Extinct form of people have returned.

[Runningman]

No, you are wrong. Lord Jesus stated that He is Lord. Lord Jesus was given the name above all names. It is at the name of Jesus that every knee shall bow. The Lord Jesus was exalted and poured out the Holy Spirit. Demons are cast out in the name of Jesus. All authority and power has been given to Jesus. The Holy Spirit glorifies Jesus, not Himself. (John 16 lays this all out).

The Holy Spirit is indeed God, but He is not the Son. The Son is God, but He is not the Father. The Holy Spirit is in reality Jesus in a form that we can receive.
John 16
"14He will glorify Me by taking from what is Mine and disclosing it to you. 15Everything that belongs to the Father is Mine. That is why I said that the Spirit will take from what is Mine and disclose it to you."

Why does it matter? Much of the deception in these last days is due to a false understanding of the role of the Holy Spirit. One major Pentecostal denomination started teaching that now we have the Holy Spirit, we don't need Jesus. Liberty? i spent 5 years as a member of a Pentecostal church. Some of the most messed up, legalistic, unholy and unrighteous people I've ever met were also members. Derek Prince said that as a Pentecostal, he was well aware of what legalism is.

Try this out: "if you confess with your mouth the Holy Spirit is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead...." no, it makes no sense. Lord Jesus died and rose again. The Holy Spirit did not die therefore did not rise again. Lord Jesus is saviour, not the Holy Spirit. There is no name that saves except the name of Jesus (Acts 4:12).

When studying God's word it is vital to know the whole truth, not pick out one verse. This is even more important when there are so many other scriptures that relate to the same subject. I got interested in the prosperity gospel as a young Christian. It's very appealing. "Give and get rich!" I did and went broke. My motives were wrong. Then I read something that the prosperity preachers never mentioned:
"Those who want to be rich, however, fall into temptation and become ensnared by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction." (1 Timothy 6:9)

I am well off. My needs are met. By many standards, I am rich. But I did not set out to be rich. God's blessing is on my life. There have been times when I've been poor. God uses our hard times to teach us life lessons. When we've learned them, the pressure is eased. Prosperity preachers imply that you have no faith when things are tough. Very often, it's not true.

No you’re wrong.

The verse says the Lord is the Spirit. This is clear, unambiguous, and in no uncertain terms. I read your post, but your theology doesn’t trump the Bible and never will. If it makes you feel any better, Jesus is Lord, too, because Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is also God.

Why do you disagree with the Bible on this point? That really makes me question your intentions.

 

[ChristianTonyB]

These people have been extint for about 2000 years, but God is going to do a special work that required him to let us know about it. When he is going to let us know about something special he has to do so by revelation from his prohpets. So yes he has instituted prophets about two years ago. He hasn't used multiple prophets for two cennturies, but that has changed now. Some of the modern prophets that are all agreeing about what is going to happen shortly are: Robin Bullock, Kent Ckhristmas, Hank Kunneman, Amanda Grace, Timothy Dixon and a lady who's spirit God regularly takes to Heaven, Kat Kerr. God wants us to hear what they are saying, so I urge you to check them out.

Hi Wendell. I don't mean to be rude, but someone has been messing with you, and it has not been the one and only true God.

Godly prophets are moving amongst God's chosen people all the time. Their ministry is not normally of a high profile type, but subtly moving between us at the behest of the Holy Spirit, giving a warning about immoral and other ungodly conduct, and other spiritual insights, here and there as they go.

 

[Gideon300]

Who was the last true prophet?

Impossible to say. Prophets are often hidden. Who knows the true situation in China? The role of prophet is often misunderstood. It is not necessarily foretelling the future. It is more declaring God's word specifically for the church now. For example, in the 1970's, there was a move to restore what was known as "body ministry" to the church. It was truly of God and, for a time, Christians embraced it. It fizzled out. Pastors feared losing control and people preferred the status quo. It's easier to phone the pastor than to seek the Lord.

I believe the church generally is still paying the price for rejecting God's word way back then. God is still saying the same thing. He will not speak a fresh word until the church obeys His current word. (The late Harry Greenwood said much the same thing.) That's one of the reasons I have doubts about the current crop of supposed prophecies about revival.

 

[Gideon300]

No you’re wrong.

The verse says the Lord is the Spirit. This is clear, unambiguous, and in no uncertain terms. I read your post, but your theology doesn’t trump the Bible and never will. If it makes you feel any better, Jesus is Lord, too, because Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is also God.

Why do you disagree with the Bible on this point? That really makes me question your intentions.

I don't disagree with the Biuble, I disagree with your interpretation of it. I've seen way to much deception because of the misinterpretation of that verse. The real Holy Spirit glorifies Jesus, not Himself. It's easy to counterfeit the Holy Spirit with lying signs and wonders. I'm baptised in the Holy Spirit so I am not a cessationist. I have some of the gifts of the Spirit. But Jesus is my Lord, he is the One I confess, to the glory of God my Father. It is God who gave Jesus the name above all names. I'm not about to argue with that!

