Tiny house

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Lanolin

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sounds just like a trailer park to me, with those temporary fences...like for keeping cattle in
 
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ChristianTonyB

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sounds just like a trailer park to me, with those temporary fences...like for keeping cattle in
Pretty much.

It wouldn't be an easy thing to start up, and run.

Anyway, just out of interest I'll keep an eye on the one being developed at Eldorado, and see what happens there.
 

Lynx

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If it ends up being too small, you can always add an adjacent outdoor living space such as a landing, or butt up another module to it via a breezeway or the like.
That particular aspect seems rather easy these days. My dad is building something out of a house building material called lok-n-blok.

http://www.lok-n-blok.com/

I'd want to wait a few years to see how the blocks handle weather... But my dad is really big on the idea right now.
 
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Live4Him2

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what does everyone here think of tiny houses
an option for you?
too tiny?
only good for dolls?
not worth it or totally worth it?
A tiny house?

When I think back on my marriage, a corner of the housetop would have sufficed.

"It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house." (Proverbs 21:9)

"It is better to dwell in the corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman and in a wide house." (Proverbs 25:24)

I've always found it interesting that Solomon gave this same proverb twice.

Anyhow...
 

Lynx

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A tiny house?

When I think back on my marriage, a corner of the housetop would have sufficed.

"It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house." (Proverbs 21:9)

"It is better to dwell in the corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman and in a wide house." (Proverbs 25:24)

I've always found it interesting that Solomon gave this same proverb twice.

Anyhow...
Yeah and he also gave the proverb about a continual dripping...

Maybe the solution is for the guy to have a tiny house out in the back yard.

Wait, then we'd just be reinventing the man cave. :p
 
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Live4Him2

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Yeah and he also gave the proverb about a continual dripping...

Maybe the solution is for the guy to have a tiny house out in the back yard.

Wait, then we'd just be reinventing the man cave. :p
And the one about the wilderness:

"It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman." (Proverbs 21:9)

Maybe John the Baptist was on to something...
 

Magenta

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Cats, providing they are kept inside at night, are a lesser problem.
There is no reason to ever have to let a cat outdoors. Of course this is said by someone who lives in an urban area also populated by such wildlife as coyotes; some experts say taking cats for walks, even leashed, is just too dangerous.
 

Lynx

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There is no reason to ever have to let a cat outdoors. Of course this is said by someone who lives in an urban area also populated by such wildlife as coyotes; some experts say taking cats for walks, even leashed, is just too dangerous.
I disagree. Mom has had multiple cats as long as I've been alive, and their lives would have been terrible cooped up in a house all day. Cats need to prowl around the yard and hunt mice and birds. It's part of their instinct.

If you keep them indoors all the time they get bored. Usually they get fat too - barring a hormonal imbalance, a fat cat is a cat who is bored out of his mind. Let the cats run around outside.

If you live in a place where it's not safe to let cats run around outside, it's cruel to have a cat you must keep indoors all the time. Just don't have a cat. You'll survive.
 

Magenta

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I disagree. Mom has had multiple cats as long as I've been alive, and their lives would have been terrible cooped up in a house all day. Cats need to prowl around the yard and hunt mice and birds. It's part of their instinct.

If you keep them indoors all the time they get bored. Usually they get fat too - barring a hormonal imbalance, a fat cat is a cat who is bored out of his mind. Let the cats run around outside.

If you live in a place where it's not safe to let cats run around outside, it's cruel to have a cat you must keep indoors all the time. Just don't have a cat. You'll survive.
It is not Cruel to Keep Cats Indoors, (<= link :)) these are the reasons why:
  1. Keeping cats inside provides them with safety from dangers such as predators, cars, and disease.
  2. Indoor cats are healthier and live 3 to 4 times longer than outdoor cats.
  3. Staying indoors does not cause boredom or behavioral problems in cats—lack of proper care does.
 

Lynx

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It is not Cruel to Keep Cats Indoors, (<= link :)) these are the reasons why:
  1. Keeping cats inside provides them with safety from dangers such as predators, cars, and disease.
  2. Indoor cats are healthier and live 3 to 4 times longer than outdoor cats.
  3. Staying indoors does not cause boredom or behavioral problems in cats—lack of proper care does.
If the experts disagree with my mom, I'll take my mom's advice any day of the year. She grew up with cats, and all her cats lived long, apparently happy lives.

