Do you believe in (OSAS) Once Saved, Always Saved?
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Purple lady or purple baby
The Apostle Paul had his thorn in his flesh and i have my Peldon
You've already judged me as "un Christian." I have no intention of defending myself against your totally baseless accusation. Besides, just go back a few pages and read it for yourself if you want to know so bad. I didn't take you to raise.
The Bible refutes OSAS very clearly;
It is not to be.
Otherwise why would God give us;
Unlimited number of times we can receive forgiveness...wouldn't one application work?
why does scripture warn us about backsliding?
Why does scripture warn us that it would be better that we would have never known of God's revealing for us?
why does scripture warn us ....do not allow any man to steal your crowns?
Why does scripture say...maintain (Righteousness) until the end?
Why does scripture intent show God/Christ/Holy spirit cannot reside where sin is present?
Further, the concept is in conflict with God's intent that we prepare ourselves and live a righteous life.
etc.
Further,
it is an interpretation of scriptures which did not exists prior to the 1960's....which is telling.
It is not to be.
Otherwise why would God give us;
Unlimited number of times we can receive forgiveness...wouldn't one application work?
why does scripture warn us about backsliding?
Why does scripture warn us that it would be better that we would have never known of God's revealing for us?
why does scripture warn us ....do not allow any man to steal your crowns?
Why does scripture say...maintain (Righteousness) until the end?
Why does scripture intent show God/Christ/Holy spirit cannot reside where sin is present?
Further, the concept is in conflict with God's intent that we prepare ourselves and live a righteous life.
etc.
Further,
it is an interpretation of scriptures which did not exists prior to the 1960's....which is telling.
Irenaeus (130-202 A.D.) wrote against it in the first century, around the year 80.
Others, too, from years well before the 60s. This is from the Westminster Confession of Faith (1646):
XVII. Of the Perseverance of the Saints
1. They, whom God hath accepted in His Beloved, effectually called, and sanctified by His Spirit,
can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace, but shall certainly persevere
therein to the end, and be eternally saved. (Phil. 1:6, 2 Pet. 1:10, 1 John 3:9, 1 Pet. 1:5,9)
2. This perseverance of the saints depends not upon their own free will, but upon the
immutability of the decree of election, flowing from the free and unchangeable love
of God the Father; (2 Tim. 2:18–19, Jer. 31:3) upon the efficacy of the merit and intercession
of Jesus Christ, (Heb. 10:10, 14, Heb. 13:20–21, Heb. 9:12–15, Rom. 8:33–39, John 17:11, 24,
Luke 22:32, Heb. 7:25) the abiding of the Spirit, and of the seed of God within them,
(John 14:16–17, 1 John 2:27, 1 John 3:9) and the nature of the covenant of grace: (Jer. 32:40)
from all which ariseth also the certainty and infallibility thereof. (John 10:28, 2 Thess. 3:3, 1 John 2:19)
3. Nevertheless, they may, through the temptations of Satan and of the world, the prevalency
of corruption remaining in them, and the neglect of the means of their preservation, fall into
grievous sins; (Matt. 26:70, 72, 74) and, for a time, continue therein: (Ps. 51 title, Ps. 51:1)
whereby they incur God’s displeasure, (Isa. 64:5, 7, 9, 2 Sam. 11:27) and grieve His Holy Spirit,
(Eph. 4:30) come to be deprived of some measure of their graces and comforts, (Ps. 51:8, 10,
12, Rev. 2:4, Cant. 5:2–4, 6) have their hearts hardened, (Isa. 63:17, Mark 6:52, Mark 16:14) and
their consciences wounded; (Ps. 32:3–4, Ps. 51:8) hurt and scandalize others, (2 Sam. 12:14)
and bring temporal judgments upon themselves. (Ps. 89:31–32, 1 Cor. 11:32)
Your assumptive pronouncement that it "did not exists prior
to the 1960's" as being "telling," tells us you are sadly uninformed.
When we believe we hold salvation in or works or lack of works we are saying God cant save me i must save myself it i am to be saved . God says
Joh_10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh_10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Nanner nanner watch me God i can jump away at MY choosing. and You Almighty God can do nothing about it hahahah
Joh_10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh_10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Nanner nanner watch me God i can jump away at MY choosing. and You Almighty God can do nothing about it hahahah
I was just going to point out the absurdity of the claim that Eternal Security originated in the 1960s.
