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In all your human reasoning… you still have not understood God’s Grace….when you read all the scriptures you quoted…humble yourself as a child and ask HIM for understanding as to what He was saying.
Paul says in (Colo. 1:22-23) (v.22) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: (v.23) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settle, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.
You must continue in the faith and not be moved by the cares of the world. It’s more than confessing the name of Jesus, salvation is a work in progress you must take it one day at a time. It is a sad thing to believe that once you say that you believe on Christ your journey is done. You have only taken the first steps toward learning about the true and living God.
Paul says in (Heb. 3:14) For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; You must believe in what you are doing that’s what faith is, you most be confident unto the end. You must keep God’s law until death or until the coming of the Lord, if you expect salvation.
You really don't understand Ezekiel 36 and how it goes with Matthew 11:28-30, John 15:5 and John 3:27???
How in the world can you ARGUE with anyone about conditional or unconditional salvation if you don't understand these very SIMPLE concepts?
Come to me... All you who are weary and heavy laden... I don't see how it can be more simple than that.
Is your first language english? Maybe there's a language barrier?
How in the world can you ARGUE with anyone about conditional or unconditional salvation if you don't understand these very SIMPLE concepts?
Come to me... All you who are weary and heavy laden... I don't see how it can be more simple than that.
Is your first language english? Maybe there's a language barrier?
Faith IN THE WORKS OF CHRIST for me, NOT faith in any of my works.
Jesus Christ already kept the Law for me even unto death….I simply believe in HIS WORKS for me and praise Him and give Him ALL the glory and love Himwith all my heart, mind body and soul and strength.
The good works I do now that are pleasing in His sight are NOT for salvation but for His Kingdom and for His glory and He rewards us treasures in Heaven that are separate from the GIFT of eternal life.
Jesus Christ already kept the Law for me even unto death….I simply believe in HIS WORKS for me and praise Him and give Him ALL the glory and love Himwith all my heart, mind body and soul and strength.
The good works I do now that are pleasing in His sight are NOT for salvation but for His Kingdom and for His glory and He rewards us treasures in Heaven that are separate from the GIFT of eternal life.
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FreeGrace2 said:
I've already given evidence that unbelievers CAN understand the gospel.
I have READ articles in magazines such as Time and Newsweek that were about religion, and the writer described the gospel biblically accurately yet was clear in the article that they didn't believe it.
So please don't think you can trump me with your guesswork. Apparently you aren't well read.
What you haven't done is prove that the gospel is spiritual information. The promise to unbelievers is about trust. Trusting what God promises. Salvation through trust in what His Son did for them on the cross. How is that spiritual?
I've already given evidence that unbelievers CAN understand the gospel.
I have READ articles in magazines such as Time and Newsweek that were about religion, and the writer described the gospel biblically accurately yet was clear in the article that they didn't believe it.
So please don't think you can trump me with your guesswork. Apparently you aren't well read.
What you haven't done is prove that the gospel is spiritual information. The promise to unbelievers is about trust. Trusting what God promises. Salvation through trust in what His Son did for them on the cross. How is that spiritual?
FreeGrace2 said:
Wow. So then, one is saved by their lifestyle. That is what you are agreeing to. Both of you.
But, just to be clear, could either of you explain how one "receives the new"? Sounds rather obtuse. Can anyone clear that up?
Thanks.
This doesn't answer the question about HOW one "receives the new".
Neither does this verse.
OK, the word "receive" is in this sentence. But it doesn't answer my question.
You really seem incapable of answering my question!
However, your opinion of what I don't understand is seriously lacking in FACTS.
Ezek 36 is a description of what regeneration IS. I don't see how John 15:5 relates to regeneration, since Jesus was speaking about being IN fellowship with Him in order to bear fruit. That's not regeneration.
Ha. The actual "simple concept" of eternal security was laid out by the Lord Jesus Himself. But go ahead and NOT believe Him.
