Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation
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Believing some time create a work
Example Noah believe God that He will flood the earth than he work ten thousand hours to build an ark
Let me repeat what the Bible say
Eternal security has requirement and what are there
1. Believe in Jesus (john 3:16)
2. Endure to the end (Matt 24:13)
Not believe a second than deny for the rest of your life
If you believe than die on the next second, yes you save because you endure to the end, though in this case only a second
If you believe for a second and you still life for ten years but you only believe in a second or hour than deny for the rest of your life till die, you will denied by the Son infront of His Father and not save
Eternal security has requirement and what are there
1. Believe in Jesus (john 3:16)
2. Endure to the end (Matt 24:13)
Not believe a second than deny for the rest of your life
If you believe than die on the next second, yes you save because you endure to the end, though in this case only a second
If you believe for a second and you still life for ten years but you only believe in a second or hour than deny for the rest of your life till die, you will denied by the Son infront of His Father and not save
There are two sets of commandments to pick from.
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1) The law
Exodus 20
The ten commandments.
2) The commandments Jesus gave.
1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
One set of commandments grants death and the other set grants life eternal.
You quote from John's first letter often but for some strange reason. You never quote the two commandments in John's first letter.
Why is that?
The obvious answer.
The New Testament will not condense into; by grace through faith plus the law.
Grace and law do not mix. It is one or the other.
Romans 6:14
For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under the Law but under grace.
Romans 6:15
What then? Are we to sin because we are not under the Law but under grace?
Definition of law
the system of rules which a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and which it may enforce by the imposition of penalties.
"they were taken to court for breaking the law"
Let not confuse about terminology in the Bible and in secular world
I believe when Paul say law mean OT rule
NT also have a rule. Or set of rule
The new rule to be save is by believe in Jesus
Let see what believe in Jesus mean
V 21 imply believe in Jesus mean believe in His teaching
His teaching documented in New Testament
Basically doing His Father will to love His son and other
By definition NT is also law, but not the same as OT, for example no more animal sacrifice etc
New commandment/law
Matt 13
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Read full chapter
Matt 7
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Say we save by grace through faith
This is rule or law, but not OT law
Seem to me by grace not mean we can do what ever we want and still save
Jesus will refuse evildoer from heaven Matt 7
And according to Jesus, a lot of people surprise, they think they go to heaven and try to remind Jesus, don't you remember I do this or that that make me to heaven
Jesus say no, I never know you evildoer
What is evildoer
I believe evildoer is what ever we do that is without love
Why I think that way
Because Jesus new law is to love(Matt 13:34)
If the definition of law is rule, than we still under law, but not OT law it is new law, law of love
the system of rules which a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and which it may enforce by the imposition of penalties.
"they were taken to court for breaking the law"
Let not confuse about terminology in the Bible and in secular world
I believe when Paul say law mean OT rule
NT also have a rule. Or set of rule
The new rule to be save is by believe in Jesus
Let see what believe in Jesus mean
V 21 imply believe in Jesus mean believe in His teaching
His teaching documented in New Testament
Basically doing His Father will to love His son and other
By definition NT is also law, but not the same as OT, for example no more animal sacrifice etc
New commandment/law
Matt 13
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Read full chapter
Matt 7
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Say we save by grace through faith
This is rule or law, but not OT law
Seem to me by grace not mean we can do what ever we want and still save
Jesus will refuse evildoer from heaven Matt 7
And according to Jesus, a lot of people surprise, they think they go to heaven and try to remind Jesus, don't you remember I do this or that that make me to heaven
Jesus say no, I never know you evildoer
What is evildoer
I believe evildoer is what ever we do that is without love
Why I think that way
Because Jesus new law is to love(Matt 13:34)
If the definition of law is rule, than we still under law, but not OT law it is new law, law of love
We not under law
Is that mean lawless, ok to kill, steal etc?
No, it mean not under OT law but yes under NT law, law to love other
Love cover a lot of thing
For example love not kill, you not kill you
love one or steal from etc
Is that mean lawless, ok to kill, steal etc?
No, it mean not under OT law but yes under NT law, law to love other
Love cover a lot of thing
For example love not kill, you not kill you
love one or steal from etc
Is NT law easier than OT law?
Physically yes, no more animal sacrifice, sabbath law but mentally no
In NT law all we do must love
In OT law we can do animal sacrifice without love
NT law, only can do by Jesus
Only Jesus capable doing agape love
So for doing NT law we need invite Jesus into our heart
Physically yes, no more animal sacrifice, sabbath law but mentally no
In NT law all we do must love
In OT law we can do animal sacrifice without love
NT law, only can do by Jesus
Only Jesus capable doing agape love
So for doing NT law we need invite Jesus into our heart
When Paul say salvation not by work, mean not by doing OT law
But by NT law, faith or do what Jesus teach or trust in His teaching
His teaching is to love other
In other word if you don't have love, you don't have faith and not save
But by NT law, faith or do what Jesus teach or trust in His teaching
His teaching is to love other
In other word if you don't have love, you don't have faith and not save
FreeGrace2 said:
You are just proving that you are totally confused about a whole lot of things.
The most egregious is claiming you believe what Jesus said in John 10:28, which IS about eternal security, and you believe that John 15 is about loss of salvation.
Totally incompatible.
You are just proving that you are totally confused about a whole lot of things.
Every response to my posts.
The most egregious is claiming you believe what Jesus said in John 10:28, which IS about eternal security, and you believe that John 15 is about loss of salvation.
Totally incompatible.
The ONLY requirement for possessing eternal life is to believe in Jesus Christ for salvation. John 5:24 says exactly that.
So basically, you believe that you are helping Jesus save you by your endurance. Really?
Sure. Help Jesus save your soul. Maybe He needs a lot of help with your salvation.
Pitiful.
Do you realize that no one "believes for a second"? So you are just flogging your red herring.
All your responses here demonstrate your contradiction. You claim to believe John 10:28 but non of your posts indicate that you do. In fact, all of your posts demonstrate the exact opposite: that you believe that salvation can be lost.
Incompatible with what?
Eternal security happen after we follow Matt 24:13
Endure to the end mean endure to the end of our life
Not believe in an hour and deny Jesus for the rest of our life
So the people that don't agree with Jesus should be you not me
Bible or Jesus teaching not only one verse if so we only half page more than enough
Endure is His command, do you help Jesus for your salvation by believe His teaching?
Hmm you accusation back to you
Let me make sure I understand your believe
To be save must believe to the end of your life or half of your life or 10 years than stop believe still save
I think OSAS is confusing
It contradict Matt 24:13
Yes you salvation secure if you keepin your faith
Stop believe stop salvation
It contradict Matt 24:13
Yes you salvation secure if you keepin your faith
Stop believe stop salvation
I have delved into what some works are many times. Of course believing isa work as long as it leads to action. Before you think otherwise, simply praying is works, waiting onthe Lord is works, anythiing or action for our Father is a work.
Yep, and this also work
Matt 7
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Doing evil is work but this work lead you to hell
And this also work
Matt 25
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
Hmm hell or heaven depend on work?
By faith or work?
Why complicate salvation?...
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
(Joh 6:29)