If we follow the Bible then yes we must be involved with ALL parts of culture in trying to be both salt and light.
CAN YOU WALK AWAY FROM POLITICS?
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I like your testamony. I face the issues with Christ. Christ said," If someone has the faith of a grain of mustard seed, he could command a mountain to be plucked up and cast into the sea and it would obey". In this way we can deal with all things.
Yes, six days you shall WORK, and guess what that work was? Go out and gather daily bread of manna, everybody, men and women, young and old. None of it appeared in their tent, they had to go out to gather it in the wilderness, and on Friday before sabbath they had to gather double portion. They did that for FORTY freaking years! So as you can see, that work means secular work, including but not limited to paid work at your job, anything you do to make a living.
Trump was not a saint, but he bought four years for Christians and the GOP to repent and reform, he was like one of those good kings of ancient Judah after Jehoboam. That was the only and the last opportunity to make America great again. However that opportunity was not taken, nobody saw the writing on the wall in the midst of the disasters in 2020, therefore we've got this doddering fool as God's judgement.
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I watched all day long from June, 2016 until sometime in November, 2020. After I saw that the right-wing media was all talk, along with the shock of Trump not getting back in (I knew exactly what it meant and what was going to happen), I had to disconnect from the whole thing. It was just too stressful to watch.
He does as He pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. He is nobody's fool! We had our chance, I'm afraid to say!
The worldly political system is dead. When people can"t get what they want, they go to war. People die. It is happening in Ukraine now. Putin wants to stop the far left. He sees war as the only way to do that. People die. Saints can always deal with every issue. We just have to do that in the way Christ has told us to do. Learn the commands of Christ and you can rule the world with him.
The pandemic did not start by accident. A saint prayed and prayed, asking God to shut down the meetings of false teachers. Many of their meetings were shut down! Yet, how many of them repented? I think there has been some repenting going on. People realized that they were not in control. Repentance is good
The leftists in my town despise me for calling them out on their perversions. Unfortunately I’m not nice about it either because they’ve proven themselves to only understand unapologetic strength from their adversaries.
He never shied away but He never got involved either. It was the Jewish religious leaders who made it political. The coming of the Son was a spiritual event from start to finish. If some saw it as political, well, they didn't understand.
When He comes again it will be political.
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I don't wish or want to rule the world. Of course the plandemic did not start by accident. It was created in a lab with the help of US money.
I have bad news for you. The internet is chock full to bursting with false teachers and churches have opened back up. You might ask yourself if God sent aids to stop false teachers. That would make about as much sense as what you think happened. False teachers have been around for thousands of years and there would not be any if there were not so many people with itching ears.
I know the commands of Christ. Frankly, I cannot make much sense out of your post and sorry about that, but you seem to have something specific in mind and because you have not actually said it, you are all over the place. I disagree with what you are saying.
The world political system is just kicking in and what we have seen so far, is only practice for what is to come. I don't know if you will answer this or not, but are you involved in the New Apostolic Reformation and believe that the 'Sons of God' are to be revealed and that will bring Jesus back?
You seem to have hinted at it, but I could be wrong.
I only just heard of the new apostalic reformation. I know nothing about it. I follow the Lord Jesus. Sorry if that disappoints you. I am a real saint and put no trust in denominations or movements. Sorry, but I am not a part of the freak show.
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Do you read minds? No? Then kindly do not tell me what you think disappoints me.
Yet you do have some thoughts similar to what the 'freak' (your words) profess. Most people here will tell you that they follow Christ. You are not alone.
The New Apostolic Reformation supports a theology called "Christian dominionism". Basically, the idea is that Christian believers should have positions of influence in politics, the media, the arts, the sciences and everything that influences the culture. That is part of being the salt of the earth and the light of the world, as Christ called the Church to be, and praying and working for His Kingdom to come.
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On what he means when he describes the NAR's mission as taking dominion over business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, family and religion
"In terms of taking dominion, we don't — we wouldn't want to — we use the word dominion, but we wouldn't want to say that we have dominion as if we're the owners or we're the rulers of, let's say, the arts and entertainment mountain. What we strive to do and our goal is to have people in the arts and entertainment mountain who are committed to the kingdom of God, so therefore, we use the adjective there — kingdom-minded believers — and our goal is to try to have as many kingdom-minded believers in positions of influence in the arts and entertainment mountain as possible. And the reason for that is, to help bring the blessings of heaven to all those in the arts and entertainment mountain."
On dominionism and acquiring leadership positions in government
"We believe in working with any — with whatever political system there is. In America, it's democracy and working with the administrative, judicial and legislative branches of the government, the way they are, but to have as many kingdom-minded people in influence in each one of these branches of government as possible so that the blessings of the kingdom will come."