Also you can find "experts" who will say anything you want with the power of google. If I wanted to I could probably find experts who say the diametric opposite of what your experts say.
 

Lynx

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It is not Cruel to Keep Cats Indoors, (<= link :)) these are the reasons why:
  1. Keeping cats inside provides them with safety from dangers such as predators, cars, and disease.
  2. Indoor cats are healthier and live 3 to 4 times longer than outdoor cats.
  3. Staying indoors does not cause boredom or behavioral problems in cats—lack of proper care does.
Good grief! That page had more ads than a dozen youtube videos! What are you trying to do to my poor computer? :p
 

Magenta

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If the experts disagree with my mom, I'll take my mom's advice any day of the year. She grew up with cats, and all her cats lived long, apparently happy lives.

Also you can find "experts" who will say anything you want with the power of google. If I wanted to I could probably find experts who say the diametric opposite of what your experts say.
Common sense suffices for some. If you live on a farm and your cats are for the purposes of
controlling vermin, then sure, allow them out of doors. They are not indoor cats in such cases.


Is It Cruel To Keep A Cat Indoors?

Here are 15 reasons why it’s not cruel (and it’s actually beneficial) to keep your cat living 100% of the time indoors.

1. Indoor cats are less exposed to diseases. Cats that roam freely outside are exposed to a host of diseases
including serious ones such as FIV (Feline Immunodeficiency Virus), FeLV (Feline Leukemia Virus) and FIP (Feline Peritonitis).


2. Cats are predators and skilled hunters. Cats are skilled predators that can wreak havoc in the environment surrounding them. This means that—even if you’re not worried about your cat—if you like birds and care about other small animals living in your area, you should keep your cat inside. Cats often hunt just for fun, so they are considered serious threats to endangered fauna in many regions. Keep this in mind before letting them out to ‘entertain themselves’.

3. There are other predators out there

4. Fertile cats will not contribute to the overpopulation of strays

5. They won’t get into fights

6. You can better monitor your cat’s health

7. If your cat has long hair, they will stay cleaner longer

8. Your cat won’t bring unwelcome parasites into your house

9. Cats can be perfectly happy living solely inside

10. You won’t have to worry about your cat being run over by a car


11. Your cat will be much less likely to be stolen

12. You can know what your cat is eating

13. You won’t get complaints from neighbours

14. Your mind will be at ease.

15. You’ll sleep with a cuddly friend.
source (<= link... with lots of ads)
 

Lynx

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Common sense suffices for some. If you live on a farm and your cats are for the purposes of
controlling vermin, then sure, allow them out of doors. They are not indoor cats in such cases.


Is It Cruel To Keep A Cat Indoors?

Here are 15 reasons why it’s not cruel (and it’s actually beneficial) to keep your cat living 100% of the time indoors.

1. Indoor cats are less exposed to diseases. Cats that roam freely outside are exposed to a host of diseases
including serious ones such as FIV (Feline Immunodeficiency Virus), FeLV (Feline Leukemia Virus) and FIP (Feline Peritonitis).


2. Cats are predators and skilled hunters. Cats are skilled predators that can wreak havoc in the environment surrounding them. This means that—even if you’re not worried about your cat—if you like birds and care about other small animals living in your area, you should keep your cat inside. Cats often hunt just for fun, so they are considered serious threats to endangered fauna in many regions. Keep this in mind before letting them out to ‘entertain themselves’.

3. There are other predators out there

4. Fertile cats will not contribute to the overpopulation of strays

5. They won’t get into fights

6. You can better monitor your cat’s health

7. If your cat has long hair, they will stay cleaner longer

8. Your cat won’t bring unwelcome parasites into your house

9. Cats can be perfectly happy living solely inside

10. You won’t have to worry about your cat being run over by a car

11. Your cat will be much less likely to be stolen

12. You can know what your cat is eating

13. You won’t get complaints from neighbours

14. Your mind will be at ease.

15. You’ll sleep with a cuddly friend. source (<= link... with lots of ads)

How does letting cats outside prevent them from sleeping with you? When I was a kid I always went to sleep with a cat purring on my stomach.

They can hunt all the birds and mice they want. There is never a shortage of birds. Our cats always roamed, hunted and ate birds, and we still always had birdsong around our house. Also it keeps the cat from expressing hunting instinct in more unwanted ways.

