Who is the "one who justifies the ungodly"?

[DanielLL]

Jesus’s Blood doesn’t pay the price for our sin?

The shedding of carnal innocent blood cannot take away sin.
His Blood is Spirit and is Life:

John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

He’s saying he doesn’t sin.

I didn't, but Thou sayest it:

Luke 23:3 And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.

 

[Snacks]

The shedding of carnal innocent blood cannot take away sin.
His Blood is Spirit and is Life:

John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


I didn't, but Thou sayest it:

Luke 23:3 And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.

In post #11 you discredit my words:
“You testify of everyone, as if you were omniscient. I can't believe your witness alone. You present no verses.”

Then in post#21 you embrace my words:
“Thou sayest it.”

You have a forked tongue which is typical of people who starve others of God’s grace.

 

[DanielLL]

You have a forked tongue

No, when you were trying to prove theology, you had to present scripture, but now I was just showing you that I didn't say it, you did. Which still doesn't prove anything, neither one way or the other, because it is still just your witness, without scripture.

 

[Snacks]

No, when you were trying to prove theology, you had to present scripture, but now I was just showing you that I didn't say it, you did. Which still doesn't prove anything, neither one way or the other, because it is still just your witness, without scripture.

1 John 1:8 (again)

 

[DanielLL]

1 John 1:8 (again)

Again? You didn't understand, verse 8 comes before the cleansing, all have sinned in the past, all need to confess and forsake, but after beeing cleansed from all unrighteousness, you are cleansed from all unrighteousness, because "all" means "all".

All unrighteousness is sin, if Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness, then we are cleansed from all sin, because of the abstinence of all unrighteousness in us, we become therefore, righteous, doers of righteousness:

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

But If you continue in sin after beeing washed you are liken unto a dog returning to his own vomit, you are still in need of repentance.
Confess and forsake. Until you "abide in Him":

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[Sudakar]

“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬



you desperately need to accept the gospel it does this for those willing to hear and accept it

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Fear God - keep His commandment? Gen2:17:"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die".
Have you kept this commandment of God?

Have you confessed the sin of choosing the forbidden knowledge of good & evil?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Fear God - keep His commandment? Gen2:17:"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die".
Have you kept this commandment of God?

Have you confessed the sin of choosing the forbidden knowledge of good & evil?

lol I was never in Eden and given a commandment not to eat from a tree so why would I confess for something adam did that made us sinners ?

we have this word that brings us back from what Adam did to curse us with sin and death

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have this commandment for salvation from what adams sin caused

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you should move past the second chapter of the Bible and making arguments against morality though and accept the gospel ot begins with Matthew , mark , Luke and John and will return man to Gods presence.

I can’t tell you whether Adam repented for his transgression but why would I confess for something I was never involved in ? Seems sort of silly to get stuck on nudity and a tree in a garden when we have the gospel offering eternal life

 

[Sudakar]

lol I was never in Eden and given a commandment not to eat from a tree so why would I confess for something adam did that made us sinners ?

we have this word that brings us back from what Adam did to curse us with sin and death

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have this commandment for salvation from what adams sin caused

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you should move past the second chapter of the Bible and making arguments against morality though and accept the gospel ot begins with Matthew , mark , Luke and John and will return man to Gods presence.

I can’t tell you whether Adam repented for his transgression but why would I confess for something I was never involved in ? Seems sort of silly to get stuck on nudity and a tree in a garden when we have the gospel offering eternal life

If you were not in Eden, how come you have the forbidden knowledge of good & evil in your heart which accuses your thoughts & actions as evil?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

If you were not in Eden, how come you have the forbidden knowledge of good & evil in your heart which accuses your thoughts & actions as evil?

allMen do have it already lol you do too . we are born in the curse he caused already knowing good and evil and have to believe the gospel to get out of it but again it seems silly to continue repeating the thing that made us sinners and not acknowledge the thing that offers salvation from the curse already upon every human it’s not something we can avoid were born into the knowledge of good and evil as a result of adams transgression it’s not something we did it’s who we are to be saved we need to accept Jesus and the gospel

“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems Like you intend to confuse and divert are you anti Christian ? Honestly ? Or are you just stuck in a wierd interpretation of the second and thirds chaoter of the Bible and can’t proceed to see where it leads ?

