We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden

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Pilgrimshope

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i just showed you that the entire Garden of Eden story was telling you that you can't live in sin and have The Life of CHRIST at the same time. You want to eat from both Trees. Doesn't work that way.


Hebrews 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are CRUCIFYING THE SON OF GOD ALL OVER AGAIN and subjecting him to PUBLIC DISGRACE.
remember many if not most, havent come to this point yet because they haven’t heard yet they have heard other things

“those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age

Everyone doesn’t hear the same things because some aren’t strong enough to bear them yet. There are the babes and youngsters and then the growing and mature but all belong to him who come to Christ.

Babes don’t have the same knowledge or responsibility as the mature just a thought to consider
 

Aerials1978

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temptation happens in the mind, that means the tree of knowledge is in us. It means a lot of things were symbolic for The Garden.

“So He was saying, “What is the kingdom of God like, and to what shall I compare it? It is like a mustard seed, which a man took and threw into his own garden; and it grew and became a tree, and the birds of the air nested in its branches.” (Luke 13:18–19).

Tree in the Garden!

Eve was the first to eat from the tree ...our spirits are what eat from the Trees.

"Eve" means "to live" and was a companion to Adam ...our soul. The only way we live in CHRIST is if our spirit is living.

Eve's seed crushes the head of the serpent ...so do we if we have The SPIRIT.

Gen 3:15 NIV
And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

The Woman having offspring means there is a body of people. So there is also a body of the antichrist spirit.
None of what you said is biblically sound or accurate. What you’re doing is contorting verses into something that is either of your own concoction or someone else’s off the wall teachings.
 
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Ephesians‬ 4:22-24‬
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
 

Magenta

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We voted for this place where kids get cancer because we wanted sin to be possible ...this is what we get.
When did this election take place? I think I missed it :oops::giggle:
 

Magenta

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"Eve" means "to live"
Genesis 3:20

New International Version
Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.

New Living Translation
Then the man—Adam—named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother of all who live.

English Standard Version
The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

Berean Study Bible
And Adam named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother of all the living.

King James Bible
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

New King James Version
And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

New American Standard Bible
Now the man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.

NASB 1995
Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.

NASB 1977
Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.

Amplified Bible
The man named his wife Eve (life spring, life giver), because she was the mother of all the living.

Christian Standard Bible
The man named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Adam named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.

American Standard Version
And the man called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And Adam called the name of his wife Khawa, because she was the mother of everyone who lives.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
And Adam called the name of his wife Life, because she was the mother of all living.

Contemporary English Version
The man Adam named his wife Eve because she would become the mother of all who live.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And Adam called the name of his wife Eve: because she was the mother of all the living.

Good News Translation
Adam named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all human beings.

International Standard Version
Now Adam had named his wife "Eve," because she was to become the mother of everyone who was living.

JPS Tanakh 1917
And the man called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Literal Standard Version
And the man calls his wife’s name Eve, for she has been mother of all living.

New American Bible
The man gave his wife the name “Eve,” because she was the mother of all the living.

NET Bible
The man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.

New Revised Standard Version
The man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

New Heart English Bible
The man called his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

World English Bible
The man called his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

Young's Literal Translation
And the man calleth his wife's name Eve: for she hath been mother of all living.

 
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Genesis 3:20

New International Version
Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.


New Living Translation
Then the man—Adam—named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother of all who live.


English Standard Version
The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.


Berean Study Bible
And Adam named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother of all the living.


King James Bible
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.


New King James Version
And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.


New American Standard Bible
Now the man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.


NASB 1995
Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.


NASB 1977
Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.


Amplified Bible
The man named his wife Eve (life spring, life giver), because she was the mother of all the living.


Christian Standard Bible
The man named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.


Holman Christian Standard Bible
Adam named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.


American Standard Version
And the man called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.


Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And Adam called the name of his wife Khawa, because she was the mother of everyone who lives.


Brenton Septuagint Translation
And Adam called the name of his wife Life, because she was the mother of all living.


Contemporary English Version
The man Adam named his wife Eve because she would become the mother of all who live.


Douay-Rheims Bible
And Adam called the name of his wife Eve: because she was the mother of all the living.


Good News Translation
Adam named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all human beings.


International Standard Version
Now Adam had named his wife "Eve," because she was to become the mother of everyone who was living.


JPS Tanakh 1917
And the man called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.


Literal Standard Version
And the man calls his wife’s name Eve, for she has been mother of all living.


New American Bible
The man gave his wife the name “Eve,” because she was the mother of all the living.


NET Bible
The man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.


New Revised Standard Version
The man named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all living.


New Heart English Bible
The man called his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all living.


World English Bible
The man called his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all living.


Young's Literal Translation
And the man calleth his wife's name Eve: for she hath been mother of all living.
Mother of all living spirits? ...you either have a living spirit ....or a dead spirit.

Eternal Life is about having compatible spirit / heart intentions for the Infinite Afterlife.

We need knowledge from the Tree of LIFE to form to the Righteous Intentions.


Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:


Ephesians 1:17-19
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
 

Dino246

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Mother of all living spirits? ...you either have a living spirit ....or a dead spirit.

Eternal Life is about having compatible spirit / heart intentions for the Infinite Afterlife.

