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GaryA

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A new name for this website?

The largest assembly of its kind in one place?

A group that does not realize that they have a problem?

I have never in my life seen so many people in one place who seemed absolutely "bent" on interpreting the scriptures to say anything but what they actually say.

It is sad. :(

It truly is. :cry:

SMH :rolleyes:
 

Live4Him3

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As I said on another thread just last night:

A text, out of context, is a pretext.

In other words, you can cherry-pick a verse of scripture, pull it entirely out of its actual context, and then pretty much make it say whatever you want it to say.
In my estimation, the real underlying problem is that most people have no fear of God whatsoever, and all sorts of other problems stem from that root problem.
 

Grandpa

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Its fundamental to human faith.

People believe what they want to believe. And then they filter everything through that.

Very few people actually search for Real Truth, or really want to find anything that contradicts what they want to believe. It reminds me of the story of the Tower of Babel. How our understanding and communication is confused.


It is not Gods Desire that we come to each other to learn Truth. Those of us who have come to God to learn Truth must be very few.

Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
 

JohnDB

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A new name for this website?

The largest assembly of its kind in one place?

A group that does not realize that they have a problem?

I have never in my life seen so many people in one place who seemed absolutely "bent" on interpreting the scriptures to say anything but what they actually say.

It is sad. :(

It truly is. :cry:

SMH :rolleyes:
A lot of people come here to start a quarrel over words and introduce heresies....sharpening and honing their arguments in order to gain followers.

They usually don't have any fear of God and do all kinds of disrespectful things with scriptures.

2Timothy has the explanation....I'm thinking it's in the third chapter....

"Evil men and imposters will go from bad to worse deceiving and being deceived. "

It's here....we are witnessing it.
 

Mem

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A new name for this website?

The largest assembly of its kind in one place?

A group that does not realize that they have a problem?

I have never in my life seen so many people in one place who seemed absolutely "bent" on interpreting the scriptures to say anything but what they actually say.

It is sad. :(

It truly is. :cry:

SMH :rolleyes:
I understand why you picked the phrase cherry pickers, but I'm a stickler for precision and accuracy so, what about Cherry Bombers, because the original intent of verses are so fragmented that the context is left beyond recognition.
 

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"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables."—Timothy 4:3-4

There are a lot of reasons for this, but I believe fundamentally it's because people don't love the truth. You're right, some people seem to go out of their way to distort the truth. You have to pick your fights; some things aren't worth losing sleep over. The ignore button also can work wonders.

The ability to understand sound doctrine ultimately comes from the Lord. He will kindly show us the Way if we ask in humility; but you have humility first and desire the truth before you can even ask.

My two cents.
 

Live4Him3

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Isaiah chapter 66

[1] Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
[2] For all those things hath mine hand made, and those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

How many people have any of you met who truly are "poor and of a contrite spirit" and who truly "tremble at God's word"?

Well, that's the type of individual that God truly looks to.

Just the "tremble at my word" part alone disqualifies about 90 something percent of the professing Christians I've ever encountered who have absolutely no fear of God whatsoever, and I've personally encountered THOUSANDS of them....including quite a few on this very website.
 

JohnDB

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I understand why you picked the phrase cherry pickers, but I'm a stickler for precision and accuracy so, what about Cherry Bombers, because the original intent of verses are so fragmented that the context is left beyond recognition.
That's why the title...
These people deliberately try to confuse us.
The serpent said similar things to Eve...
"God didn't mean that exactly" could be a modern adaptation of what the serpent said to Eve.
 

Live4Him3

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That's why the title...
These people deliberately try to confuse us.
The serpent said similar things to Eve...
"God didn't mean that exactly" could be a modern adaptation of what the serpent said to Eve.
It's interesting to note that the very question in the Bible came from the serpent who said "Yeah, hath God said..." (Gen. 3:1)

That "old serpent" (Rev. 12:9, 20:2) hasn't changed one bit since...
 

Live4Him3

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It's interesting to note that the very question in the Bible came from the serpent who said "Yeah, hath God said..." (Gen. 3:1)

That "old serpent" (Rev. 12:9, 20:2) hasn't changed one bit since...
That should have read "the very FIRST question in the Bible".

I think I need more sleep...

:sleep:
 

Beckie

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I have a view of John chapters 5 and 6 that may be contrary to many who post here . I dont want to be accused of Cherry picking so tell me how many of us posters will read this in its entirety?