In John 3:15,16, 5:24, 6:40 and 47 Jesus SAID that believers possess (have) eternal life.
In John 10:28, Jesus SAID that recipients of eternal life (possessors) shall never perish.
Those who will connect these very close dots will realize that the promise of never perishing begins the MOMENT one becomes a believer. This isn't even close to arguable.
And you know full well that there are NO verses that in plain words communicate that salvation can be lost. None of the verses you keep falling back on say it. You have to presume that the verses mean it, even though none of them say it.
John 10:28 SAYS it. Plainly. Clearly. Straightforward. The only question about 10:28 is to WHOM Jesus gives eternal life. And that was previously answered in Jn 3:15,16, 5:24, 6:40,47. Is that enough verses for you? I get charged with what they call my "single verse doctrine". Well, I've just given you 6 verses that prove what I believe. Meditate on that.
Well, why don't you finish what He said? What you quoted has no real meaning. It's just a request. Only when you ADD the rest of what Jesus said does one realize the PROMISE for those who do come to Him for rest.
Are you the one having problems with reading English?? Maybe English isn't yours. Anyone who reads my posts knows full well that my posts are articulate and clear.
I think you are giving yourself away.
Wow. So then, one is saved by their lifestyle. That is what you are agreeing to. Both of you.
But, just to be clear, could either of you explain how one "receives the new"? Sounds rather obtuse. Can anyone clear that up?
Thanks.
This doesn't answer the question about HOW one "receives the new".
Neither does this verse.
OK, the word "receive" is in this sentence. But it doesn't answer my question.
You really seem incapable of answering my question!
However, your opinion of what I don't understand is seriously lacking in FACTS.
Ezek 36 is a description of what regeneration IS. I don't see how John 15:5 relates to regeneration, since Jesus was speaking about being IN fellowship with Him in order to bear fruit. That's not regeneration.
Ha. The actual "simple concept" of eternal security was laid out by the Lord Jesus Himself. But go ahead and NOT believe Him.
In John 3:15,16, 5:24, 6:40 and 47 Jesus SAID that believers possess (have) eternal life.
In John 10:28, Jesus SAID that recipients of eternal life (possessors) shall never perish.
Those who will connect these very close dots will realize that the promise of never perishing begins the MOMENT one becomes a believer. This isn't even close to arguable.
And you know full well that there are NO verses that in plain words communicate that salvation can be lost. None of the verses you keep falling back on say it. You have to presume that the verses mean it, even though none of them say it.
John 10:28 SAYS it. Plainly. Clearly. Straightforward. The only question about 10:28 is to WHOM Jesus gives eternal life. And that was previously answered in Jn 3:15,16, 5:24, 6:40,47. Is that enough verses for you? I get charged with what they call my "single verse doctrine". Well, I've just given you 6 verses that prove what I believe. Meditate on that.
Well, why don't you finish what He said? What you quoted has no real meaning. It's just a request. Only when you ADD the rest of what Jesus said does one realize the PROMISE for those who do come to Him for rest.
Are you the one having problems with reading English?? Maybe English isn't yours. Anyone who reads my posts knows full well that my posts are articulate and clear.
I think you are giving yourself away.
I think you are getting mixed up in your head.
I never said anything about Salvation being lost.
You are getting me confused with the 2 posters you were talking to before me. I was agreeing with you and showing Romans 7 as the reason why they were wrong.
Then I showed Matthew 11:28-30 as the answer to your question. But you didn't understand it. Or rejected it. Which showed me that you have no real knowledge of what you are talking about.
This last post of yours is even worse. I don't really have any idea what you are addressing here. But it definitely is not from one of my posts. Or if it is, its a bad misunderstanding that I would be happy to clear up, if I knew what part you were addressing.
I never said anything about Salvation being lost.
You are getting me confused with the 2 posters you were talking to before me. I was agreeing with you and showing Romans 7 as the reason why they were wrong.
