Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation
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FreeGrace2 said:
Where do you get the idea that you "let" Jesus in? Rev 3:20 is about fellowship, not salvation.
You continue to give me confused responses. I don't know how to get you to be more clear. And you didn't answer my question....again.
Where do you get the idea that you "let" Jesus in? Rev 3:20 is about fellowship, not salvation.
You continue to give me confused responses. I don't know how to get you to be more clear. And you didn't answer my question....again.
Haven't you even read John 10:28?? Jesus said those He gives eternal life to shall never perish.
He NEVER said they would perish IF a recipient later on rejects it.
Why don't you quit being so dramatic and hysterical. You are making Jesus out to be a LIAR. He SAID those He gives eternal life to shall never perish.
So then, on the basis of what HE DOES, the recipient of eternal life shall never perish. That is exactly what John 10:28 means.
Deal with it.
He NEVER said they would perish IF a recipient later on rejects it.
Why don't you quit being so dramatic and hysterical. You are making Jesus out to be a LIAR. He SAID those He gives eternal life to shall never perish.
So then, on the basis of what HE DOES, the recipient of eternal life shall never perish. That is exactly what John 10:28 means.
Deal with it.
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What is the different?
I know that teaching but not agree
Jesus not physically on earth but He send Holy Spirit, if you invite Him Holy Spirit come
I recall there is in the Bible people have baptis with water and Paul pray for baptis with Spirit, I think that person was not serious and now want do better
Not every people being babyish with water serious
I have a friend bring water baptis in the afternoon than have free sex with pristitute in the evening
I know that teaching but not agree
Jesus not physically on earth but He send Holy Spirit, if you invite Him Holy Spirit come
I recall there is in the Bible people have baptis with water and Paul pray for baptis with Spirit, I think that person was not serious and now want do better
Not every people being babyish with water serious
I have a friend bring water baptis in the afternoon than have free sex with pristitute in the evening
FreeGrace2 said:
This is exactly backwards. To have fellowship you have to be saved.
There are NO verses that one gets saved by "inviting Jesus into their heart". Just study Paul's answer to the jailer who asked him what he MUST DO to be saved. Acts 16:31
This is totally irrelvant because satan was IN heaven when he was created, along with all the other angels. His belief is based on experience, NOT faith. Do you understand the difference?
You need to get rid of those silly sayings like "invite Him in". That is NOT biblical.
You've really been handicapped by whoever messed you up in your theology.
This is exactly backwards. To have fellowship you have to be saved.
There are NO verses that one gets saved by "inviting Jesus into their heart". Just study Paul's answer to the jailer who asked him what he MUST DO to be saved. Acts 16:31
This is totally irrelvant because satan was IN heaven when he was created, along with all the other angels. His belief is based on experience, NOT faith. Do you understand the difference?
You need to get rid of those silly sayings like "invite Him in". That is NOT biblical.
You've really been handicapped by whoever messed you up in your theology.
So you haven't YET seen a newly married couple get in a serious disagreement then, huh.
Fellowship comes and goes in a relationship. Married couples aren't always blissfully happy constantly. There are ups and downs.
Same in the spiritual sense. Believers, who are sinners, will sin. That offends the Lord and fellowship is broken. It is fixed by confession of that or those sins. 1 John 1:9.
You still fail to understand believing something based on experience vs based on faith.
There are 2 ways to believe that a glowing red stove top is HOT.
1. by experience: you touched the glowing red top and BURNED your hand.
2. your mother TOLD you a glowing red stove top is hot and NEVER touch it. And you trust what she said and you leave it alone.
Do you see any difference between how to believe a glowing red stove top is hot and never to touch it?
Fellowship comes and goes in a relationship. Married couples aren't always blissfully happy constantly. There are ups and downs.
Same in the spiritual sense. Believers, who are sinners, will sin. That offends the Lord and fellowship is broken. It is fixed by confession of that or those sins. 1 John 1:9.
You still fail to understand believing something based on experience vs based on faith.
There are 2 ways to believe that a glowing red stove top is HOT.
1. by experience: you touched the glowing red top and BURNED your hand.
2. your mother TOLD you a glowing red stove top is hot and NEVER touch it. And you trust what she said and you leave it alone.
Do you see any difference between how to believe a glowing red stove top is hot and never to touch it?
Please explain how you can ask "what is the difference" and that you "know that teaching but don't agree". You're not making sense.
Please quote any verse that tells us to invite the Holy Spirit in. Your understanding is way off the mark.
Your sentences are difficult to figure out. So I can't respond to them.
Please quote any verse that tells us to invite the Holy Spirit in. Your understanding is way off the mark.