The Healing at the Pool on the Sabbath
Joh 5:1 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
Joh 5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.
Joh 5:3 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
Joh 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
Joh 5:5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
Joh 5:6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
Joh 5:7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
Joh 5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
Joh 5:9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
Joh 5:10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
Joh 5:11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
Joh 5:12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
Joh 5:13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Joh 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
Joh 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jesus Is Equal with God
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
The Authority of the Son
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Witnesses to Jesus
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Joh 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
Joh 5:32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
Joh 5:33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
Joh 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
Joh 5:35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.
Joh 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
Joh 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Joh 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
 

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Joh 6:1 After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.
Joh 6:2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.
Joh 6:3 And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.
Joh 6:4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.
Joh 6:5 When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?
Joh 6:6 And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.
Joh 6:7 Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.
Joh 6:8 One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him,
Joh 6:9 There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?
Joh 6:10 And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.
Joh 6:11 And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.
Joh 6:12 When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.
Joh 6:13 Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten.
Joh 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
Joh 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
Jesus Walks on Water
Joh 6:16 And when even was now come, his disciples went down unto the sea,
Joh 6:17 And entered into a ship, and went over the sea toward Capernaum. And it was now dark, and Jesus was not come to them.
Joh 6:18 And the sea arose by reason of a great wind that blew.
Joh 6:19 So when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs, they see Jesus walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship: and they were afraid.
Joh 6:20 But he saith unto them, It is I; be not afraid.
Joh 6:21 Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.
I Am the Bread of Life
Joh 6:22 The day following, when the people which stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was none other boat there, save that one whereinto his disciples were entered, and that Jesus went not with his disciples into the boat, but that his disciples were gone away alone;
Joh 6:23 (Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks:)
Joh 6:24 When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.
Joh 6:25 And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?
Joh 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Joh 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Joh 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Joh 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Joh 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Joh 6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
The Words of Eternal Life
Joh 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
Joh 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Joh 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Joh 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Joh 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Joh 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
Joh 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Joh 6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
 

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If any one is looking for highlighted verses who is the cherry picker .

Time ran out the highlighted verses in John 6 37 through 54
 

PennEd

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A new name for this website?

The largest assembly of its kind in one place?

A group that does not realize that they have a problem?

I have never in my life seen so many people in one place who seemed absolutely "bent" on interpreting the scriptures to say anything but what they actually say.

It is sad. :(

It truly is. :cry:

SMH :rolleyes:
Although I understand the spirit behind, and loosely agree with it, the problem is that aside from the very core doctrines of Christianity, there is much disagreement on virtually every thing else.

That’s why we have so many denominations. So I don’t think vigorous discussions about these non core issues is a bad thing.

But it’s very difficult to contend for an issue without eventually becoming contentious.

Something I need to work on. And it’s certainly not just me that’s needs improvement in that area.
 

Mem

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I think I need more sleep...
sleep well, you have to get up pretty early in the morning to outwit all the twit...ters.

t's interesting to note that the very question in the Bible came from the serpent who said "Yeah, hath God said..." (Gen. 3:1)
"God didn't mean that exactly" could be a modern adaptation of what the serpent said to Eve.
Fllowing an other thread discussion this discourse between Satan and Eve, I noticed that he posed the question as a set up for a "no," answer...followed by a correction saying, "yes, we may eat of every tree...except..." which brought up the one he was really getting. bait and switch... to a "no" statement, 'you will not surely die..' and a because reasoning for the 'correction" that it will make them like God. Confusion ensues and Eve, I think very possibly having began with only hearsay to begin with, has to sort out the mess with her reasoning abilities (a core characteristic of being made in the image of God). And, as I just mis-spelled it, also notice the striking similarity that hearsay has with heresay when the A, or the alpha if you will, is removed.

That "old serpent" (Rev. 12:9, 20:2) hasn't changed one bit since...
 

Mem

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If any one is looking for highlighted verses who is the cherry picker .

Time ran out the highlighted verses in John 6 37 through 54
The definition of cherry picking is more like taking a cherry from a Bing cherry tree and saying that it is a Queen Anne.
 

Beckie

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The definition of

cherry picking is more like taking a cherry from a Bing cherry tree and saying that it is a Queen Anne.
I know what cherry picking is i also know how picky many posters are. Many will say as you have and others say it is taking a verse out of context . Yet most every poster does it or has done it at one time or another one way or the other.
 

Mem

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I know what cherry picking is i also know how picky many posters are. Many will say as you have and others say it is taking a verse out of context . Yet most every poster does it or has done it at one time or another one way or the other.
And this reiterates the theme of the complaint in the OP
 
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I wonder if there will be another reformation type time coming up, where certain truths come to light and believed by the majority, instead of how it is now, believed by the few.
 
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A new name for this website?

The largest assembly of its kind in one place?

A group that does not realize that they have a problem?

I have never in my life seen so many people in one place who seemed absolutely "bent" on interpreting the scriptures to say anything but what they actually say.

It is sad. :(

It truly is. :cry:

SMH :rolleyes:
When will everyone wake up and have my exact upbringing, every single one of my life experiences, and world view? *heavy on the sarcasm*