Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

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Peter is warning them that when they have committed a sin they should repent of it to avoid being perished (losing their fellowship with God) Peter also includes himself in his warning by using the word "usward".

That sounds very Roman Catholic, are you ex-R.C.?

Which is it? Avoid perishing or losing fellowship with God?

 

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Not physical save, why Jesus promise physical save, for the last 2000 years every body die, Jesus promise spiritual salvation

The last I checked we are not yet in the Great Tribulation.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Why don't you just believe what Jesus said in Johh 10:28. There are NO conditions placed on RECIPIENTS of eternal life.

Why don't you believe the rest of the Bible instead of latching on to one verse and stopping your ears and shutting your eyes?

So you apparently believe that the Bible is internally contradicted then. Wow. That is heresy. That one verse explains clearly that once given the gift of eternal life, the recipient shall never perish.

So that means that ALL the verses you "think" are about how to lose salvation CAN'T be. Unless you are comfortable with the Bible being
internally contradicted.

And what's worse, it would be Jesus Himself who contradicted Himself. Are you man enough to admit that?

Bulldookey. How can a person be simultaneously "fallen away" from Christ and continue to "abide in" Christ?

I never said anyone could. These are opposite conditions. To "abide in Christ" is about having fellowship with Him. To "fall away" means NO fellowship with Him. None of this is about salvation.

You are teaching that a Christian who "falls away" from Christ and becomes an impenitent serial killer will go to heaven,

Let me ask you; why is being a "serial killer" relevant to this? Do you believe that Jesus didn't include murder in the sins He died for?

Jesus was clear in John 10:28. Those given eternal life, which is explained in John 5:24 as WHEN they believe, shall never perish.

But you don't accept that clear message. You are directly in conflict with Jesus' own words. Are you comfortable with that?

but with fewer jewels in his crown.

The Bible is very clear about eternal reward. Do you reject that teaching as well?

If that isn't the most convoluted, asinine, blasphemous, naive interpretation of "grace", there is no other such.

Actually, it is YOUR view about losing salvation, heaven is the only reward, etc that fits your description above.

Anyway, you have given clear biblical doctrines all those descriptives you listed here. Comfortable with that?

Why can't you in the OSAS crowd see when someone points out how blind Satan has made you?

Rather, Satan prowls around, seeking someone to devour. And that would be the man in YOUR mirror. He wants believers to have NO assurance, no security. That is nothing less than NO FAITH in the finished work of Christ. As if you can do anything that will result in negating what Christ did for YOU on the cross.

No, it is YOUR view of salvation being unconditional

you really miss all of my points. Salvation IS conditional. It is conditional on faith in Christ.

Once saved, the believer POSSESSES eternal life, according to Jesus in John 5:24. And in 10:28 He SAYS that recipients of eternal life shall never perish.

So, Jesus clarified completely what eternal security is; it is being given eternal life. And on THAT basis, the recipient shall never perish.

Anyone who thinks differently is in direct conflict with Jesus Himself.

Be honest, that's why the OSAS crowd so desperately desires that OSAS License to Sin, right?

I am being honest. I can't speak for knuckleheads, but the so-called "licence to sin" nonsense comes from one's human nature.

Those who believe that their salvation can be lost STILL have their human natures and they STiLL sin, per 1 John 1:8-10.

Because they can't see how anyone could love Jesus enough to keep His commandments, right?

Those who believe that their ability to love Jesus enough to "keep His commandments" (whatever that really means) is deceived by Satan. Paul made very clear that NO ONE can keep the commandments. Not even the OT Jews could. And that was the point of the commandments. To prove they needed a Savior to save them.

If your salvation depends on YOUR efforts, YOUR continued faith, etc, then you AREN'T depending on the FINISHED WORK of Christ.

They don't want to accept the sinner must CHOOSE to love God and forsake Satan as the betrothed must CHOOSE to love one another and forsake all others, right?

Wrong.

You know who finds such a commitment reprehensible? That batchelor sitting in audience, eyeing the bridesmaids.

Irrelevant to the discussion. But you need some kind of distraction, since you know you can't argue against John 10:28, so you just ignore it as though it didn't exist.

But it DOES exist. And they are Jesus' own words. Which you have boldly rejected by all you post.

How can any believer claim they are "walking in the light" (1 John 1) while at the SAME TIME they reject the clear teaching of eternal security in John 10:28?

 

[FreeGrace2]

The last I checked we are not yet in the Great Tribulation.

You might want to read Revelation 6, beginning with the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse.

 

[Jackson123]

It’s a fulfillment of this promise to Abraham/Abram

Genesis 12:3a
[3] And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse…”

You not answer my question
Do you believe there is salvation out of Jesus as long as they do Matt 25:34-36.?

 

[Jackson123]

I never said anyone could. These are opposite conditions. To "abide in Christ" is about having fellowship with Him. To "fall away" means NO fellowship with Him. None of this is about salvation.