Then I showed Matthew 11:28-30 as the answer to your question. But you didn't understand it. Or rejected it. Which showed me that you have no real knowledge of what you are talking about.
This last post of yours is even worse. I don't really have any idea what you are addressing here. But it definitely is not from one of my posts. Or if it is, its a bad misunderstanding that I would be happy to clear up, if I knew what part you were addressing.
During the 33 1/2 years that Jesus Christ was on this Earth, He fulfilled ALL that was written in the Law and the Prophets concerning Him....
Born of a virgin in Bethlehem; a man of sorrows; the spirit of Elijah came in John the Baptist as a voice crying in the wilderness "prepare the way of the Lord"; Jesus Christ was born in a manger as the Lamb of God; on the 8th day He was circumcised according to the Law; at the age of 12 He was found in the Temple teaching because at the age of 12 Hebrew boys were to be about their Father's business; at the age of 30 He was water baptized by John the Baptist so that He (Jesus) might fulfill ALL righteousness.....
All these fulfillments of prophecy and law were actual "works" or "acts" that were being literally recorded in the Body of Jesus Christ. He was already righteous but was recording all these righteous "works/acts" for US! He knew we could receive His Blood to take our sin away and receive His Body with ALL the righteous works fulfilled in it... it was ALL for US!
Prior to His final "Passover" with His disciples, Jesus went up to the Mount of Transfiguration where He met with Moses and Elijah so that Jesus could be examined by the Law and the Prophets to determine if in His Body ALL that was written had been fulfilled.
Jesus Christ was transfigured and became full of light. He passed His examination. There was only one last "work/act" that needed to be recorded in His Body..... the shedding of His Blood being poured out and the death of His Body for us.
Well, we all know He did it!!! He truly was the Perfect Lamb of God that takes away ALL our sins and His Body is the Human Fulfillment of the Law for us. His sacrifice was accepted because He rose from the dead!! Hallelujah!! Our Savior LIVES!!! and we shall live also in Him!!!
There are NO LONGER ANY WORKS that we must do for salvation except believe in Jesus Christ and receive all that He has done for us.
The good works we do now are NOT for our salvation but for the Kingdom of God and for rewards in Heaven and so that we are pleasing in God's sight and a blessing to others and ourselves.
We are to be filled with the Holy Spirit and learn God's ways and finish our race of faith... like Abraham, we shall die believing in the promises of God knowing that He is faithful to all that He has promised, amen.
Born of a virgin in Bethlehem; a man of sorrows; the spirit of Elijah came in John the Baptist as a voice crying in the wilderness "prepare the way of the Lord"; Jesus Christ was born in a manger as the Lamb of God; on the 8th day He was circumcised according to the Law; at the age of 12 He was found in the Temple teaching because at the age of 12 Hebrew boys were to be about their Father's business; at the age of 30 He was water baptized by John the Baptist so that He (Jesus) might fulfill ALL righteousness.....
All these fulfillments of prophecy and law were actual "works" or "acts" that were being literally recorded in the Body of Jesus Christ. He was already righteous but was recording all these righteous "works/acts" for US! He knew we could receive His Blood to take our sin away and receive His Body with ALL the righteous works fulfilled in it... it was ALL for US!
Prior to His final "Passover" with His disciples, Jesus went up to the Mount of Transfiguration where He met with Moses and Elijah so that Jesus could be examined by the Law and the Prophets to determine if in His Body ALL that was written had been fulfilled.
Jesus Christ was transfigured and became full of light. He passed His examination. There was only one last "work/act" that needed to be recorded in His Body..... the shedding of His Blood being poured out and the death of His Body for us.
Well, we all know He did it!!! He truly was the Perfect Lamb of God that takes away ALL our sins and His Body is the Human Fulfillment of the Law for us. His sacrifice was accepted because He rose from the dead!! Hallelujah!! Our Savior LIVES!!! and we shall live also in Him!!!