I do not subscribe to to all the Calvinist beliefs, however, Calvin CERTAINLY believed in, and taught it a half of a millennium ago!
it is for us to believe not to doubt
we have become partakers of Christ,
if indeed we should hold firm unto the end the assurance from the beginning
(Hebrews 3:14)
if indeed we should hold firm unto the end the assurance from the beginning
(Hebrews 3:14)
i do not see the value in going around telling people they cannot trust God.
There is only ONE time that we receive forgiveness unto Salvation. That is when we are born again.
But the Scriptures are replete with passages that say although our Justification for sin happens once, our Sanctification happens throughout our Earthly life. Part of this Sanctification is confessing our sins we commit post conversion to God and each other.
How many of your sins were yet future when Jesus died and rose again?
But if you're looking for a number, many scholars believe that "70 x 7" is not an actual number, but means forgiving EVERY time.
Matthew 18:21-22
New King James Version
21 Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.
OSAS didn't originate with Calvin but he's certainly the one who popularized it. It was actually believed and taught by early Gnostics.
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Irenaeus (130-202 A.D.) wrote against it in the first century, around the year 80.
^ Part of my earlier post
Good Morning!
Forgiveness:
Matt 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Matt 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Our Lord and Savior would not give a commandment that HE WOULD NOT DO HIMSELF...but He does
Again , 1 John 1:9
1John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
For Christ is the end of the law [it leads to Him and its purpose is fulfilled in Him], for [granting] righteousness to everyone who believes [in Him as Savior].
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
God Bless!
Nay, Once A Son Always a Son......
Justification is by His blood is one time.
Forgiveness:
Matt 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Matt 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Our Lord and Savior would not give a commandment that HE WOULD NOT DO HIMSELF...but He does
Again , 1 John 1:9
Sliding back to former things, of the world
1John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
The Christ maintains HIS Righteousness in those who are His
For Christ is the end of the law [it leads to Him and its purpose is fulfilled in Him], for [granting] righteousness to everyone who believes [in Him as Savior].
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
We are all fallen, by nature, but yet He made promises to those who are His;
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
God Bless!
Church Father Tertullian said it well, from your link: "
“We ought indeed to walk so holily, and with so entire substantiality of faith, as to be confident and secure in regard of our own conscience, desiring that it may abide in us to the end. Yet, we should not presume [that it will]. For he who presumes, feels less apprehension. He who feels less apprehension, takes less precaution. He who takes less precaution, runs more risk. Fear is the foundation of salvation. Presumption is an impediment to fear….More useful, then, is it to apprehend that we may possibly fail, than to presume that we cannot. For apprehension will lead us to fear, fear to caution, and caution to salvation. On the other hand, if we presume, there will be neither fear nor caution to save us.” (c. 198 A.D)
[The(Gnostic)Valentinians claim] that since they are already naturalized in the brotherly bond of the spiritual state, they will obtain a certain salvation- one which is on all accounts their due.” (c. 200)
“Some think that God is under necessity of bestowing even on the unworthy what He has promised [to give]. So they turn His liberality into His slavery….For do not many afterwards fall out of [grace]? Is not this gift taken away from many? These, no doubt, are they who,….after approaching to the faith of repentence, build on the sands a house doomed to ruin.” (c. 203)
God had foreseen…that faith- even after baptism- would be endangered. He saw that most persons- after obtaining salvation-would be lost again, by soiling the wedding dress, by failing to provide oil for their torches.” (c. 213)
Its amazing how many "qualifiers of salvation" there are outside of:
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
anything beyond this is a ploy and NOT the Gospel of Christ.
God Bless!
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
anything beyond this is a ploy and NOT the Gospel of Christ.
God Bless!
I think at this juncture I should make it perfectly clear that while I don't subscribe to OSAS, neither do I subscribe to Roman Catholicism.
If I'm in Texas and I want to get to New York I would say: I'll get out on the road and head northeast. That's true enough; however there are a lot of other steps on the way.
By quoting only one scripture you've left out a whole lot of other scriptures.
Merely sinking to your level. The difference being I’m going to have a great day while you’re still stuck in your resentful quagmire.