Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

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CS1

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Right, it says God can't kill them, nor shed their innocent blood.
never mind you are set in what you think is ok with me but don't tell me or suggest I am blaspheming God. I am ok with not speaking with you and place you on ignore :)
 
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never mind you are set in what you think is ok with me but don't tell me or suggest I am blaspheming God. I am ok with not speaking with you and place you on ignore :)
Don't the verses rebuke blood sacrifices? Isn't shedding innocent blood an abomination? How can you say God killed the animals then?
 

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Don't the verses rebuke blood sacrifices? Isn't shedding innocent blood an abomination? How can you say God killed the animals then?
How can you say the animals are innocent, then???
 
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How can you say the animals are innocent, then???
They must be innocent, otherwise they wouldn't be seen as good:
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
 

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They must be innocent, otherwise they wouldn't be seen as good:
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Let me ask you again: In what verse of Genesis does it say: "Animals are innocent"? -It doesn't.

See? It works both ways.


You have yet to give the verse/s that proclaim animals "innocent."

I am simply holding you to your own standard.

I know you don't like it :oops:
 

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Don't the verses rebuke blood sacrifices? Isn't shedding innocent blood an abomination? How can you say God killed the animals then?
you do know God destroyed men women and children if you read your bible
 

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No, the killing of animals is unlawful, and not the Will of the Father.

The commandment: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." not only prohibits humans from commiting adultery with humans, but it also prohibits bestiality. So, in like manner, the commandment: " Thou shalt not kill." not only prohibits the killing of humans, but it also prohibits the killing of animals. The commandments are not just talking about humans. That is why both bestiality and the killing of animals are unlawful.

-The killing of an ox is equated to murder, both are abominations:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

-And food is not an excuse for murder, because the Father gave us the herbs and fruit for food, not animals:

Genesis 1:29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

-There is also the abomination which the Lord hates: shedding the innocent blood of the animals:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-The Father doesn't want us killing each other:

Isaiah 65:25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.
read the story of Korah who died when the ground God opened up to kill him. women & children, God killed because of Korah in Numbers 16:22-49
 
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You have yet to give the verse/s that proclaim animals "innocent."
This is what muslims do, they ask: "Where does Jesus say "I am God, worship me"? So, because He didn't say it, in those exact words, they think Jesus isn't God. So, you would have to deny the deity of Jesus if you were to be consistent with your argument, because He never said: "I am God, worship me" in those exact words. I know you don't, you are just beeing obnoxious. You think the Word has to speak as you want it to speak? -You don't get to tell the Word how to speak, and what words to use.
you do know God destroyed men women and children if you read your bible
Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

-He kills guilty sinners in His righteousness. He doesn't shed innocent blood.
 
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Let me ask you again, "In what verse of Genesis chapter 3 does it say: "God killed some kind of animal"? -It doesn't.
Yeah it does - God calls this observable only thru the Holy Spirit understanding.
 
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only thru the Holy Spirit understanding.
The Holy Spirit cannot sin, nor shed innocent blood:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
 
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The Holy Spirit cannot sin, nor shed innocent blood:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
AMEN - Now read this and seek to understand:

“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13“Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14“Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17And the way of peace they have not known.”
18“There is no fear of God before their eyes

The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.
Genesis ch6

But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Matt ch24

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of [corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.
Romans ch8
 
