Why is God's Name NOT in the Bible?

[posthuman]

God is known by many Titles. Only ONE Name. YHWH

Ex 6
2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord YHWH:

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah YHWH was I not known to them.

"by my name YHWH was I known to them". The word "Yadda" never means "not known"

an interesting point about Exodus 3 is that in vv. 13-14 Moses asks, if he tells the people the God of their fathers has sent him, and they test him by asking what is His name? -- God says tell them I AM has sent you.

He doesn't say tell them I AM THAT I AM or YHWH; He says tell them I AM sent you.

but then - oh how deep the scriptures! we have verse 15, God "also said" tell them YHWH the God of their fathers, and says this is His name forever, that He should be called by.

what does this mean?
that they should know the name I AM and that YHWH was being revealed to them at this time?

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[JeffA]

Here is the question I present...are you saying that the reference of the name...God...is in appropriate....incorrect....insufficient....etc or what? Example...should we be using Our Creator instead of God? ....Should we use I AM instead of others mentioned here?

To your point is important for reasonable comment. Just trying to assist.

You can refer to God by any of his titles and it is totally appropriate.
I put forward, though, that we should at least know and acknowledge his Name.
I think he expressed that desire enough in scripture.

 

[JeffA]

an interesting point about Exodus 3 is that in vv. 13-14 Moses asks, if he tells the people the God of their fathers has sent him, and they test him by asking what is His name? -- God says tell them I AM has sent you.

He doesn't say tell them I AM THAT I AM or YHWH; He says tell them I AM sent you.

but then - oh how deep the scriptures! we have verse 15, God "also said" tell them YHWH the God of their fathers, and says this is His name forever, that He should be called by.

what does this mean?
that they should know the name I AM and that YHWH was being revealed to them at this time?

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I probably can't explain it any better than POST #118

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Here is the question I present...are you saying that the reference of the name...God...is in appropriate....incorrect....insufficient....etc or what? Example...should we be using Our Creator instead of God? ....Should we use I AM instead of others mentioned here?

To your point is important for reasonable comment. Just trying to assist.

Does your job title or tribal identity sufficiently cover who you are? Maybe a lot of leftists think so, they like to be a nameless face among the crowd to play identity politics, but not for God. Of course God is our creator, but that's still a title, not his NAME. His name is I AM. We address our heavenly father by his titles for the same reason we address our earthly fathers by dad or other gentlemen by "sir" "doctor", "pastor", "boss" instead of directly calling them by name. It shows our respect.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Here is the question I present...are you saying that the reference of the name...God...is in appropriate....incorrect....insufficient....etc or what? Example...should we be using Our Creator instead of God? ....Should we use I AM instead of others mentioned here?

To your point is important for reasonable comment. Just trying to assist.

And by the way in the original post I meant your job or your TRIBE. Just for clarification.

 

[JaumeJ]

My own research has shown that YHWH is from the Hebrew ver, Hayah, to be, only not intransiteve as to be in English, it is a trnsiteive verb.

Yhwh would be most closely akin grammatically to what we call a gerund in English.

As you know a gerund is the noun form of any infinitive.

When our Maker told Moses, "I am that I am," and He give him Yhvh as his appellation, He was saying that He w3ould be whatever He chooses to be.

Now having the gift of faith, I believe that because the Word is true, God is Yahwe, Yeshua, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, One and much more because He taught me so. I do not require the votes of scholars to fill me in on Wh He is.

Actually, when I first prayed to Him I address "You are Who You arem," and He responded to me that very night, and took me to His only Begotten Son, Whom, I love to address ad Yeshua or Yeshi Yahve.

I do not deny others who do not understand Ias I do, I their faith, as I expect they regard me.

 

[Nehemiah6]

When our Jewish Friends hear us praising Yahweh, they know our God is the Same God as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob also.

The Jews avoid using the name Yahweh. Instead they say "Ha-Shem" (which means "the Name") as a substitute. Many even write G-d instead of God.

The Masoretes (from "Masorah" which means tradition), were Jewish scribes who copied the Hebrew Bible (and from whom we have received the Masoretic or traditional Hebrew text of the OT). They substituted "Adonai" (Lord) for YHWH. According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, they avoided the use of Yahweh reverentially. And it is based upon this practice that YHWH = "the LORD" (small capitals) in the KJB.

"Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823 times) is the so-called Tetragrammaton, Yhwh (

), the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel. This name is commonly represented in modern translations by the form "Jehovah," which, however, is a philological impossibility (see Jehovah). This form has arisen through attempting to pronounce the consonants of the name with the vowels of Adonai (

= "Lord"), which the Masorites have inserted in the text, indicating thereby that Adonai was to be read (as a "ḳeri perpetuum") instead of Yhwh."

For Christians this is a non-issue. The Hebrew name of Jesus is "Yehoshua" (translated as "Joshua" in our Bibles) which is derived from Yah (God) and Shua (Salvation). Thus Messianic Jews call Him Yeshua ha Mashiach (or Moshiach) which is the same as "Jesus the Christ". So instead of saying "God is our Salvation" we say "Jesus" (from the Greek Iesous). But according to the New Testament, He is no longer just "Jesus". As Peter told the Jews at Pentecost, He is both Lord and Christ since His resurrection. Therefore the proper name and title for Jesus is "Lord Jesus Christ" (which incorporates "YAH" into His name). And perhaps this is why we read that people were baptized "in the name of the Lord" or "in the name of the Lord Jesus".

 

[Mem]

I call Him YeahWay(uh), or Yes(huh)! as in answer in the case that anyone might declare No way!

 

[posthuman]

My own research has shown that YHWH is from the Hebrew ver, Hayah, to be, only not intransiteve as to be in English, it is a trnsiteive verb.

Yhwh would be most closely akin grammatically to what we call a gerund in English.

As you know a gerund is the noun form of any infinitive.

When our Maker told Moses, "I am that I am," and He give him Yhvh as his appellation, He was saying that He w3ould be whatever He chooses to be.

amen

my pastor says it has the sense, 'The Existing One'
yes, a gerund - communicating that He is eternally existing, independent of all things, space, time, anything

He is self-existing; He was, He is, He is to come -- and He does His will

 

[JeffA]

amen

my pastor says it has the sense, 'The Existing One'
yes, a gerund - communicating that He is eternally existing, independent of all things, space, time, anything

He is self-existing; He was, He is, He is to come -- and He does His will

Exactly! And as such, it is a descriptor of who God is. Not a Name.
God is saying to Moses "tell them that I am THE God!" (Ha-Ya also translates as "the God")
He goes on to say that his NAME is YHWH... forever.

 

[JeffA]

"I AM that I AM"

Yahweh means "I am"

THE LORD in KJV is just a respectful title use in lieu.

"Moses" is actually a royal suffix title that means "servant of..." or "one who represents [a god's name]" in Egypt. A follower of Ra (the sun god) would have the title/name Ramoses. Moses intentionally had no god's name before the suffix to show that he is the servant of the (nameless? unnamed?) God, I AM (Yahweh). The fact that Moses' name doesn't have a god-name prefix says a lot.

If I understand this correctly, Revelation actually states that no one knows the name:

"His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself" - Revelation 19:12 KJV

In ancient Hebrew, Moses is Mashah, "God Saves".

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

amen

my pastor says it has the sense, 'The Existing One'
yes, a gerund - communicating that He is eternally existing, independent of all things, space, time, anything

He is self-existing; He was, He is, He is to come -- and He does His will

The first and second laws of thermodynamics prove that He MUST exist outside of time and space, in a CLOSED SYSTEM, something can't be created out of nothing, and light can't be spontaneously divided from the darkness.

 

[ChristianTonyB]

Although the subject here is not about the Gospel or salvation, we do know that God does not change. They even had sacrifices and Sabbath in the days of Adam and Eve. The OP is suggesting that God does want his Name known, not just titles which can be used to describe anyone with any kind of authority. I call my wife by her name, not her title. (and certainly not by another woman's name).
I just thought it would be a good topic academically. Isn't that why we are here? To Learn, share, edify, ....

Christianity of course, is more about faith and faithfulness, and less about academia. Your OP didn't seem to be about discussion on your research, but rather it was about your knowledge fait accompli, and why aren't things being changed to suit your conclusions.

In my opinion our Creator would be amenable to God and YHWH being used in reference to Him, and that they are acceptable interchangeable terms. He wouldn't be offended if we used either. He is far more concerned about our faithfulness towards Him.

