Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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Think you have the wrong language there. Hebrew versus Greek, perhaps?
Definition of "hardened" follows
He hath blinded G5186 their G846 eyes, G3788 and G2532 hardened G4456 their G846 heart; G2588 that G3363 ➔ they should G1492 ➔ not G3363 see G1492 with their eyes, G3788 nor G2532 understand G3539 with their heart, G2588 and G2532 be converted, G1994 and G2532 I should heal G2390 them. G846
pōroō (Key)
Definition of "hardened" follows
He hath blinded G5186 their G846 eyes, G3788 and G2532 hardened G4456 their G846 heart; G2588 that G3363 ➔ they should G1492 ➔ not G3363 see G1492 with their eyes, G3788 nor G2532 understand G3539 with their heart, G2588 and G2532 be converted, G1994 and G2532 I should heal G2390 them. G846
pōroō (Key)
- to cover with a thick skin, to harden by covering with a callus
- metaph.
- to make the heart dull
- to grow hard, callous, become dull, lose the power of understanding
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Here's one man's challenge to Calvinists.
Read the letter addressed to "little Johnny".
This is what these deluded worshippers of a false "god" actually believe:
https://www.davidservant.com/question-for-calvinist/
So here is my challenge: When your children or grandchildren are old enough to be taught about God, I challenge you and your spouse to tell them the terrible truths of Calvinism and then watch their spiritual progress over the ensuing years. Tell them what you believe about God:
And would you be angry with me if I told your children or grandchildren what you believe to be false? Would you be upset with me if I told them that Jesus undoubtedly died for them, undoubtedly loves them, is undoubtedly drawing them, and will undoubtedly forgive and cleanse them if they yield to His drawing, at which time He would grant them the gifts of repentance and faith? If not, then why are you a Calvinist?
Read the letter addressed to "little Johnny".
This is what these deluded worshippers of a false "god" actually believe:
https://www.davidservant.com/question-for-calvinist/
So here is my challenge: When your children or grandchildren are old enough to be taught about God, I challenge you and your spouse to tell them the terrible truths of Calvinism and then watch their spiritual progress over the ensuing years. Tell them what you believe about God:
Little Johnny, God has predestined the minority of people to be saved and go to heaven forever, and He has predestined the majority of people to be eternally damned and burn in the fires of hell. We have no idea, little Johnny, if God has predestined you to be forever damned or forever saved. We love you, little Johnny, but we accept the fact that God might not love you, and that He may have plans to send you to hell for your future sins. If you do find yourself one day burning in hell because He hasn’t elected to save you, just remember that we will always love you, even if God hates you. Take comfort knowing that we are not like God.
We will be in heaven forever only because we were unconditionally chosen for salvation before we were born. That would be the only reason that we won’t be in hell with you if you find yourself there. It won’t be because of anything we did. So also take comfort in knowing that. It may not seem fair, but who are we to judge God? So again, if you find yourself in hell, remember that we will always love you as we forever worship the God who loved us but who hated you, the God who sent His Son to die for us but not for you. Please, we ask, don’t let it bother you—if you find yourself in hell—that we love the God who hated you and showed you no mercy. We must accept the fact that God is sovereign, and He does what He pleases.
My dear beloved Calvinist, will you teach that to your children or grandchildren? I suspect that your answer will be “never.” But why not? Why would you ever hide the wonderful “doctrines of grace,” the “Bible truth,” from your own children or grandchildren?And would you be angry with me if I told your children or grandchildren what you believe to be false? Would you be upset with me if I told them that Jesus undoubtedly died for them, undoubtedly loves them, is undoubtedly drawing them, and will undoubtedly forgive and cleanse them if they yield to His drawing, at which time He would grant them the gifts of repentance and faith? If not, then why are you a Calvinist?
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Yep and how do you do that?
How do you lose power of understanding?
Is it not what I said
Hw does a callouse form? Does it not form by continual use repeated use
So how is ones heart calloused, But o naturally showing truth to them and they continue t ignore or reject the truth.
God does not keep things from people. People hide the things of God in their hearts because they love sin more (romans 1)
How do you lose power of understanding?
Is it not what I said
Hw does a callouse form? Does it not form by continual use repeated use
So how is ones heart calloused, But o naturally showing truth to them and they continue t ignore or reject the truth.
God does not keep things from people. People hide the things of God in their hearts because they love sin more (romans 1)
Yep
He could have decided that you would never recieve him, and refuse to make you. Yet if he did that, what would that say about God?
You do realize that is one of the lies about God do you not? That is what satan wants the world to think,. That god does not care. That he wants to make us all puppets. That he does not love us..