 

[Sudakar]

allMen do have it already lol you do too . we are born in the curse he caused already knowing good and evil and have to believe the gospel to get out of it but again it seems silly to continue repeating the thing that made us sinners and not acknowledge the thing that offers salvation from the curse already upon every human it’s not something we can avoid were born into the knowledge of good and evil as a result of adams transgression it’s not something we did it’s who we are to be saved we need to accept Jesus and the gospel

“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems Like you intend to confuse and divert are you anti Christian ? Honestly ? Or are you just stuck in a wierd interpretation of the second and thirds chaoter of the Bible and can’t proceed to see where it leads ?

You said: "and have to believe the gospel to get out of it. Reply: Have you been delivered from the forbidden knowledge of good and evil & how?

Where does scripture say babies have the forbidden knowledge of good and evil?

 

[Adstar]

It is either repentant or a sinner, you can't have both:

You are dead wrong.. Being repentant does NOT mean you cease sinning.. It means your spirit agrees with the Holy Spirit that your sins are sins and in need to the atonement of the LORD Jesus.. It is a change of mind.. A change of attitude towards wrong doing.. It is called Righteousness in the spirit. wile at the same time not being righteous in the flesh.. This is something you guys simply cannot fathom for some reason..

And in my last post i never even commented on your denial of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. Any Christian reading your post who is worth their salt would know after reading your attack on the Atonement of the LORD Jesus that you are in no way a Christian.. I am not sure what cult you belong to.. Maybe one that has gone back into the bondage of the Law.. Maybe you have gone back to a form of Torah Judaism ? But one thing is sure you are not a Christian..

 

[DanielLL]

Have you confessed the sin of choosing the forbidden knowledge of good & evil?

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Where does scripture say babies have the forbidden knowledge of good and evil?

"man" is Adam, the whole mankind, not just the man, but the Eve also, and all mankind:

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

You are dead wrong.. Being repentant does NOT mean you cease sinning.. It means your spirit agrees with the Holy Spirit that your sins are sins

It is impossible for the Holy Spirit to sin, so when you sin you can't have the Holy Spirit, if you have the Holy Spirit you cannot sin:

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

How can one escape the peril, who says the Holy Spirit sinned along with him?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You said: "and have to believe the gospel to get out of it. Reply: Have you been delivered from the forbidden knowledge of good and evil & how?

Where does scripture say babies have the forbidden knowledge of good and evil?

Friend I’m wasting my time with you you can’t let go of chaoter two and theee of genesis. But you know we all
Need to believe what we believe …..

this will save you or anyone else though but you can’t be against living a morally upright Life

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you believe the things Jesus preached and taught he will remove the evil from the heart and fill it with Gods word and will for you. But you would have to let go of what Adam did that made men sinners to ever grasp that Jesus came to save us from the curse of sin upon every man

FYI babies and young children aren’t accountable for sin , thier parents are accountable for thier sins until they reach an age of maturity and discernment

 

[Sudakar]

Friend I’m wasting my time with you you can’t let go of chaoter two and theee of genesis. But you know we all
Need to believe what we believe …..

this will save you or anyone else though but you can’t be against living a morally upright Life

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you believe the things Jesus preached and taught he will remove the evil from the heart and fill it with Gods word and will for you. But you would have to let go of what Adam did that made men sinners to ever grasp that Jesus came to save us from the curse of sin upon every man

FYI babies and young children aren’t accountable for sin , thier parents are accountable for thier sins until they reach an age of maturity and discernment

Adam and Eve stayed unclothed in God's most holy presence which is evil when seen through the forbidden knowledge of good & evil (kge). Same as babies.
So don't confuse between kge & evil acts.

