Praying for Satan. Can we? Should we?

[one2question]

I use to think about this. But this dude convinced a third of the angels to rebel against God WHILE living in His presence. Satan has actively sought out to wipe any image of God out of existence. he despises us and God. He's convinced he will win this war. He will never consider forgiveness because he's blinded by his own arrogance.

Yes I agree, Satan is extremely ignorant, evil, rebellious, blind and arrogant. But so was I for a long time. I turned people away from God like a true Pharisee making them twice as much a son of hell as I was. Yet one day God had mercy on me and imparted His grace to me ever since. God loved me His emeny. I can truly say the those who are forgiven much (by God), loves (God) much.

 

[one2question]

You are correct in pointing out Bible contradictions which is why you should take the essence of the Bible as a whole not just one verse here and there.
The essence of the Bible says that there’s no hope for Satan and he will be cast in fire.

Yes the bible contains very limited information as it only contains up to 81 books at most, so it has lots of gaps in it of course. So though one could use the bible (the greatest book on the planet by far in my humble opinion) as a reference tool it is not exhaustive in its content. Even in relation to 1 man and what He got up to during His lifetime (33 years as a human). John 21:25
I once came to the same conclusion as you Eli1... The essence of the Bible says that there’s no hope for Satan and he will be cast in fire. But I see another greater overriding factor, the God Who goes far beyond what any or every human could have ever recorded in trillions of scrolls or books. I have a personal relationship with Him and I have had the privilege to get to know Him personally and this unfolding knowledge and experiencing of Him is fantastic. God's loving kindness to all and everything in Him is amazing to say the least. I know now that in Him exists all things and all will be eventually restored to their God ordained state, even Satan. How absolutely brilliant is our God and Creator. I love Him soooo much in the knowledge of Who He is.

 

[one2question]

No. Satan's demise is already certain. We are called to resist the devil, stand against him and his works. Hell was created for the devil and his angels. Have no sympathy for Satan. He was in the very presence of God, the covering cherub, blessed above all others. The people of the world are born blind to God. They need our prayers. Satan sealed his own destiny when he rebelled against God. There is no plan of salvation for fallen angels and the devil.

Gideon, just wondering if God told you this, 'There is no plan of salvation for fallen angels and the devil'? I haven't ever read this in the bible to start with nor heard God speak this to me personally. Maybe He did to you. I'd be interested in your response.

 

[one2question]

So, do you pray for Satan? Will you contribute to this thread more than just the orrigional post?

I guess I often barrack for the underdog, feel compassion for the down trodden and the poor in my community. I see Satan as one who can never win against my Father. He is outnumbered, outsmarted, extremely under resourced to take on His Creator and even come remotely close to making any erodes into undermining my Father's kingdom. Do I feel for such a being? Yes I do and more than that, I want him to experience what I have. The redeeming love of His Creator, the love of God as he once in eternity did. The restoration of this relationship would be my greatest hope, I think, at this point in my relationship with my Creator and Father.
So YES, I have personally asked God to show the magnitude of His mercy and grace towards Satan on numerous occasions.

 

[one2question]

the problem with praying for satan is that Jesus only died for humans. not angels. because of this angels have no atonement for their sins.

Is it possible that the God and the Creator of the angels has a different plan of redemption for them should they require it?

 

[one2question]

Doesn't that mean sin and the fall were planned?

That's a great question Bee.

 

[listenyoumustAll]

A friend of mine just told me that he has been praying for Satan that God would love him and have mercy on this enemy just as Jesus said he should. 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Matt 5:43&44

Satan can't be redeemed by the blood of Christ. John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Tell your friend to pray for the lost in Satan not Satan.

 

[Jocund]

Food for thought:

If it is wrong to pray for Satan because his final destination is known, doesn't that also mean that it is wrong to pray for humanity as a whole? (We know that a portion of humanity is also destined for the LoF.)

 

[BeeThePeace]

No. It means God is omniscient

He saw it coming?

 

[BeeThePeace]

Praying for Satan?SMH

That's not really a correlation to the charge of strange fire.

 

[Aaron56]

The Plan of God was that the Purpose of Christ's Sacrifice was only Determined Beforehand, from the foundation of the world.

Christ did not die twice. Not only is there zero evidence of this but the Scripture declares that Christ died only once.

For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world;
but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
Hebrews 9:24-28

Eternity is difficult to grasp as it is not governed by time. What is foundationally true is seen in the eternal and then witnessed in the fullness of time. Being ”the Lamb that is slain from the foundation of the world” is a positional truth that establishes the plan of God and, in this case, frames the entirety of creation.

 

[Aaron56]

I disagree.

Barnes:

Slain from the foundation of the world - See the notes on Rev_5:6. Compare the notes on Rev_3:5. The meaning here is, not that he was actually put to death “from the foundation of the world,” but that the intention to give him for a sacrifice was formed then, and that it was so certain that it might be spoken of as actually then occurring.

Barnes is off and has difficulty understanding eternity.

 

[Aaron56]

Doesn't that mean sin and the fall were planned?

No. It means God knew man WOULD SIN and He established man’s reconciliation before he made him.

 

[Runningman]

A friend of mine just told me that he has been praying for Satan that God would love him and have mercy on this enemy just as Jesus said he should. 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Matt 5:43&44

Did you know that the devil assigns watcher demons to people? Especially Christians who have strong faith. The idea behind this is that they get to watch your life and find ways to cause problems for you. Or listen to your prayers and find ways to undermine them. This might sound incredible, but it’s true.

 

[Melach]

Is it possible that the God and the Creator of the angels has a different plan of redemption for them should they require it?

bible doesn't speak on it and i honestly dont care about angels.