There are NO LONGER ANY WORKS that we must do for salvation except believe in Jesus Christ and receive all that He has done for us.
The good works we do now are NOT for our salvation but for the Kingdom of God and for rewards in Heaven and so that we are pleasing in God's sight and a blessing to others and ourselves.
We are to be filled with the Holy Spirit and learn God's ways and finish our race of faith... like Abraham, we shall die believing in the promises of God knowing that He is faithful to all that He has promised, amen.
But He did not fulfill the role of King on earth for He came as a humble servant and that is what He will do in the millennial reign of Christ.
FreeGrace2 said:
btw, no one is saved "by the blood of Jesus". There are no verses that say this.
And this verse doesn't say that anyone is saved by the shedding of blood either. "remission" means 'forgive'. iow, there is no forgiveness apart from a death. That does not say or mean that Christ's death saves anyone.
When Jesus died on the cross for our sins, He paid the sin debt. iow, no one is held accountable for sins, and no one goes to hell for their sins. No one pays for their own sins. That would be double jeopardy.
2 Cor 5:19 - that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
This verse shows that God does NOT count people's sins against them.
So, why will people be cast into the lake of fire after the GWT judgment?
btw, no one is saved "by the blood of Jesus". There are no verses that say this.
And this verse doesn't say that anyone is saved by the shedding of blood either. "remission" means 'forgive'. iow, there is no forgiveness apart from a death. That does not say or mean that Christ's death saves anyone.
When Jesus died on the cross for our sins, He paid the sin debt. iow, no one is held accountable for sins, and no one goes to hell for their sins. No one pays for their own sins. That would be double jeopardy.
2 Cor 5:19 - that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
This verse shows that God does NOT count people's sins against them.
So, why will people be cast into the lake of fire after the GWT judgment?
FreeGrace2 said:
Don't be foolish. I placed my faith in the finished work of Jesus on the cross when I was about 7 y/o.
Don't be foolish. I placed my faith in the finished work of Jesus on the cross when I was about 7 y/o.
I am glad that you willfully chose to place your faith in Jesus.
Why are you Calvinists so snarky? There is nothing about "willfully choosing". What does that even mean?
Everyone makes choices from within themselves. You can call that "willful" or something else. So what?
Usually, people use the word "willful" in association with rebelling against orders or commands. Don't use it with making a choice to receive what God offers.
Great verse. Now, can you explain what "doeth truth" means, and how to DO it?
Why are you Calvinists so snarky? There is nothing about "willfully choosing". What does that even mean?
Everyone makes choices from within themselves. You can call that "willful" or something else. So what?
Usually, people use the word "willful" in association with rebelling against orders or commands. Don't use it with making a choice to receive what God offers.
Great verse. Now, can you explain what "doeth truth" means, and how to DO it?
Cute. But rather snarky. How often do you read through the NT? I've been doing it for 2 decades.
Why would the Bible have to specifically say that unbelievers CAN understand the gospel, just to satisfy your resistance to truth?
Titus 2:11 gives us clear teaching that unbelievers CAN. God's grace offers salvation to everyone.
If you can't see that everyone is able to understand the gospel message, then you should just try to keep up and read through the NT monthly, as I have been doing.
It may take you one whole decade, but it will be worth it.
Why would the Bible have to specifically say that unbelievers CAN understand the gospel, just to satisfy your resistance to truth?
Titus 2:11 gives us clear teaching that unbelievers CAN. God's grace offers salvation to everyone.
If you can't see that everyone is able to understand the gospel message, then you should just try to keep up and read through the NT monthly, as I have been doing.
It may take you one whole decade, but it will be worth it.
J
Man, am I ever glad that the first time I heard the gospel, I believed it. Though I wasn't looking for God. It pierced my heart like a sword!
Once saved, always saved? For me, it's true. I don't know about you.
"And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day." - John 6:39
Once saved, always saved? For me, it's true. I don't know about you.
"And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day." - John 6:39
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