 

[Sudakar]

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.


"man" is Adam, the whole mankind, not just the man, but the Eve also, and all mankind:

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:


It is impossible for the Holy Spirit to sin, so when you sin you can't have the Holy Spirit, if you have the Holy Spirit you cannot sin:

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

How can one escape the peril, who says the Holy Spirit sinned along with him?

Adam and Eve stayed unclothed in God's most holy presence which is evil when seen through the forbidden knowledge of good & evil (kge). Same as babies.
So don't confuse between kge & evil acts.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Adam and Eve stayed unclothed in God's most holy presence which is evil when seen through the forbidden knowledge of good & evil (kge). Same as babies.
So don't confuse between kge & evil acts.

God clothed them after they ate the fruit clothes aren’t evil lol it’s foretelling Gods atonement and us being clothed with the righteousness of Christ found in the gospel

 

[Sudakar]

God clothed them after they ate the fruit clothes aren’t evil lol it’s foretelling Gods atonement and us being clothed with the righteousness of Christ found in the gospel

God didn't clothe them physically but morally. Because God didn't create them with physical clothing. They rejected the moral covering of Christ who was slain from the creation of the world.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

God didn't clothe them physically but morally. Because God didn't create them with physical clothing. They rejected the moral covering of Christ who was slain from the creation of the world.

they tried to make clothes out of leaves after they had corrupted thier formerly good knowledge.

God made them garments of skin , because he had slain the atonement for their sin, which was required because the command declared “ when ye do it ye shall surely die “ he provided a propitiation for thier sin now a part of their mind and heart through the knowledge of good and evil

this came from adams transgression consuming the fruit and is part of man and why we need to accept the gospel to correct the knowledge in us

“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we weren’t supposed to have that in our nature but we do because we all came from those who partook the the knowledge of good and evil

now though we’re in that position and need to be redeemed and purified from it and have this understanding fill us

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬A

that’s the only path out of the curse of sin and death caused because of the knowledge of good and evil the only way to correct our hearts and minds conflict that brings us to sin and death

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You should let go of the first couple chapters of genesis and move into the gospel of John , then Proceed to the gospel of Matthew , mark , and Luke and let it become what you believe

that is the tree of the knowledge of eternal life that redeems us from adams transgression that’s caused us to become sinners conflicted between good and evil

but that’s about all I would have to say about “ the forbidden Knowledge which our two biological parents partook of and cursed thier children

 

[DanielLL]

Sudakar
You are going to need Scripture if you want to convince anyone of anything here. We can't take your single witness alone for it.

 

[Sudakar]

they tried to make clothes out of leaves after they had corrupted thier formerly good knowledge.

God made them garments of skin , because he had slain the atonement for their sin, which was required because the command declared “ when ye do it ye shall surely die “ he provided a propitiation for thier sin now a part of their mind and heart through the knowledge of good and evil

this came from adams transgression consuming the fruit and is part of man and why we need to accept the gospel to correct the knowledge in us

“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we weren’t supposed to have that in our nature but we do because we all came from those who partook the the knowledge of good and evil

now though we’re in that position and need to be redeemed and purified from it and have this understanding fill us

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬A

that’s the only path out of the curse of sin and death caused because of the knowledge of good and evil the only way to correct our hearts and minds conflict that brings us to sin and death

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You should let go of the first couple chapters of genesis and move into the gospel of John , then Proceed to the gospel of Matthew , mark , and Luke and let it become what you believe

that is the tree of the knowledge of eternal life that redeems us from adams transgression that’s caused us to become sinners conflicted between good and evil

but that’s about all I would have to say about “ the forbidden Knowledge which our two biological parents partook of and cursed thier children

So why do you hesitate to be delivered from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil through faith in Christ's sacrifice?