CAN YOU WALK AWAY FROM POLITICS?
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Is that God's Plan?
OR
God's foreknowledge of the workings of Satan
God's Plan for Governments is this:
"Hate evil, love good;
Establish justice in the gate." - Amos 5:15
This is what the LORD says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of the oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood......Jeremiah 22:3
Open your mouth for the speechless,
In the cause of all who are appointed to die.
Open your mouth, judge righteously,
And plead the cause of the poor and needy.
Proverbs 31:9
Less you think this only pertains to the earthly nation Israel, think again:
The instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, to pull down, and to destroy it, if that nation against whom I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I thought to bring upon it. And the instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it, if it does evil in My sight so that it does not obey My voice, then I will relent concerning the good with which I said I would benefit it.
Jeremiah 18:6-10
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God's foreknowledge of the workings of Satan
God's Plan for Governments is this:
"Hate evil, love good;
Establish justice in the gate." - Amos 5:15
This is what the LORD says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of the oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood......Jeremiah 22:3
Open your mouth for the speechless,
In the cause of all who are appointed to die.
Open your mouth, judge righteously,
And plead the cause of the poor and needy.
Proverbs 31:9
Less you think this only pertains to the earthly nation Israel, think again:
The instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, to pull down, and to destroy it, if that nation against whom I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I thought to bring upon it. And the instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it, if it does evil in My sight so that it does not obey My voice, then I will relent concerning the good with which I said I would benefit it.
Jeremiah 18:6-10
I build up in the Faith, not of matters in this World.
You stated in your reply, to me: QUOTE: "Two days before the election, the Lord clearly told me that it had been decided in heaven that Trump would be president for another term. I was shook when He didn't get in."
That is quite an unbelievable statement. I don't know who was talking to you - However it was must definitely not the Lord. I will let the Scriptures answer this one:
Deu 18:20 But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.
Deu 18:22 when a prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him.
The only way, in this age, you will hear the Lord speak to you, is if you read the Scriptures aloud.
I hope you give serious thought to these things.
You stated in your reply, to me: QUOTE: "Two days before the election, the Lord clearly told me that it had been decided in heaven that Trump would be president for another term. I was shook when He didn't get in."
That is quite an unbelievable statement. I don't know who was talking to you - However it was must definitely not the Lord. I will let the Scriptures answer this one:
Deu 18:20 But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.
Deu 18:22 when a prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him.
The only way, in this age, you will hear the Lord speak to you, is if you read the Scriptures aloud.
I hope you give serious thought to these things.
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Yes, I agree - We are to love our neighbors. It is right behind loving God with all your Heart, Soul and mind. BUT..
Can anything take place in Creation, that is not in God's Eternal Plan? Can anything take place, that God has not either Permitted or His Providential Government has not arranged? Is God in charge or not?
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me;
Isa 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure;
Isa 46:11 calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country; yea, I have spoken, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed, I will also do it.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who can withstand his will?
Can anything take place in Creation, that is not in God's Eternal Plan? Can anything take place, that God has not either Permitted or His Providential Government has not arranged? Is God in charge or not?
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me;
Isa 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure;
Isa 46:11 calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country; yea, I have spoken, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed, I will also do it.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who can withstand his will?
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You were probably not looking for a reply, however, I agree with you. True humility is often missing in the Churches today and has been replaced with too much false piety. Perhaps, the real problem though, is the lack of "salt" in the Preaching and in believers speech.
Mat_5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men.
Col_4:6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer each one.
In this metaphor - Salt is used because it stings, especially on an open wound. Note in Col. 4:6, how our speech is to be with Grace and Salt. Grace is in love and with compassion but it is to be Salted, so the message of God is firm and goes right to the heart of the matter.
When I was young - It was hellfire and brimstone from the Pulpit but today, it is watered down and has no real effect on sinners. It just makes them feel good about themselves, rather than warning them of the judgement to come.
Mat_5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men.
Col_4:6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer each one.
In this metaphor - Salt is used because it stings, especially on an open wound. Note in Col. 4:6, how our speech is to be with Grace and Salt. Grace is in love and with compassion but it is to be Salted, so the message of God is firm and goes right to the heart of the matter.
When I was young - It was hellfire and brimstone from the Pulpit but today, it is watered down and has no real effect on sinners. It just makes them feel good about themselves, rather than warning them of the judgement to come.
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Been thinking about this thread, here are some scriptures and questions to ponder.
Mat_21:2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me God could have had the colt appear why did He send a man do get the colt?
Why did God use Moses to lead the 'Children' out of Egypt. Could He have 'sapped' them out?
Exo 3:10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt
Could god have spoke the Ark into existence ? Gen 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
Did God use a kid to slay Goliath ? 1Sa 17:47 And all this assembly shall know that the LORD saveth not with sword and spear: for the battle is the LORD'S, and he will give you into our hands.
Jos 2:6 But she had brought them up to the roof of the house, and hid them with the stalks of flax, which she had laid in order upon the roof. Why again do we see/read of God using people and this time a hooker of all folks? Could God have leveled Jerica with a word?