We never had any problems with neighbors complaining about our cats. Dogs, yes, when they got into trash cans. Cats, no.

As for the rest on that list, cats can take care of themselves a lot better than many humans take care of themselves. Yeesh, they're not toddlers. :rolleyes:
 

Magenta

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How does letting cats outside prevent them from sleeping with you? When I was a kid I always went to sleep with a cat purring on my stomach.

They can hunt all the birds and mice they want. There is never a shortage of birds. Our cats always roamed, hunted and ate birds, and we still always had birdsong around our house. Also it keeps the cat from expressing hunting instinct in more unwanted ways.

We never had any problems with neighbors complaining about our cats. Dogs, yes, when they got into trash cans. Cats, no.

As for the rest on that list, cats can take care of themselves a lot better than many humans take care of themselves. Yeesh, they're not toddlers. :rolleyes:
A lot of people let their cats out over night. I doubt a cat can contend with
a coyote better than a human. Or a bigger wild cat for that matter.
 

Lynx

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A lot of people let their cats out over night. I doubt a cat can contend with
a coyote better than a human. Or a bigger wild cat for that matter.
Well see, there are these things called trees. Wonderful things, trees. Cats seem to have an instinctive talent for making use of these things to get out of reach of most predators who might eat cats. If a roaming dog did happen to go after one of our cats, ZOOM up a tree the cat would go, where the cat would hang out until either the dog went away or we came out to see what all the barking was about.

Of course if the predator is a black bear, who can climb trees, one who for some odd reason has a taste for cats, then you have bigger problems than your cat being chased. :eek:

Now if you live in a place with no trees, a busy road very close by and a lot of coyotes... well you really shouldn't be having a cat, now should you? That's a terrible place for a cat to live.

CAVEAT: If you live in a place with no trees, close to a busy road, in an area with a lot of coyotes, BUT you have a very large house, that's very different. But this thread is about tiny houses. If you have a tiny house and keep a cat indoors all the time, I hope he shreds everything you own. =^.^=
 

Lanolin

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#76
I was thinking on housing developments (where I live, there are several vacant lots in the neighbourhood now) where because of regulations changes and something called the RUB, rural urban boundary, nobody is now allowed to build a house outside this designated area of the city,

so whats happening is older properties are being totally bullodozed and flattened, the demoliton carting the old houses away and concrete apartment blocks being put up, some up to six storeys high now they changed the rules.

I think its sad to see what might have been decent homes when they were new, now become potential slums and tenements. everything looks good when its new but after its been rained on and lived in for a while...most houses and apartments dont actually look that great. It takes effort and constant maintenance to have a place that is livable.
 

Lanolin

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most newer homes dont even come with a ten year guarantee, and a lot of buildings are now cutting so many corners that they not even going to last 5 years.

people were having leaks in their roof not even 5 years in. Imagine having to build a new home every five years because your home was pretty much made of plastic and cardboard and glued together.

in the construction industry, a lot of workers arent even being trained properly on how to build a home that will last.
 

Lanolin

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A tiny house?

When I think back on my marriage, a corner of the housetop would have sufficed.

"It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house." (Proverbs 21:9)

"It is better to dwell in the corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman and in a wide house." (Proverbs 25:24)

I've always found it interesting that Solomon gave this same proverb twice.

Anyhow...
Solomon was a strange one to talk considering he had hundreds of wives and lived in a huge palace that was even bigger than the Temple.

why didnt Solomon build a tiny house?! Why did he have so many wives? Just cos he could?
 

Lanolin

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Pretty much.

It wouldn't be an easy thing to start up, and run.

Anyway, just out of interest I'll keep an eye on the one being developed at Eldorado, and see what happens there.
a trailer park needs flat land, otherwise the trailers will roll down the hill.

Or maybe the trailers can just convert an existing carpaking buildings into mobile apartments...just live in your trailers in a carpark. Permanently.

The cost of parking may as well be your rent.
 

Lanolin

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In Paris I always thought it funny they called their commuter arrondissements metro-boulot-dodo

basically it meas to commute, work and sleep

if everyone just lived where they worked (my home is my office and factory) maybe they wouldnt have this problem, unfotunately, most people really need somewhere quiet to actually sleep.

people dont often think about noise pollution compared to the more obvious visible kinds of pollution out there
but you cant really shut up children and tell them not to yell and scream (especially when they fighting over territory)