 

[Eli1]

Is your conclusion that we should be apathetic about hopeless cases? Would this apply to the tares of the world as well?

No sir, this is a discussion about Satan in specific. There is no hope for him. Also I don’t know how God Judges things and I’d never want to be in that position.
For example, I’d like to think that Hitler will burn in Hell but I don’t know.

This is an interesting Idea. I don't think we know enough from the Bible to know how to handle this question. I mean God is loving. He did create Satan. Satan was originally good. So I don't know... I'm not sure that praying for him would hurt you. But I don't think it would do any good.

But we do Know enough from the Bible to tell us that there’s no hope for Satan.

Yes the bible contains very limited information as it only contains up to 81 books at most, so it has lots of gaps in it of course. So though one could use the bible (the greatest book on the planet by far in my humble opinion) as a reference tool it is not exhaustive in its content. Even in relation to 1 man and what He got up to during His lifetime (33 years as a human). John 21:25
I once came to the same conclusion as you Eli1... The essence of the Bible says that there’s no hope for Satan and he will be cast in fire. But I see another greater overriding factor, the God Who goes far beyond what any or every human could have ever recorded in trillions of scrolls or books. I have a personal relationship with Him and I have had the privilege to get to know Him personally and this unfolding knowledge and experiencing of Him is fantastic. God's loving kindness to all and everything in Him is amazing to say the least. I know now that in Him exists all things and all will be eventually restored to their God ordained state, even Satan. How absolutely brilliant is our God and Creator. I love Him soooo much in the knowledge of Who He is.

Looks you are enjoying The Lord brother and I am too. Hallelujah and God bless you.
I also approach God from a love based emotion and not fear based.
But I also like to think that he is also Just and he is also Truth. Which means that the greatest deceiver Satan, will pay for his wrongdoings.
I also like to think that evil people throughout history like Hitler will pay too for the suffering they caused.
I don’t know how God judges things and I don’t ever want to be in that position but as far as Satan goes I don’t think there’s any hope for him.

Food for thought:

If it is wrong to pray for Satan because his final destination is known, doesn't that also mean that it is wrong to pray for humanity as a whole? (We know that a portion of humanity is also destined for the LoF.)

Of course is wrong to NOT pray for humanity. Humanity is not the same as Satan. These are two completely different things.

 

[Jocund]

No sir, this is a discussion about Satan in specific. There is no hope for him. Also I don’t know how God Judges things and I’d never want to be in that position.
For example, I’d like to think that Hitler will burn in Hell but I don’t know.

We may not be able to identify which are tares and which are wheat, but the concept would still remain that humanity as a whole is a mix of the two, and by scripture there is no hope for the tares. Wouldn't it then follow suit that if we shouldn't pray for Satan that we should also not pray for humanity as a whole?

 

[Eli1]

We may not be able to identify which are tares and which are wheat, but the concept would still remain that humanity as a whole is a mix of the two, and by scripture there is no hope for the tares. Wouldn't it then follow suit that if we shouldn't pray for Satan that we should also not pray for humanity as a whole?

But humanity is not angels that’s why the logic doesn’t follow.

 

[one2question]

No sir, this is a discussion about Satan in specific. There is no hope for him. Also I don’t know how God Judges things and I’d never want to be in that position.
For example, I’d like to think that Hitler will burn in Hell but I don’t know.



But we do Know enough from the Bible to tell us that there’s no hope for Satan.



Looks you are enjoying The Lord brother and I am too. Hallelujah and God bless you.
I also approach God from a love based emotion and not fear based.
But I also like to think that he is also Just and he is also Truth. Which means that the greatest deceiver Satan, will pay for his wrongdoings.
I also like to think that evil people throughout history like Hitler will pay too for the suffering they caused.
I don’t know how God judges things and I don’t ever want to be in that position but as far as Satan goes I don’t think there’s any hope for him.




Of course is wrong to NOT pray for humanity. Humanity is not the same as Satan. These are two completely different things.

Yes I believe both Hitler and Satan will pay for their wrongdoings. And I equally believe that both will be shown mercy and experience God's grace some time in eternity. But what time they'll do for their crime is known by God the loving Judge.

 

[DavidTree]

Eternity is difficult to grasp as it is not governed by time. What is foundationally true is seen in the eternal and then witnessed in the fullness of time. Being ”the Lamb that is slain from the foundation of the world” is a positional truth that establishes the plan of God and, in this case, frames the entirety of creation.

Yes, i understand this principal of eternity not subject as we are in this realm.
That HE was actually Slain before HE came to earth is not given any credence from Scripture (that i know of).
Furthermore when the LORD speaks a Truth, HE then establishes that Truth for us in the mouth of Two or Three Witnesses.
There is no other Witness in Scripture that Testifies to Christ/Lamb of God suffering TWICE.

There is Testimony Witnesses that Elohim can and does Speak of Things BEFORE They come into Existence as if They already Exist.

#1 Witness: as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—
God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;

#2 Witness: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

#3 witness: "slain from the foundation of the world" Rev 13:8 i see this as it is, untouched. Where 'foundation of the world' speaks of Creation and not from Eternity Past. When Elohim set in Order His Will from the Beginning.
This Witness is in Genesis chapter 3. Genesis is the 'foundation of the world' and of all Truth that follows = Comes Forth from

i can speak more on this but not now.

This i know of you, you are able to examine Scripture with/by Scripture. Not all are able or willing to do this.
So please let me know, only from Scripture, where there is another Witness that would speak of a Spiritual Slain Lamb BEFORE HE came to earth = from Scripture only.

My heart rejoices in Truth for i am a truth-seeker of and by the Word. Therefore i look to see that i may SEE and for that Blessing i will always bow my knee.