It imply that salvation don't need fellowship
Hmm you need give a verse that say that

 

[Jackson123]

The last I checked we are not yet in the Great Tribulation.

And who that endure( not worship the beast) guaranty physical salvation?

Read what bible say
Rev 13
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Do you agree with this verse?
What the word killed in this verse mean?

 

[Jackson123]

John 15:6
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Some believe "cast them into the fire" in this verse mean still go to heaven but into fire
Is there part of heaven wit eternal fire
If there any, why don't we call it hell
Why people twist the Bible to create their own doctrine
Why don't just believe like it is?

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
I never said anyone could. These are opposite conditions. To "abide in Christ" is about having fellowship with Him. To "fall away" means NO fellowship with Him. None of this is about salvation.

It imply that salvation don't need fellowship

You severely misunderstand. Absolutely believers NEED to be IN fellowship with the Lord. For blessings, eternal reward, and bearing fruit. Isn't that important?

Hmm you need give a verse that say that

Eh, speaking of which, you don't have a verse that plainly says that salvation can be lost. So why should anyone believe that?

I, otoh, DO have a verse that plainly explains that recipients of eternal life shall never perish. And a verse that plainly explains WHEN a person possesses eternal life: the moment of belief.

You can't refute either verse, nor have you even tried to explain how they don't mean what I believe they mean.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Read what bible say

Why don't YOU? John 5:24 tells us WHEN a person possesses eternal life.
John 10:28 tells us the result of possessing eternal life.

And yet you keep rejecting both verses by all your posts.

 

[FreeGrace2]

John 15:6
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Some believe "cast them into the fire" in this verse mean still go to heaven but into fire
Is there part of heaven wit eternal fire
If there any, why don't we call it hell
Why people twist the Bible to create their own doctrine
Why don't just believe like it is?

Seems you are quickly forgetting 1 Cor 3:14,15 where "fire" is used of God's judgment of the believer's works. And even though some (or many) believers have works of wood, hay, and stubble, will be burned up (in fire), the believer is STILL saved.

So all your posts about ceasing to believe, horrible sins, etc show that you believe that lifestyle is what ultimately saves you.

So you are trusting in yourself for salvation. So, next time you find yourself in front of a mirror, just say "hi savior".

 

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You might want to read Revelation 6, beginning with the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse.

From my understanding, that isn't the G.T., it's just the prelude. Chap 8 starts the real zinger. especially vs.7.

In any case, I doubt Jackson sees either as the GT.

 

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You not answer my question
Do you believe there is salvation out of Jesus as long as they do Matt 25:34-36.?

Jesus is salvation. He changes hearts and lives.

 

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And who that endure( not worship the beast) guaranty physical salvation?

Read what bible say
Rev 13
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Do you agree with this verse?
What the word killed in this verse mean?

I believe the Church will be raptured before/during the GT, so we won't be here.

 

[Jackson123]

Seems you are quickly forgetting 1 Cor 3:14,15 where "fire" is used of God's judgment of the believer's works. And even though some (or many) believers have works of wood, hay, and stubble, will be burned up (in fire), the believer is STILL saved.

So all your posts about ceasing to believe, horrible sins, etc show that you believe that lifestyle is what ultimately saves you.

So you are trusting in yourself for salvation. So, next time you find yourself in front of a mirror, just say "hi savior".

1 cor 3
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

What the meaning of " every man work " in this verse
Say you are missionary work in Muslim country to preach the gospel,
You convert 100 man
Those 100 is every man work.

Muslim come to persecute your church

This persecution is fire, so in this verse don't mean hell

Than 70 of your member deny Jesus and back to Muslim

That 70 are burn

30 endure and killed,

Those 30 lost his life but go to heaven, not burn

You save not go to hell because not deny Jesus
, you save but not much reward, in this verse state he save, not into fire
So the builder in this story not into fire
John 15 story is different

Did it say the branch save in john 15:6
No it say into fire

And you think into fire =save

 

[Jackson123]

Jesus is salvation. He changes hearts and lives.

I don't understand
Do you believe people in Matt 25 are non Christian but Jesus saved you without ever being Christian?

 

[Jackson123]

I believe the Church will be raptured before/during the GT, so we won't be here.

Then who that people that killed because not worship the beast? Non Christian?

 

[FreeGrace2]

From my understanding, that isn't the G.T., it's just the prelude. Chap 8 starts the real zinger. especially vs.7.

In any case, I doubt Jackson sees either as the GT.

There are 3 sets of God's wrath; 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 bowls. I see the white horse as the beginning of God's wrath on the earth.

And you are most likely right about what Jackson sees, or doesn't see.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Jesus is salvation. He changes hearts and lives.

Where does Jesus say, "if you quit believing in Me, I'll quit saving you"?

 

[Jackson123]

Where does Jesus say, "if you quit believing in Me, I'll quit saving you"?

Do you believe after accept Jesus than keep the faith for an hour, and quit for the rest of your life still save because no verse say when you quit believe Jesus quit save you?