My concern is that discussions of this kind often lead to contentions and doubts, and can therefore be counter productive.

 

[peldom10]

The first and second laws of thermodynamics prove that He MUST exist outside of time and space, in a CLOSED SYSTEM, something can't be created out of nothing, and light can't be spontaneously divided from the darkness.

You seem to be questioning the awesome power of God...do you mean to?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You seem to be questioning the awesome power of God...do you mean to?

No, it's just science catching up with theology.

 

[pottersclay]

Yahweh, name for the God of the Israelites, representing the biblical pronunciation of “YHWH,” the Hebrew name revealed to Moses in the book of Exodus. The name YHWH, consisting of the sequence of consonants Yod, Heh, Waw, and Heh, is known as the tetragrammaton.


After the Babylonian Exile (6th century BCE), and especially from the 3rd century BCE on, Jews ceased to use the name Yahweh for two reasons. As Judaism became a universal rather than merely a local religion, the more common Hebrew noun Elohim (plural in form but understood in the singular), meaning “God,” tended to replace Yahweh to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Israel’s God over all others. At the same time, the divine name was increasingly regarded as too sacred to be uttered; it was thus replaced vocally in the synagogue ritual by the Hebrew word Adonai (“My Lord”), which was translated as Kyrios (“Lord”) in the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Scriptures.

 

[peldom10]

QUOTE="JeffA, post: 4814914, member: 315007"]You can refer to God by any of his titles and it is totally appropriate.
I put forward, though, that we should at least know and acknowledge his Name.
I think he expressed that desire enough in scripture.[/QUOTE]


But If God refers to Himself as ...God...Lord....I AM...etc...should it not be common sense that all is ok?

Again I am looking for a point which justifies this discourse. Otherwise, we are just spinning wheels here. After all, proper orientation says we must stay focused on God's challenge of spreading His saving word through repentance, baptism and righteous living for eternal salvation.

Blessings to the concentrated Christian.

 

[Oblio]

I wonder if we're going to soon see a time when all the concentrated Christians will be gathered together...in a concentration camp!
We will have a never-ending, in-person, bible discussion forum. Lol

 

[DavidTree]

I really do appreciate everyone that has posted here. I am new to this and don't want to sound blunt or argumentative. When I read back my words they sometimes look like I have a bad attitude. I truly feel blessed to find a place to air my questions (and opinions) in a way that is impossible for me to do in my regular church. Just so you know that my love for you is real. Thanks.

"And above all things have fervent love for one another, for “love will cover a multitude of sins.”

Keep your focus on Jesus/Yeshua/Yashua HaMashiach because we are speaking English right now - HE alone has the Name above all names in ALL languages upon the face of the earth.

Do not fall into the trap of religion believing that you must use the correct spelling of the original language to glorify God.
Do not make the name YHWH an intellectual achievement that presumably denotes greater understanding in the SPIRIT.
The more we learn the greater the blessing if it is submitted unto Christ for His Glory.

Yashua Ha Mashiach , Jesus the Christ who is the Elohim Word from the Beginning.

You said that you want to better understand the 'Trinity' - if this is true then study the format YHWH laid out in His Word for us to follow Beginning in Genesis.
ALL Truth originates from Genesis = Foundation for ALL Truth to follow/built upon.

God's Name, for us to know and call upon is found here: Exodus 3:14-15

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The Lord Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’

His Name to ALL Generations = FOREVER has been given to us = Exodus 3:14-15
Abraham - FATHER of nations = Genesis 22:1-19 , Galatians 3:13-29 , Revelation 5:6-11
Isaac - only begotten SON of the FATHER = Genesis 21:12 , Romans 9:1-9
Jacob - Holy Spirit = Genesis chapter 28 - Read it

Elohim would later confirm this when HE came to earth = Gospel of John and Acts

 

[ResidentAlien]

Apparently this practice was in place even before the KJV. For example Exodus 20:7 in the the Tyndale says: "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lorde thy God in vayne, for the Lord wil not holde him giltlesse that taketh his name in vayne."

And the Geneva: "Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his Name in vain."

Biblehub shows several translations that render it more accurately. See https://biblehub.com/exodus/20-7.htm

I wonder if it ever occurred to the Jews to simply not take YHVH's name in vain rather than playing all kinds of word games.