Seems God often used people who are willing to be used of Him .
Mat_21:2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me God could have had the colt appear why did He send a man do get the colt?
Why did God use Moses to lead the 'Children' out of Egypt. Could He have 'sapped' them out?
Exo 3:10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt
Could god have spoke the Ark into existence ? Gen 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
Did God use a kid to slay Goliath ? 1Sa 17:47 And all this assembly shall know that the LORD saveth not with sword and spear: for the battle is the LORD'S, and he will give you into our hands.
Jos 2:6 But she had brought them up to the roof of the house, and hid them with the stalks of flax, which she had laid in order upon the roof. Why again do we see/read of God using people and this time a hooker of all folks? Could God have leveled Jerica with a word?
Seems God often used people who are willing to be used of Him .
Beckie - I would never judge a believer if they decided to vote but as a believer, you really should not push the issue either. Too much defense of these things or being a proponent of them, may indicate that you are overly concerned about these matters. You have Isa. 55:11 on your posts - Remember what this teaches. God is in control and has a plan for this World. He does not need the aid of His Sheep to accomplish it. Remember what Our Lord said, in His High Priestly prayer and think upon the implications of it.
John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine:
Speak up for the brothers and sisters in Christ, for the lowly, the down trodden, the persecuted of this world. Speak against the homosexuals, the abortionist and the unrighteous. But leave politics to politics. It is as corrupted as this world.
Just trying to be helpful.
John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine:
Speak up for the brothers and sisters in Christ, for the lowly, the down trodden, the persecuted of this world. Speak against the homosexuals, the abortionist and the unrighteous. But leave politics to politics. It is as corrupted as this world.
Just trying to be helpful.
i've thought about that, especially when i was younger, but i don't anymore think it's a good solution. there is a very high probability that we would have a large number of very unqualified people filling such positions -- and very unqualified people in a lot of important jobs is a bad scene. a very bad scene.
what i tend to think now is that ((1)) we need congressional term limits ((2)) congress & especially the presidency need to be unpaid or minimum-wage jobs with no monetary advantage whatsoever ((i.e. book deals etc need to be outlawed, insider trading needs to be strongly enforced, and any and all potential revenue streams from holding office should not be paid to the office-holder but to the government itself as though tax, so that NO ONE profits from politics)) and ((3)) which is an extension of ((2)) and really ought to be called ((0)) because it's the bottom line IMO --- political office should have ZERO monetary motivation attached to it whatsoever. in fact it ought to maybe financially HURT to be a political leader, instead of PROFIT.
NO ONE should see politics as a way to become rich and/or powerful, and no one should see politics as a 'career'
overall goal is that qualified, motivated people hold such positions and DO NOT hold such positions in order to profit from them.
over the last 5 years we've witnessed a man who tried to use the presidency and the merchandising of the gospel to fraudulently, effectively become king of America, destroying our democracy in the process. both as Americans and as Christians we ought have serious pause about this, really examining our entire political process and just how much we've been used and deceived by the world as a 'visible church.'
JMO
what i tend to think now is that ((1)) we need congressional term limits ((2)) congress & especially the presidency need to be unpaid or minimum-wage jobs with no monetary advantage whatsoever ((i.e. book deals etc need to be outlawed, insider trading needs to be strongly enforced, and any and all potential revenue streams from holding office should not be paid to the office-holder but to the government itself as though tax, so that NO ONE profits from politics)) and ((3)) which is an extension of ((2)) and really ought to be called ((0)) because it's the bottom line IMO --- political office should have ZERO monetary motivation attached to it whatsoever. in fact it ought to maybe financially HURT to be a political leader, instead of PROFIT.
NO ONE should see politics as a way to become rich and/or powerful, and no one should see politics as a 'career'
overall goal is that qualified, motivated people hold such positions and DO NOT hold such positions in order to profit from them.
over the last 5 years we've witnessed a man who tried to use the presidency and the merchandising of the gospel to fraudulently, effectively become king of America, destroying our democracy in the process. both as Americans and as Christians we ought have serious pause about this, really examining our entire political process and just how much we've been used and deceived by the world as a 'visible church.'
JMO
this sounds a lot more like D and a lot less like R tho.
R oppresses the poor and the stranger and gives gifts to the rich.
but D, while pleading the cause of the needy and the fatherless and poor, also gives freedom & approval to people to sin as they see fit.
so where do we really stand?
with the scripture or with one of two equally evil worldly powers?
do we sell ourselves out to become slaves to one evil because we are convinced the other evil is 'worse???'
the least sin makes us guilty of breaking the whole law!
R oppresses the poor and the stranger and gives gifts to the rich.
but D, while pleading the cause of the needy and the fatherless and poor, also gives freedom & approval to people to sin as they see fit.
so where do we really stand?
with the scripture or with one of two equally evil worldly powers?
do we sell ourselves out to become slaves to one evil because we are convinced the other evil is 'worse???'
the least sin makes us guilty of breaking the whole law!
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