ARE YOU RULED BY CHRIST?

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Do you believe it's not you but Christ who lives in you?
 

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Do you believe it's not you but Christ who lives in you?
Absolutely. I've never felt like I've had any sense of control over my life. The things that I've wanted . . . I didn't get. And more, I definitely feel like a Stranger in an Alien land. I feel that the Lord has led me down a path that has been incredibly painful so that I might learn many things. This, of course, would have never been my choice. For, I have always tried to seek the path of least resistance, but regardless of how hard I have tried, things just rarely ever turn in my favor.

The Bible says that His Children would suffer. So, I take comfort in knowing that I meet that description. I am experiencing "father against son," "brother against brother," near complete rejection from my families, yet they are all of "christian" varieties. And so while for many decades this caused me incredible, emotional harm and stress, I have learned not to "feel" as I once did. I have learned, through it all, that I am to depend not upon humans (especially family), but upon Him alone and none other. What is more, I have not found the "church" nor the "body of christ" to be of much help either. Hence, in my Biblical studies, I came to fully understand the term, "Remnant."

And while many claim that I am whining or complaining, they simply do not understand, nor can they. I am thrilled! I couldn't be more pleased to meet the description of what a True Believers is . . . according to the Bible. And those who are able to relate to what I'm saying, they will not be offended. And these who are not offended, they are my True Brothers and Sisters in Christ. These are the True Body of Christ. These Brothers and Sisters make up the True Church.

Yes. I consider myself to be a Slave to Christ; His Property, bought and purchased to do with as He desires. I am not my own anymore.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 NIV - "Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies."
 
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Absolutely. I've never felt like I've had any sense of control over my life. The things that I've wanted . . . I didn't get. And more, I definitely feel like a Stranger in an Alien land. I feel that the Lord has led me down a path that has been incredibly painful so that I might learn many things. This, of course, would have never been my choice. For, I have always tried to seek the path of least resistance, but regardless of how hard I have tried, things just rarely ever turn in my favor.

The Bible says that His Children would suffer. So, I take comfort in knowing that I meet that description. I am experiencing "father against son," "brother against brother," near complete rejection from my families, yet they are all of "christian" varieties. And so while for many decades this caused me incredible, emotional harm and stress, I have learned not to "feel" as I once did. I have learned, through it all, that I am to depend not upon humans (especially family), but upon Him alone and none other. What is more, I have not found the "church" nor the "body of christ" to be of much help either. Hence, in my Biblical studies, I came to fully understand the term, "Remnant."

And while many claim that I am whining or complaining, they simply do not understand, nor can they. I am thrilled! I couldn't be more pleased to meet the description of what a True Believers is . . . according to the Bible. And those who are able to relate to what I'm saying, they will not be offended. And these who are not offended, they are my True Brothers and Sisters in Christ. These are the True Body of Christ. These Brothers and Sisters make up the True Church.

Yes. I consider myself to be a Slave to Christ; His Property, bought and purchased to do with as He desires. I am not my own anymore.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 NIV - "Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies."
Do you believe Jesus has delivered you from the knowledge of good and evil by His death on the cross as per Romans7:4,6?
 

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You and I just covered this in another thread.
 

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Romans7:6:"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held".
The Law of Moses is not knowledge of good and evil. The Law tells us what the knowledge of good and evil is. The Law exposes evil.

Romans 7:7 NLT - "Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is sinful? Of course not! In fact, it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, "You must not covet."
 
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The Law of Moses is not knowledge of good and evil. The Law tells us what the knowledge of good and evil is. The Law exposes evil.

Romans 7:7 NLT - "Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is sinful? Of course not! In fact, it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, "You must not covet."
So you need the forbidden knowledge of good & evil or do you need the law of Moses?

If it's not you but Christ who lives in you, why do you need to cross-check Christ's workings through you? You doubt Him?
 

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So you need the forbidden knowledge of good & evil or do you need the law of Moses?

If it's not you but Christ who lives in you, why do you need to cross-check Christ's workings through you? You doubt Him?
You are ignoring all of the things that I am convincingly showing you. Therefore, it's time for me to move on. We're not getting anywhere and I don't think that we will be in the future. In fact, I'm beginning to believe that you're a programmed bot.
 
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You are ignoring all of the things that I am convincingly showing you. Therefore, it's time for me to move on. We're not getting anywhere and I don't think that we will be in the future. In fact, I'm beginning to believe that you're a programmed bot.
What did you post convincingly?
So you are seeking to be justified before God and humans by fulfilling the moral law?
 

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Are you justified before God by fulfilling the moral law?
I think that's the third or fourth time you've asked me this. I don't know what it means. It is biblically a logical.
 
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I think that's the third or fourth time you've asked me this. I don't know what it means. It is biblically a logical.
I'm repeating because you pretend to not understand a basic question? You really don't under what justification is?
 