Your sentences are difficult to figure out. So I can't respond to them.
FreeGrace2 said:
Where do you get the idea that you "let" Jesus in? Rev 3:20 is about fellowship, not salvation.
You continue to give me confused responses. I don't know how to get you to be more clear. And you didn't answer my question....again.
That was my point. Your responses are unclear and confused.
I don't understand vagueness or confusion. I do understand clarity.
Where do you get the idea that you "let" Jesus in? Rev 3:20 is about fellowship, not salvation.
You continue to give me confused responses. I don't know how to get you to be more clear. And you didn't answer my question....again.
That was my point. Your responses are unclear and confused.
I don't understand vagueness or confusion. I do understand clarity.
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I am in agreement with you about praying without ceasing, which really translates into continual meditation regardless of whatever activities we are involved in.
Peter who was assigned the task of feeding God's sheep in these last days, gives specific information as to how we are to live.
1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
The world in these last days are considered "dead".
Jesus's advice to us is to - let the dead bury the dead.
Peter's advice is to live according to God in the spirit. Practice makes perfect - seems like a secular phrase that has no place in spiritual advice, but it is the perfect tool, if we have the truth, which will bring us to the finish line intact.
My belief about salvation is different from most professing Christians as I believe that salvation comes after sanctification.
That is why the church of Laodicea was approached by Jesus Christ.
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Peter who was assigned the task of feeding God's sheep in these last days, gives specific information as to how we are to live.
1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
The world in these last days are considered "dead".
Jesus's advice to us is to - let the dead bury the dead.
Peter's advice is to live according to God in the spirit. Practice makes perfect - seems like a secular phrase that has no place in spiritual advice, but it is the perfect tool, if we have the truth, which will bring us to the finish line intact.
My belief about salvation is different from most professing Christians as I believe that salvation comes after sanctification.
That is why the church of Laodicea was approached by Jesus Christ.
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
FreeGrace2 said:
Same in the spiritual sense. Believers, who are sinners, will sin. That offends the Lord and fellowship is broken. It is fixed by confession of that or those sins. 1 John 1:9.
Then you have no excuse for your confusion and misunderstanding.
Now you're getting somewhere!
Irrelevant. A believer cannot divorce Jesus. They may walk away from their faith, but the relationship is permanent, and as Jesus said so clearly, those He gives eternal life shall never perish. And He really means it.
This is so wrong. In God's economy, there is no divorce.
If you think that you can simply apply the idea of divorce to losing salvation, why didn't the Bible make that clear? You have no answer.
Same in the spiritual sense. Believers, who are sinners, will sin. That offends the Lord and fellowship is broken. It is fixed by confession of that or those sins. 1 John 1:9.
Then you have no excuse for your confusion and misunderstanding.
Now you're getting somewhere!
Irrelevant. A believer cannot divorce Jesus. They may walk away from their faith, but the relationship is permanent, and as Jesus said so clearly, those He gives eternal life shall never perish. And He really means it.
This is so wrong. In God's economy, there is no divorce.
If you think that you can simply apply the idea of divorce to losing salvation, why didn't the Bible make that clear? You have no answer.
The problem is we don't have agreement on john 15
I went those church for 26 years so I familiar with your believe system
I talk a lot with the pastor what I am not agree, but he not change, nothing I can do, he understand our different, and say still love me and still want me there so I do till I am not work in that town anymire
I went those church for 26 years so I familiar with your believe system
I talk a lot with the pastor what I am not agree, but he not change, nothing I can do, he understand our different, and say still love me and still want me there so I do till I am not work in that town anymire
And you don't have any excuse for agreement. It has been fully and clearly explained.
Your responses don't reflect any familiarity with what I've explained.
OK, whatever. Again, it has been explained, so you have no excuse for "nothing you can do".
Yes there is something you can do. Believe that John 15 cannot mean loss of salvation.
Because I showed you what Jesus plainly said in John 10:28. Those He gives eternal life, which is WHEN one believes (John 5:24), they shall never perish.
But you simply don't believe what Jesus said.
So there IS something you can do. You can believe what Jesus said in John 10:28 and change your mind (repent) about John 15.
It's not that difficult.
Your responses don't reflect any familiarity with what I've explained.
OK, whatever. Again, it has been explained, so you have no excuse for "nothing you can do".
Yes there is something you can do. Believe that John 15 cannot mean loss of salvation.
Because I showed you what Jesus plainly said in John 10:28. Those He gives eternal life, which is WHEN one believes (John 5:24), they shall never perish.
But you simply don't believe what Jesus said.
So there IS something you can do. You can believe what Jesus said in John 10:28 and change your mind (repent) about John 15.
It's not that difficult.
