so with family in the past.
I've seen many who work hard and succeed.

I've seen many who work hard and fail.

You can't convince me that luck or it's variants don't have some degree to do with it. Dumb luck had a part to play in my success, and I'm smart enough to recognize it.

My brother won't come into our home. He is of the opinion that he sinks or swims on his own. Commendable, but not always smart.

And we wouldn't need to bail so many out if we didn't allow 1% of the population to horde 90% of our resources.

(Do I really have to show you book on that or are you situationally aware enough to know that already?)