We need knowledge from the Tree of LIFE to form to the Righteous Intentions.
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More New Age codswollop. None of the translations calls Eve ‘the mother of all living spirits’. Nothing in Scripture talks about ‘knowledge from the Tree of Life’ forming ‘righteous intentions’. You might be quoting Scripture, but you clearly don’t understand it.
 
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More New Age codswollop. None of the translations calls Eve ‘the mother of all living spirits’.
It's not a good sign when someone can only be literal. i think it means they don't have The HOLY SPIRIT Interpreting for them.
 
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temptation happens in the mind, that means the tree of knowledge is in us. It means a lot of things were symbolic for The Garden.
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was a TEST for Adam. God's first ever commandment for mankind in Gen 1:28 was to SUBDUE THE EARTH. Not just the small garden, but the WHOLE EARTH. All for Adam to inherit. That Tree of the Knowledge would've been Adam's as well - When he was ready, when he was mature enough, when he finished the boot camp in Eden. You know, with great power comes great responsibility. But Adam failed. He didn't pass the test.
 
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The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was TEST for Adam. God's first ever commandment for mankind in Gen 1:28 was to SUBDUE THE EARTH. Not just the small garden, but the WHOLE EARTH. All for Adam to inherit. That Tree of the Knowledge would've been Adam's as well - When he was ready, when he was mature enough, when he finished the boot camp in Eden. You know, with great power comes great responsibility. But Adam failed. He didn't pass the test.
JESUS was put to the same test in the wilderness with satan. The difference being JESUS passed.
 
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“(for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; ) casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭10:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

"righteousness into our heart and removing the roots of sin like lustful ideas"

“And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; and should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how.

For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself;

first the blade,

then the ear,

after that the full corn in the ear.

But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭4:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬
A seed goes into a Garden.
 
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i just showed you that the entire Garden of Eden story was telling you that you can't live in sin and have The Life of CHRIST at the same time. You want to eat from both Trees. Doesn't work that way.


Hebrews 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are CRUCIFYING THE SON OF GOD ALL OVER AGAIN and subjecting him to PUBLIC DISGRACE.
Jesus is not crucified more than once under any conditions. If you'll read the context of Hebrews 6 you'll see it's written to Hebrews who are being taught they can't crucify Jesus repeatedly to atone for their sins like they could do with animal sacrifices. This is completely rhetorical. Jesus was the "one offering" mentioned in Hebrews 10:14.

So the point you are trying to make doesn't apply the way you seem to think it does. I hope you can see that.
 
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Jesus is not crucified more than once under any conditions. If you'll read the context of Hebrews 6 you'll see it's written to Hebrews who are being taught they can't crucify Jesus repeatedly to atone for their sins like they could do with animal sacrifices. This is completely rhetorical. Jesus was the "one offering" mentioned in Hebrews 10:14.

So the point you are trying to make doesn't apply the way you seem to think it does. I hope you can see that.
What i see is excuses to continue doing drugs or sexual acts. That One Offering was for you fallen life until you were Reborn.


1 John 3:6
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

2 Corinthians 5:15
he died for all so that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for him who died for them and was raised up

1 Peter 2:21
In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely

John 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
 

Pilgrimshope

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A seed goes into a Garden.
“And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:27‬ ‭

and Jesus said to believers of his word I will put my spirit in you

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I will cause you to walk in my judgements

“For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:49-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And do them

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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“Now the parable ( luke 8:4-9) is this: The seed is the word of God.

Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭8:11-15‬ ‭
The Word of GOD gets planted in us. Reborn with the spirit of knowledge in Him.
 
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What i see is excuses to continue doing drugs or sexual acts. That "one offering" was for you fallen life until you were Reborn.


1 John 3:6
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

2 Corinthians 5:15
he died for all so that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for him who died for them and was raised up

1 Peter 2:21
In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely

John 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Christ doesn't get crucified repeatedly; Hebrews 6:4-6 is rhetorical and needs to be understood that way in order to understand the gospel accurately. Christ was sacrificed one time. Unlike animal sacrifices, Christ doesn't get sacrificed as much as necessary to forgive sins. There is no such doctrine anywhere in the Bible.

Here are some verses to prove it.

John 19:30
30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

1 Peter 3:18
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Hebrews 9:26-28
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Hebrews 10:10
10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Jesus is not crucified more than once under any conditions. If you'll read the context of Hebrews 6 you'll see it's written to Hebrews who are being taught they can't crucify Jesus repeatedly to atone for their sins like they could do with animal sacrifices. This is completely rhetorical. Jesus was the "one offering" mentioned in Hebrews 10:14.

So the point you are trying to make doesn't apply the way you seem to think it does. I hope you can see that.
“If you'll read the context of Hebrews 6 you'll see it's written to Hebrews”

“but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil,

of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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Christ doesn't get crucified repeatedly; Hebrews 6:4-6 is rhetorical and needs to be understood that way in order to understand the gospel accurately. Here are some verses to prove it.

John 19:30
30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

1 Peter 3:18
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Hebrews 9:26-28
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Hebrews 10:10
10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Wait, are you someone else that can only be literal?
 
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