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45. Sacrificial Procedures – Maaseh ha-Korbanos
a) Animal and Bird Sacrifices
Only cattle, sheep, goats, pigeons and doves can be offered as sacrifices. There are seven kinds of sacrifices:a 1) The burnt-offering [as it says “If his sacrifice is a burnt-offering…”1]. Such offerings can be brought voluntarily by Jews or non-Jews; they are also required in conjunction with certain sin-offerings. The community offers two daily, and additional ones on sabbaths, new moons and festivals. It is forbidden for anyone to eat them, as it says “You must not eat… the vows that you make”.2,b 2) The sin-offering [as it says “This is the law of the sin-offering…”].3 Such offerings are required when a person (or the community) has sinned through error; they must also be brought by nazirites and by persons purified from leprosy or running issues. The community offers them on new moons and festivals. Those brought by the community or the high priest (on account of a sin) or on Yom Kippur must be burned and it is forbidden for anyone to eat them, as it says “And any sin-offering part of whose blood is brought into the tent of meeting to atone in the holy place must not be eaten; it must be burnt in the fire”.3 The others (except for the parts offered on the altar) must be eaten by priests in the Temple, as it says “All their sacrifices… are holy of holies to you and to your sons”4 [and it says “And you shall eat it in a holy place”5,c]. 3) The guilt-offering [as it says “And this is the law of the guilt-offering…”6]; this is always a ram. Such offerings are required when an individual has committed certain specific sins or is not sure whether he has sinned or is purified from leprosy. They too must be eaten by priests in the Temple.d 4) The peace-offering [as it says “And this is the law of the peace-offering sacrifice…”7]; this cannot be a bird. Such an offering can be brought voluntarily by any Jew (if it is accompanied by bread it is called a peace-offering) and must be brought by a nazirite. The community brings two such in conjunction with the bread-offering on Shavuos. The community peace-offerings must be eaten by priests in the Temple. Those of individuals may be eaten by any Jew, except for the chest and right hind leg (and in the case of a nazirite’s offering, also the right foreleg), which must be eaten by priests or their families, as it says “Everything raised up from the sacred things that the children of Israel raise up to Ha-Shem I have given to you and to your sons and daughters”.8 They must all be eaten in Jerusalem, as it says “You shall eat [them] in a clean place”.9,e 5) The Passover sacrifice 10 (a male lamb or kid); it is eaten by those participating in it. 6) The firstborn11 (male; of cattle, sheep, or goats); it is eaten by priests or their families. 7) The tithe12 (of cattle, sheep, or goats); it may be eaten by anyone. (All these too must be eaten in Jerusalem.)f Just before an animal sacrifice (other than Passover, firstborn or tithe) is slaughtered the owner should press his hands on its head and recite a confession. After slaughter the blood is caught in a sacred vessel and sprinkled or poured on the altar and parts of the fat are then burned on the altar. An animal burnt- or peace-offering (and the leper’s offerings) must be accompanied by a flour-offering and a libation of wine on the altar.g The neck of a bird sacrifice is cut at the altar; in the case of a sin-offering it must not be severed completely, as it says “And he shall cut off its head from the back of its neck but shall not separate [it]”.13,h
The priests are commanded to eat their portions of the sacrifices, as it says “And they shall eat them by which they are atoned”14 — the priests eat and the offerors receive atonement. It is forbidden for a non-priest to eat these portions, as it says “And an outsider shall not eat, for they are holy”.14 It is forbidden to eat any part of a sacrifice before its blood has been put on the altar, as it says “You must not eat… your offerings in your gates”15 — that is, before their blood has been put at the gate of G-d’s place (i.e., the altar). Similarly, it is forbidden to eat from the sacrifices outside the Temple or outside Jerusalem if they are required to be eaten inside. It is forbidden to eat any of the parts of sacrifices that are to be burned on the altar, as it says “It shall be consumed, it shall not be eaten”.
- Torah.org
This is the animal sacrificial system that was practiced by ancient Israel in their temple, under the old covenant, as prescribed by Moses.
Daniel, you really should stop blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
 
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Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

You left out the following verse:

Acts 10:15
And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.
 
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Sources:

1. Lev. 1:3-13a. 1:1-32. Deut. 12:7b. 1:5-6; 3:2; 6:1; 11:13. Lev. 6:17-23c. 1:5-6,15-16; 7:1-2; 10:3; 11:34. Num. 18:9d. 1:6; 9:15. Lev. 10:13; see Num. 18:10e. 1:4,6; 9:3ff; 10:4-56. Lev. 7:1-7f. 9:25; 10:5; see Korban Pesach and Bechoros7. Lev. 7:11-18; see Lev. 3g. 1:18; 2:1-2; 3:6,14; 4:8; 5:68. Num. 18:19h. 6:20ff; 7:6ff9. Lev. 10:14i. 10:1,3-5,810. See Ex. 12:3-11j. 12:2-4,14-15; 13:111. See Deut. 15:19-22; Num. 18:17-19k. 10:2; 12:6-7,9,1412. See Lev. 27:32l. 18:1-3,6; 19:1513. Lev. 5:8m. 14:1314. Ex. 29:3315. Deut. 12:1716. Lev. 6:1617. Lev. 2:lff (and see 6:7ff)18. Lev. 2:11-1219. Lev. 6:9-1020. Lev. 6:1621. Lev. 5:11; Num. 5:1522. Deut. 12:11,1423. Deut. 12:2624. Deut. 12:1325. Lev. 17:8-926. Lev. 17:3-427. Deut. 12:5-628. Deut. 23:22
 
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"In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness."
- Hebrews 9:22
" Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him and to cause Him to suffer; and when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, and the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand." - Isaiah 53:10
 
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Sacrificial Procedures
Where exactly does the bible state this?
No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation.

1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.

Isaiah 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
"In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness."
- Hebrews 9:22
The priests indeed receive such offering as reconciliation of the worshippers for the trespasses against the law of Moses, but for sins against the Law of God there can be no remission, save by repentance and amendment.
 
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There is none righteous, no, not one
Before repentance, there is none righteous, but after repentance is a new creation, born of God:

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Ezekiel 33:16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
 
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Before repentance, there is none righteous, but after repentance is a new creation, born of God:

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Ezekiel 33:16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
We are Renewed/ReBorn/Made Alive in the Spirit but not in the flesh/creation.

The New Created Heavens and Earth will take place after chapter 20 in Revelation is completed.
 
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