He could have decided that you would never recieve him, and refuse to make you. Yet if he did that, what would that say about God?
You do realize that is one of the lies about God do you not? That is what satan wants the world to think,. That god does not care. That he wants to make us all puppets. That he does not love us..
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Of course, you are correct.
Calvin's "god", who is Satan, is not a "god" of love.
Rather, Calvin's "god" ABDUCTS HIS BRIDE against her will in that she had no say in the matter, FORCIBLY RAPES HER as he places his "seed" within her without her consent, and then IMPRISONS HER FOR LIFE in that she can never leave him of her own volition.
That is Calvinism in a nutshell...which is exactly where the NUTJOB Calvin belonged.
If any man in our society, and our society isn't exactly godly to begin with, did the things to a woman (and some have) described above which Calvinists would have us to believe that Christ does to his bride, then he would be rightfully put in prison or executed.
I honestly believe that Calvin is burning in hell as I type.
After all, his false teachings have been nothing but a plague against true Biblical Christianity for years.
That's definitely not the legacy that I would want to leave when my life on this earth is through and as I head to face judgment.
Of course, you are correct.
Calvin's "god", who is Satan, is not a "god" of love.
Rather, Calvin's "god" ABDUCTS HIS BRIDE against her will in that she had no say in the matter, FORCIBLY RAPES HER as he places his "seed" within her without her consent, and then IMPRISONS HER FOR LIFE in that she can never leave him of her own volition.
That is Calvinism in a nutshell...which is exactly where the NUTJOB Calvin belonged.
If any man in our society, and our society isn't exactly godly to begin with, did the things to a woman (and some have) described above which Calvinists would have us to believe that Christ does to his bride, then he would be rightfully put in prison or executed.
I honestly believe that Calvin is burning in hell as I type.
After all, his false teachings have been nothing but a plague against true Biblical Christianity for years.
That's definitely not the legacy that I would want to leave when my life on this earth is through and as I head to face judgment.
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You don't even know what Biblical "predestination" is.
The ONLY "predestination" that the Bible actually talks about is how God has "predestinated" CHRISTIANS to receive glorified bodies at Christ's second coming:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/scriptural-authority.197908/#post-4510024
Renounce your false "god", and repent unto true Biblical salvation.
The ONLY "predestination" that the Bible actually talks about is how God has "predestinated" CHRISTIANS to receive glorified bodies at Christ's second coming:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/scriptural-authority.197908/#post-4510024
Renounce your false "god", and repent unto true Biblical salvation.
'He hath blinded.... that they". Didn't we go though this before? Whoever the "he" is, is he who had blinded the "they", and who blinds
all who are blind. The "they" obviously didn't blind themselves.
Those that can see, hear, and understand, can because their eyes, ears and understanding have been "blessed" to it by something/someone outside of themselves, namely God. We were/are all blind, deaf and without understanding until becoming saved.
Here the verses are again (aweligh posted many more like these - look at his post):
[Jhn 12:37-40 KJV]
37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
[Jhn 6:63, 65-66 KJV]
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. ... 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
all who are blind. The "they" obviously didn't blind themselves.
Those that can see, hear, and understand, can because their eyes, ears and understanding have been "blessed" to it by something/someone outside of themselves, namely God. We were/are all blind, deaf and without understanding until becoming saved.
Here the verses are again (aweligh posted many more like these - look at his post):
[Jhn 12:37-40 KJV]
37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
[Jhn 6:63, 65-66 KJV]
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. ... 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
I feel another "oh my" moment coming on again.
Where do you get that theory from? Certainly not found in the Bible. You're making it up as you go along.
Read this closely. They "could not believe" - "could.... not....believe".
9 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Where do you get that theory from? Certainly not found in the Bible. You're making it up as you go along.
Read this closely. They "could not believe" - "could.... not....believe".
9 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
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They could not see because they did not want to.
Since they did not want to see or believe, He hardened their heart. Lest they believe.
He is not going to force you to believe, However, if he wanted to. He certainly could.. He could open your eyes so you can see whether you wanted to believe or not. But in doing so he would over rule your free will..
Remember, Thats the God you follow. He forced people to believe. He refuses to eve give others the chance to believe. And he claims to do it all in the name of love.
They could not see because they did not want to.
Since they did not want to see or believe, He hardened their heart. Lest they believe.
He is not going to force you to believe, However, if he wanted to. He certainly could.. He could open your eyes so you can see whether you wanted to believe or not. But in doing so he would over rule your free will..
Remember, Thats the God you follow. He forced people to believe. He refuses to eve give others the chance to believe. And he claims to do it all in the name of love.