 

[Gideon300]

I sometimes call Holy Spirit Lord. He is God, right? Besides, I just wouldn't feel right calling Him Fred.

He is the Holy Spirit. I've never felt inclined to talk directly to the Holy Spirit. I talk to Jesus and God the Father. My understanding is that Lord Jesus lives in me in the person of His Holy Spirit, as does God the Father. However, I do not pray to God within me. That is asking to be deceived.

 

[Gideon300]

They are all associated with one another that is why they back up what each other say making it look like they have all received the same word. There is a strange video of Kat Kerr giving a mantle of annointing to Hank K and placing this weird shawl thing around him like some sort of ritual. None of their prophecies have come to pass yet they claim all sorts of strange things and have a huge following. I think in one of Kat Kerrs videos she says she talks to Elvis Presley sometimes and has seen a whole lot of dead celebreties in heaven and hell.

That's occult, more like spiritualism. One more sign that we are in the last days.

 

[Billyd]

Impossible to say. Prophets are often hidden. Who knows the true situation in China? The role of prophet is often misunderstood. It is not necessarily foretelling the future. It is more declaring God's word specifically for the church now. For example, in the 1970's, there was a move to restore what was known as "body ministry" to the church. It was truly of God and, for a time, Christians embraced it. It fizzled out. Pastors feared losing control and people preferred the status quo. It's easier to phone the pastor than to seek the Lord.

I believe the church generally is still paying the price for rejecting God's word way back then. God is still saying the same thing. He will not speak a fresh word until the church obeys His current word. (The late Harry Greenwood said much the same thing.) That's one of the reasons I have doubts about the current crop of supposed prophecies about revival.

Have you met a true prophet?

 

[Magenta]

Who ever heard of a spiritual being becoming a physical being? Right? Or what?

There is no record in Scripture of any angel being able to take on human form aside from those commissioned by God to do so

 

[ResidentAlien]

It is more declaring God's word specifically for the church now.

There is no "God's word specifically for the church now." There's only what's written; everyone can read it for themselves and understand Yahweh's message.

This is no "fresh revelation" that's been overlooked, which the prophets have now made known to us. There's only the same message which everyone has heard and known from the beginning. But this is boring to people nowadays; they have itching ears that need to be scratched.

 

[Magenta]

Who was the last true prophet?

John the Baptist? The greatest of all men

 

[Gideon300]

There is no "God's word specifically for the church now." There's only what's written; everyone can read it for themselves and understand Yahweh's message.

This is no "fresh revelation" that's been overlooked, which the prophets have now made known to us. There's only the same message which everyone has heard and known from the beginning. But this is boring to people nowadays; they have itching ears that need to be scratched.

I disagree. God's word is the "Logos". His name is Jesus. The Bible is God's written word. I've studied it extensively and I believe every Christian needs to know it thoroughly. However, there is also the "rhema", which is the revelation of God's word. For example, for centuries the Baptism of the Holy Spirit was neglected by much of Christendom. In the early 1900's, that truth was restored to the church and revival resulted. If that truth was rejected (as it was by many) would the great revival have occurred in Wales? I have no doubt that it would not have happened. The truth was in God's word all along. But it was revealed afresh to the church. That's prophecy.

The problem is that many people no longer want God's word. It's more fun to be deafened by rock bands who vainly repeat a few Christian words. It's truth that sets people free, not singing and hand waving.

 

[Gideon300]

Have you met a true prophet?

Absolutely. I was mentored by a prophet for 30 years until he passed away. I've never met or heard anyone like him. He had a relationship with God that reminds me of Abraham. I'm much more like Jacob. But God used that man to help me become who I am today.

 

[ZNP]

Absolutely. I was mentored by a prophet for 30 years until he passed away. I've never met or heard anyone like him. He had a relationship with God that reminds me of Abraham. I'm much more like Jacob. But God used that man to help me become who I am today.

Name?

 

[Gideon300]

Name?

Ivor P. Marshall. Hardly anyone has heard of him. This web site has some of his work. https://www.christianlife.org.au/living-word

 

[Gideon300]

John the Baptist? The greatest of all men

Old Testament prophet, yes. There are NT prophets, Agabus for example. It is one of the 5 ministry gifts to the church also. The least in God's kingdom is greater than John.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I disagree. God's word is the "Logos". His name is Jesus. The Bible is God's written word. I've studied it extensively and I believe every Christian needs to know it thoroughly. However, there is also the "rhema", which is the revelation of God's word. For example, for centuries the Baptism of the Holy Spirit was neglected by much of Christendom. In the early 1900's, that truth was restored to the church and revival resulted. If that truth was rejected (as it was by many) would the great revival have occurred in Wales? I have no doubt that it would not have happened. The truth was in God's word all along. But it was revealed afresh to the church. That's prophecy.