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I'm repeating because you pretend to not understand a basic question? You really don't under what justification is?
I'm not pretending. Yes, I believe that I have a firm handle on what justification is. But I've never heard of anyone fulfilling the moral law. It's impossible to fulfill a moral law. The moral law is simply the laws of what is right and wrong placed upon each human beings heart. As I told you before no one has any particular advantage because of and through the moral law. The Jews had the law of Moses, but the Gentiles had no law, which is why the Bible states that they were a law unto themselves, but that came to an end when the moral law was placed upon all of people's hearts so that all people would know the difference between right and wrong whether or not they had the law of Moses.
 
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I'm not pretending. Yes, I believe that I have a firm handle on what justification is. But I've never heard of anyone fulfilling the moral law. It's impossible to fulfill a moral law. The moral law is simply the laws of what is right and wrong placed upon each human beings heart. As I told you before no one has any particular advantage because of and through the moral law. The Jews had the law of Moses, but the Gentiles had no law, which is why the Bible states that they were a law unto themselves, but that came to an end when the moral law was placed upon all of people's hearts so that all people would know the difference between right and wrong whether or not they had the law of Moses.

God placed the laws of what is right and wrong placed upon each human beings heart? Didn't God forbid it?

So why you need it after being justified?
 

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God placed the laws of what is right and wrong placed upon each human beings heart? Didn't God forbid it?

So why you need it after being justified?
Yes, he did.

I don't understand your question about God forbid in the moral law.

Born again Christians do not live by the moral law. They live by the laws of the spirit of life. That's Romans 8:2. The laws of the spirit of Life are effectual, meaning that these laws change us, making us conform to the laws of God. We do not necessarily choose to obey these laws, but these laws enforce change beyond our own capacity and willpower. Those who live by the laws of the spirit of life will reflect the glory of Christ more and more as they grow older.
 
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Yes, he did.

I don't understand your question about God forbid in the moral law.

Born again Christians do not live by the moral law. They live by the laws of the spirit of life. That's Romans 8:2. The laws of the spirit of Life are effectual, meaning that these laws change us, making us conform to the laws of God. We do not necessarily choose to obey these laws, but these laws enforce change beyond our own capacity and willpower. Those who live by the laws of the spirit of life will reflect the glory of Christ more and more as they grow older.
So what are the laws of the spirit of life?
 

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So what are the laws of the spirit of life?
These are Spiritual Laws that are capable of doing what the Laws written upon stone could not do. The Jews [followed] the Laws that were carved into stone . . . the Jews tried to obey those Laws, but as you know, they couldn't. The Laws of the Spirit of Life are totally opposite, for they are Powerful! Laws written upon stone have no Power. In fact, you may remember when Moses threw the first set of stones upon the ground and they shattered and shattered all over the place. Do you remember God's response? That's right . . . there wasn't one. God showed absolutely no concern over those shattered Laws. That should tell us something right there, for all along, God foreknew that those Laws would become "old" and obsolete.

2 Corinthians 3:3 NLT - "Clearly, you are a letter from Christ showing the result of our ministry among you. This "letter" is written not with pen and ink, but with the Spirit of the living God. It is carved not on tablets of stone, but on human hearts."

Colossians 2:9-15 talks about the Circumcision of Christ, or, an Operation of Faith. In this moment when Jesus performs His Holy Operation of Faith upon the Heart of His Chosen Elect, the Curse is cut away and removed forever and it is replaced the Divine Nature. The Sinful Nature is replaced with the Divine Nature . . . and along with that new Nature (hence the New Man), Spiritual Laws are carved into that Elected Person's Heart . . . SO THAT . . . they will be Transformed and begin to produce fruit . . . and obey. These are the Promises of God that He gave to Abraham so that Abraham could walk before Him Righteous and Blameless.

Genesis 17:1 KJV - "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I [am] the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect."

Above, God wasn't asking Abraham to be Perfect, but the Lord Imputed Perfection into Abraham, thus Abraham was made Perfect, Righteous, and Holy. Genesis 17 is where physical circumcision is taught to us for the first True time . . . it is instituted in the life of Abraham because of what it represents, which is Circumcision of the Heart.

Now, the Lord tells us what this Circumcision is; what it looks like, and it is found twice in Ezekiel. Once mentioned in Eze chapter 11 and chapter 36; they're nearly identical, but here it is from 36:

Ezekiel 36:25-27 KJV - "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

This is the Operation of Faith so clearly written about in Colossians 2:9-15 above. The Circumcision of Christ causes a person to change, to become Transformed just as Paul taught in Romans 12:2. When God promised that He would put His Spirit in His Elect, He does so to CAUSE US TO WALK, meaning, to obey and become "Perfect." There is a Purpose to Spiritual Circumcision, and it is to remove the Curse of the Lord and to replace that Curse with not only Purity, but with the Divine Nature and its corresponding Laws of the Spirit of Life.

Romans 8:2 NKJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."

2 Peter 1:4 NLT - "And because of his glory and excellence, he has given us great and precious promises. These are the promises that enable you to share his divine nature and escape the world's corruption caused by human desires."

Again, "So that" is the same as "Cause you to walk" which is the same as "enable you to share." To be Enabled is to be empowered! And that is what the Laws of the Spirit of life do. These Laws DO what the Laws written upon stone could not do. Laws upon stone could be shattered and broken, but Laws carved upon the heart are Eternal . . . and they change us. The moral law doesn't change anyone . . . the moral law only tells us what's right and what's wrong. But again, moral laws are not effectual; they cannot change anyone. Moral laws are equated to information . . . nothing more.