From: https://www.npr.org/2011/10/03/140946482/apostolic-leader-weighs-religions-role-in-politics
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On what he means when he describes the NAR's mission as taking dominion over business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, family and religion
"In terms of taking dominion, we don't — we wouldn't want to — we use the word dominion, but we wouldn't want to say that we have dominion as if we're the owners or we're the rulers of, let's say, the arts and entertainment mountain. What we strive to do and our goal is to have people in the arts and entertainment mountain who are committed to the kingdom of God, so therefore, we use the adjective there — kingdom-minded believers — and our goal is to try to have as many kingdom-minded believers in positions of influence in the arts and entertainment mountain as possible. And the reason for that is, to help bring the blessings of heaven to all those in the arts and entertainment mountain."
On dominionism and acquiring leadership positions in government
"We believe in working with any — with whatever political system there is. In America, it's democracy and working with the administrative, judicial and legislative branches of the government, the way they are, but to have as many kingdom-minded people in influence in each one of these branches of government as possible so that the blessings of the kingdom will come."
From: https://www.npr.org/2011/10/03/140946482/apostolic-leader-weighs-religions-role-in-politics
"Dominion theology (also known as dominionism) is a group of Christian political ideologies that seek to institute a nation which is governed by Christians and based on their understandings of biblical law. Extents of rule and ways of acquiring governing authority are varied. For example, dominion theology can include theonomy, but it does not necessarily involve advocacy of adherence to the Mosaic Law as the basis of government. The label is primarily applied to groups of Christians in the United States.
Prominent adherents of these ideologies are Calvinist Christian reconstructionism, Roman Catholic integralism, Charismatic and Pentecostal Kingdom Now theology, the New Apostolic Reformation, and perhaps there are others which are not listed here.[1][2] Most of the contemporary movements labeled dominion theology arose in the 1970s from religious movements asserting aspects of Christian nationalism." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology
Prominent adherents of these ideologies are Calvinist Christian reconstructionism, Roman Catholic integralism, Charismatic and Pentecostal Kingdom Now theology, the New Apostolic Reformation, and perhaps there are others which are not listed here.[1][2] Most of the contemporary movements labeled dominion theology arose in the 1970s from religious movements asserting aspects of Christian nationalism." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology
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From what I've heard about it, I would've thought that Nar sacrificed babies! It's probably just another move of God that's condemned by older moves of God. "If God's not doing it with us and doing it our way, then it must be the devil!" SMH
Maybe within human limits on energy but not on limits within God's spectrum of good works prepared for us to do. Basically the list of good works is made for the Church and not just the individual. Ain't no way we can be part of every ministry but we all can be part of where we are called. One may be called to promote religious freedom in politics while another to reap the benefits of religious freedom in creating a ministry. Working together but not against.I don't think that's even humanly possible
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if you are a politican you have to please ppl to get elected and also be in league with mammon (cos campaigns DO cost money)
and these things wont necessarily be compatible with serving the Lord so...at some point you do have to choose as you cant serve two masters
Pilate did wash his hands over executing Jesus but it was all in his power to do so... he was swayed by public opinion
most of the christian politicians Ive observed have become corrupted as time went on and revealed to be self serving so Im very wary when politicans claim they are christian and doing evrything to serve everyone.
if you are a politican you have to please ppl to get elected and also be in league with mammon (cos campaigns DO cost money)
and these things wont necessarily be compatible with serving the Lord so...at some point you do have to choose as you cant serve two masters
Pilate did wash his hands over executing Jesus but it was all in his power to do so... he was swayed by public opinion
most of the christian politicians Ive observed have become corrupted as time went on and revealed to be self serving so Im very wary when politicans claim they are christian and doing evrything to serve everyone.
Apparently this comes from an interview with C. Peter Wagner, the founder of the NAR and an adept deceiver.
He says he wouldn't want to use the word dominion; however, in the same breath he says ". . .our goal is to try to have as many kingdom-minded believers in positions of influence in the arts and entertainment mountain as possible." If they don't want to take over, what's the point of having "as many kingdom minded people as possible in positions of influence?" Why not just have as many as necessary to exert a Godly influence?
Wagner also doesn't mention that part of the plan is to make sure there are "workplace apostles" in key positions. These perform oversight and do battle with evil "territorial spirits" that prevent them from accomplishing their goal (that is, taking over).
Others like Johnny Enlow call for workplace apostles to be sure not to use the title apostle because of the unnecessary "baggage" that goes along with it today (Enlow, The Seven Mountain Prophecy: Unveiling the Coming Elijah Revolution). If their plans are so benevolent, and they're sincere in what they're doing, why the subterfuge?
If the plan was to simply exert a Godly influence on the 7 Mountains of worldly power that would be one thing; but the NAR believes every pastor and every church in the world today should be under the supervision and authority of an NAR apostle. That's the goal; that's the objective.
