We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden

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There is something very curious about Lot being Saved from sin slavery ...Sodom ...Egypt.
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Sodom = sin
Egypt = slavery

JESUS was Crucified Spiritually there also. Symbolism for Sacrifice for intentions to die.

Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
 
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So if JESUS died for sin slavery ...why are you still a slave to it!?!?!?
 
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Do you think you have been "enlightened" if you are willing to put CHRIST back on The Cross to do your repeated willful sin?

Hebrews 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are CRUCIFYING THE SON OF GOD ALL OVER AGAIN and subjecting him to PUBLIC DISGRACE.
 

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Do you think you have been "enlightened" if you are willing to
put CHRIST back on The Cross to do your repeated willful sin?
Christ never has and never will do sin. Where do you come up with this???

Really, it is not much different than how Satan operates.
 
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You Repented ...and now you think you can repent over and over again ...you don't Believe in anything.

Hebrews 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are CRUCIFYING THE SON OF GOD ALL OVER AGAIN and subjecting him to PUBLIC DISGRACE.
 
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You all love these Verses:

1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Which is saying you are not good enough without being Reborn. If you are an actual Child of GOD ...you don't Repent anymore because you stop doing repeated willful sin.

Oh, And explain why this is two chapters later:

1 John 3:6
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
 

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You all love these Verses:

1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Which is saying you are not good enough without being Reborn. If you are an actual Child of GOD ...you don't Repent anymore because you stop doing repeated willful sin.

Oh, And explain why this is two chapters later:

1 John 3:6
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
Just wondering if you sin?

Are your sins, willful sins?
 
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So if JESUS died for sin slavery ...why are you still a slave to it!?!?!?
Romans 6 explains WHEN a believer is a slave to sin.

btw, Jesus didn't "die for sin slavery". He PAID the sin penalty (debt) for everyone.
 
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Just wondering if you sin?

Are your sins, willful sins?
A real Child of GOD is Covered for on-the-fly sins like swearing ...your repeated drug use or sexual acts ...are not Covered.

And everyone is warning me about Judgment on me for judging their repeated willful sin ...well, i'm not worried because i'm not doing them.
 
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Do you think you have been "enlightened" if you are willing to put CHRIST back on The Cross to do your repeated willful sin?

No one can "put Christ back on the cross". Why do you think that anyone can?


Hebrews 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are CRUCIFYING THE SON OF GOD ALL OVER AGAIN and subjecting him to PUBLIC DISGRACE.
This isn't literal, if you thought so.
 
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explain why this is two chapters later:

1 John 3:6
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
Beause John couldn't squeeze it in before the 3rd chapter.
 
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A real Child of GOD is Covered for on-the-fly sins like swearing ...your repeated drug use or sexual acts ...are not Covered.
Are you saying that Jesus didn't die for the sins that offend YOU?
 
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ascribed a righteousness to him
You who say this do not know what is free-will, and how it is possible to be really good; that he who is good by his own choice is really good; but he who is made good by another under necessity is not really good, because he is not what he is by his own choice.
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
God redeemed him out of Sodom for the sake of Abraham who loved him.
That is not how Perfect Justice works. They say Justice is blind, that is to say there is no respect of persons, wheter it is loved by Abraham or not. Lot beeing loved by Abraham wasn't what saved him from Perfect Judgement of the Perfect Judge, Our Judge is Most Just, and the fact that Abraham loved Lot won't pervert His Holy Justice:

Deuteronomy 1:17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.

Proverbs 24:23 These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment.
Christ who loves us.
He will love those who keep His commandments:

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Peter's description of Lot to me
verse 7 "Righteous man"; verse 8 "Righteous Soul". You are the only one who says Lot wasn't Righteous. The witness of God is greater.
 

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Are you saying that Jesus didn't die for the sins that offend YOU?
No, he is saying his sins are little oopsies that do not offend God, but everybody else's sins
are willfully repeated, repugnant to God, unforgivable, and proof they are not saved.
 
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Acts 5:
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 

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A real Child of GOD is Covered for on-the-fly sins like swearing ...your repeated drug use or sexual acts ...are not Covered.

And everyone is warning me about Judgment on me for judging their repeated willful sin ...well, i'm not worried because i'm not doing them.
So you are not self righteous, selfish, or judgmental?

The real, heavy duty sins.

Wow, you are a very rare individual, perhaps one in ten thousand or more.

I am fully reliant on the blood of the Christ, as I have no hope of being a good person.
 
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Wow, you are a very rare individual, perhaps one in ten thousand or more.
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
I am fully reliant on the blood of the Christ, as I have no hope of being a good person.
Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

-Blood Sacrifice is leaven from the pharisees:

Matthew 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

-Corruption of the covenant of Levi:

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

-Blood Sacrifice is not what our Father in Heaven wants:

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

-Blood Sacrifice was not commanded by our Father:

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

-Blood sacrifice is "of fools" and evil:

Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

-Blood sacrifice is an abomination:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
 
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