The problem is that many people no longer want God's word. It's more fun to be deafened by rock bands who vainly repeat a few Christian words. It's truth that sets people free, not singing and hand waving.

Maybe you can impress others with this word faith mumbo-jumbo. Rhema simply means "the spoken word." Word faith is false doctrine that has been constructed around the idea that magic words can change a person's destiny. That we have the same authority as Yahweh by our spoken words.

I'm starting to see ever more clearly where you're coming from.

 

[oldman]

Impossible to say. Prophets are often hidden. Who knows the true situation in China? The role of prophet is often misunderstood. It is not necessarily foretelling the future. It is more declaring God's word specifically for the church now. For example, in the 1970's, there was a move to restore what was known as "body ministry" to the church. It was truly of God and, for a time, Christians embraced it. It fizzled out. Pastors feared losing control and people preferred the status quo. It's easier to phone the pastor than to seek the Lord.

I believe the church generally is still paying the price for rejecting God's word way back then. God is still saying the same thing. He will not speak a fresh word until the church obeys His current word. (The late Harry Greenwood said much the same thing.) That's one of the reasons I have doubts about the current crop of supposed prophecies about revival.

I have tried to walk away from this thread without comment most of the afternoon but cannot.

Gideon mentions 'body ministry' in the 1970s church and prophecy was part of that. Back then we had praise / worship and after 1 song was finished we had a time of silence before the Lord to wait and see if HE had something to say to us. If not we went to another song or individual/corporate praise. In Jan 1973 I was 3 months old in the Lord and a man directly behind me spoke out. "Thus saith the Lord. The Father has heard your praise this morning and has taken pleasure in it." The effect of those words had a profound effect on me - my praise of Him and realizing that I was being heard. Please let that sink in a while.

According to Strongs greek dictionary prophecy can mean to foretell future events it also means to speak under inspiration and that was the case with what I mentioned above. It seems that today when the word prophecy is mentioned it is automatically assumed that it means to foretell the future which is not correct.

Paul writes in 1Cor 14:3 that prophecy should be for edification, exhortation or comfort - no mention of foretelling the future. A little further in that chapter he gives further directions that 2 or 3 may speak and others then others judge or discern whether or not the words were inspired.

 

[Nehemiah6]

God wants us to hear what they are saying, so I urge you to check them out.

What are they going to tell us any more than what is already revealed in Scripture? God wants us to hear the Holy Spirit speak through His Word.

Kat Kerr Claims Nowhere Does Bible Say Prophets Must Apologize for False Prophecies - Protestia

 

[Gideon300]

Maybe you can impress others with this word faith mumbo-jumbo. Rhema simply means "the spoken word." Word faith is false doctrine that has been constructed around the idea that magic words can change a person's destiny. That we have the same authority as Yahweh by our spoken words.

I'm starting to see ever more clearly where you're coming from.

I checked the word "Rhema" with a Greek Orthodox man who was well versed in the scriptures. He is a native of Greece who emigrated to Australia.

You are displaying your lack of knowledge and a propensity to jump to conclusions. "Rhema" was a term used by sculptors. They would veil their work until complete. They would then have a public presentation where they would "rhema" or unveil the work.

Another way it was described to me is like an armoury. The armoury houses all the weapons. That is the "logos". The "rhema" is a specific weapon within the armoury.

I know the difference. I do not subscribe to the "name it and claim it" brigade. That is presumption, not faith. I do know that I've read Bible some verses a dozen times before I had the revelation of that verse. It is a knowing in the spirit that transcends the intellectual acceptance of a fact.

It's not magic, however we surely can and surely should speak God's word with authority and power. We were given that authority and power by Jesus Himself. We are His body and we should be saying what He is saying and doing what He is doing.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I checked the word "Rhema" with a Greek Orthodox man who was well versed in the scriptures. He is a native of Greece who emigrated to Australia.

You are displaying your lack of knowledge and a propensity to jump to conclusions. "Rhema" was a term used by sculptors. They would veil their work until complete. They would then have a public presentation where they would "rhema" or unveil the work.

Another way it was described to me is like an armoury. The armoury houses all the weapons. That is the "logos". The "rhema" is a specific weapon within the armoury.

I know the difference. I do not subscribe to the "name it and claim it" brigade. That is presumption, not faith. I do know that I've read Bible some verses a dozen times before I had the revelation of that verse. It is a knowing in the spirit that transcends the intellectual acceptance of a fact.

It's not magic, however we surely can and surely should speak God's word with authority and power. We were given that authority and power by Jesus Himself. We are His body and we should be saying what He is saying and doing what He is doing.

You said above: "However, there is also the "rhema", which is the revelation of God's word."

But that's not what rhema means. It means: Utterance or thing said; it has nothing to do with special revelation. If I speak something from Yahweh's word I'm exercising rhema. If I speak a "new revelation" or a "fresh revelation for today" that's not rhema in the strict sense; the words spoken are rhema but the "revelation" is not.

Maybe your sources are steeped in word faith too, that's why they say what you want to hear.