"This “letter” is written not with pen and ink, but with the Spirit of the living God. It is carved not on tablets of stone, but on human hearts."

I urge you to read the Bible in a timeline, chronological order, for if you do, you will see that there are four stages to Law. They are:

1) Pre-Law of Moses
2) The Law of Moses
3) The Moral Law given to all of humanity
4) The Laws of the Spirit of Life

The only Law that ever saved anyone is the Law of the Spirit of Life. And the moment a person has received these Laws, this was the moment they were "baptized" into Christ. This is the Baptism that is necessary. This is the Baptism that saves . . . this is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
 
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These are Spiritual Laws that are capable of doing what the Laws written upon stone could not do. The Jews [followed] the Laws that were carved into stone . . . the Jews tried to obey those Laws, but as you know, they couldn't. The Laws of the Spirit of Life are totally opposite, for they are Powerful! Laws written upon stone have no Power. In fact, you may remember when Moses threw the first set of stones upon the ground and they shattered and shattered all over the place. Do you remember God's response? That's right . . . there wasn't one. God showed absolutely no concern over those shattered Laws. That should tell us something right there, for all along, God foreknew that those Laws would become "old" and obsolete.

2 Corinthians 3:3 NLT - "Clearly, you are a letter from Christ showing the result of our ministry among you. This "letter" is written not with pen and ink, but with the Spirit of the living God. It is carved not on tablets of stone, but on human hearts."

Colossians 2:9-15 talks about the Circumcision of Christ, or, an Operation of Faith. In this moment when Jesus performs His Holy Operation of Faith upon the Heart of His Chosen Elect, the Curse is cut away and removed forever and it is replaced the Divine Nature. The Sinful Nature is replaced with the Divine Nature . . . and along with that new Nature (hence the New Man), Spiritual Laws are carved into that Elected Person's Heart . . . SO THAT . . . they will be Transformed and begin to produce fruit . . . and obey. These are the Promises of God that He gave to Abraham so that Abraham could walk before Him Righteous and Blameless.

Genesis 17:1 KJV - "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I [am] the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect."

Above, God wasn't asking Abraham to be Perfect, but the Lord Imputed Perfection into Abraham, thus Abraham was made Perfect, Righteous, and Holy. Genesis 17 is where physical circumcision is taught to us for the first True time . . . it is instituted in the life of Abraham because of what it represents, which is Circumcision of the Heart.

Now, the Lord tells us what this Circumcision is; what it looks like, and it is found twice in Ezekiel. Once mentioned in Eze chapter 11 and chapter 36; they're nearly identical, but here it is from 36:

Ezekiel 36:25-27 KJV - "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

This is the Operation of Faith so clearly written about in Colossians 2:9-15 above. The Circumcision of Christ causes a person to change, to become Transformed just as Paul taught in Romans 12:2. When God promised that He would put His Spirit in His Elect, He does so to CAUSE US TO WALK, meaning, to obey and become "Perfect." There is a Purpose to Spiritual Circumcision, and it is to remove the Curse of the Lord and to replace that Curse with not only Purity, but with the

Divine Nature and its corresponding Laws of the Spirit of Life.

Romans 8:2 NKJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."

2 Peter 1:4 NLT - "And because of his glory and excellence, he has given us great and precious promises. These are the promises that enable you to share his divine nature and escape the world's corruption caused by human desires."

Again, "So that" is the same as "Cause you to walk" which is the same as "enable you to share." To be Enabled is to be empowered! And that is what the Laws of the Spirit of life do. These Laws DO what the Laws written upon stone could not do. Laws upon stone could be shattered and broken, but Laws carved upon the heart are Eternal . . . and they change us. The moral law doesn't change anyone . . . the moral law only tells us what's right and what's wrong. But again, moral laws are not effectual; they cannot change anyone. Moral laws are equated to information . . . nothing more.

"This “letter” is written not with pen and ink, but with the Spirit of the living God. It is carved not on tablets of stone, but on human hearts."

I urge you to read the Bible in a timeline, chronological order, for if you do, you will see that there are four stages to Law. They are:

1) Pre-Law of Moses
2) The Law of Moses
3) The Moral Law given to all of humanity
4) The Laws of the Spirit of Life

The only Law that ever saved anyone is the Law of the Spirit of Life. And the moment a person has received these Laws, this was the moment they were "baptized" into Christ. This is the Baptism that is necessary. This is the Baptism that saves . . . this is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
You said: "The only Law that ever saved anyone is the Law of the Spirit of Life". So Jesus who sacrificed Himself, does not save you?

Does the law of the Spirit of life say being unclothed is a sin?
 

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You said: "The only Law that ever saved anyone is the Law of the Spirit of Life". So Jesus who sacrificed Himself, does not save you?

Does the law of the Spirit of life say being unclothed is a sin?
You're not understanding the things that I'm telling you, and I'm not understanding the questions that you repeatedly asked.