One taken,one left. The rapture.
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I like this = "WE BELIEVE WHAT IS WRITTEN AS IT IS WRITTEN AND NOT IN A WAY THAT IS NOT WRITTEN"
Would that be for the WAR going on in heaven?
Or has the war ended by then?
Or is this to take place in the middle of the war in heaven?
POST TRIBS BELIEVE CHRIST OBEYS THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY WHEN HE SAYS 'TILL ENEMIES FOOTSTOOL'.
MEANING SATAN COMES FIRST. So, do not let yourself be deceived by any man. AND do not believe ANYONE who say's Christ comes first such as LO THERE IS CHRIST OR THERE IS CHRIST. BELIEVE THEM NOT.
John 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.
Psalm 116:1 I love the LORD, because He hath heard my voice and my supplications.
2 Because He hath inclined his ear unto me, therefore will I call upon Him as long as I live.
3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.
4 Then called I upon the name of the LORD; O LORD, I beseech thee, deliver my soul.
5 Gracious is the LORD, and righteous; yea, our God is merciful.
6 The LORD preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and He helped me.
7 Return unto thy rest, O my soul; for the LORD hath dealt bountifully with thee.
8 For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling.
9 I will walk before the LORD in the land of the living.
10 I believed, therefore have I spoken: I was greatly afflicted:
11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.
12 What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits toward me?
13 I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD.
14 I will pay my vows unto the LORD now in the presence of all his people.
15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of His saints.
16 O LORD, truly I am thy servant; I am thy servant, and the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds.
17 I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of the LORD.
18 I will pay my vows unto the LORD now in the presence of all his people.
19 In the courts of the LORD's house, in the midst of thee, O Jerusalem. Praise ye the LORD.
3368. yaqar
Strong's Concordance
yaqar: precious, rare, splendid, weighty
Original Word: יָקָר
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: yaqar
Phonetic Spelling: (yaw-kawr')
Definition: precious, rare, splendid, weighty
I'm not sure if Paul’s account of that third heaven experience (2 Cor 12:1-4) is the same sense of “rapture” as these other examples. We don’t know whether it was a disembodied experience (common of visions/revelations), or a bodily departure as these examples mentioned above. In my previous post, I underlined what I meant by a "rapture event" as a bodily departure from one place to another.
"""There is no "wedding [i.e. MARRIAGE]" without the "Bride / Wife"... your sentence doesn't even make reasonable sense."""
The wedding is in place before ANY GROOM OR BRIDE arrives.
" i am going to the wedding"
Does not mean there is no such place, preparations, or festivities unless the bride and groom are physically there.
The Father tells the son to go fetch the bride.
Where is Jesus at that command?
In heaven, at the wedding.
He leaves from the wedding, to fetch the bride back to heaven, or, back to the wedding.
( from the wedding, back to the wedding)
They find you made, that the wedding and the supper are the same word, really seals the deal, that the marriage and supper are in heaven.
The subject is the rapture. One taken-left.
The marriage in heaven obviously takes place before Jesus returns with the wife,on white horses in Revelation 19.
In the Jewish marriage dynamic, the newlywed husband, would not go to war for an extended period of time.
Therefore the marriage would have been completed for some time ,in Heaven, for the bride, which would be called the wife, in Revelation 19 descends , on horses, with Jesus to the battle.
the wedding and the wedding festivities, are the same greek word.
That is what you inadvertantly illustrated.
That solidly places the wedding and feast in heaven.
Jesus has a glorified body.
Jesus ate and drank in his glorified body.
Jesus declared ,at the last supper, ( in conflict to your assumptions) that HE WOULD DRINK WINE WITH HIS FAMILY in heaven.That would mean they had glorified bodies.
Your erroneous assumptions would have disembodied spirits drinking wine in heaven.
Nope.
That tells you right there ,there will be those in heaven with glorified bodies.
But i do understand your need for that to not be true.
IOW, you backtrack it to think your assumption is viable.
You think because YOU cant find a verse, then any assumption you make, you can get away with it.
I have shown you the 144k in heaven.
We see Jesus At The Last Supper declare that the glorified Saints in heaven would drink wine with him.
We also see the Saints in Revelation 19 on white horses, ready to descend with Jesus to the battle. It says right there that the bride has become the wife.
I have proven scripturally that the one taken Matthew 24 is taken to heaven that is the rapture. It says right after "one will be taken one will be left", to watch and be ready for Jesus.
So that's at least four Witnesses against your wild assumption that there is no Rapture to heaven ,and that the one taken one left is not taking to heaven, and that Jesus was mistaken when he said that he would drink wine with his family ,with Saints in glorified bodies, in heaven.
All those are witnesses against your deal.
You are starting with an assumption.
Your assumption is a post-tribulation rapture.
And about all you got left, that you think is true, is that no one Resurrected or with a glorified body goes to heaven.
And you think because you can gloss over verses, you actually have some kind of standing on your last desperate deal concerning glorified bodies. None of it is true and I have demonstrated it as such
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"""PRE TRIB APOSTASY HAS NO IDEA WHAT POST TRIBS BELIEVE EVEN WHEN THEY SAY THEY DO.
SO TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR
WE BELIEVE ALL THE SAINTS ARE a part of the wedding supper.
BUT WE definitely DON'T believe it takes place ANYWHERE NEAR when, where, how, or even WITH WHOM as THE APOSTASY DOES.
ONE THING WE DON'T DO
IS TAKE WHAT IS WRITTEN AS TO WHEN 'THE MARRIAGE SUPPER' TAKES PLACE (AFTER JUDGMENT)
AND
PLACE IT BEFORE TRIBULATION, BE THAT SATANS OR THE GREATS, LIKE THE APOSTASY DOES."""
^^^^^^Makes no sense^^^^^^^
"""PRE TRIB APOSTASY HAS NO IDEA WHAT POST TRIBS BELIEVE EVEN WHEN THEY SAY THEY DO.
SO TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR
WE BELIEVE ALL THE SAINTS ARE a part of the wedding supper.
BUT WE definitely DON'T believe it takes place ANYWHERE NEAR when, where, how, or even WITH WHOM as THE APOSTASY DOES.
ONE THING WE DON'T DO
IS TAKE WHAT IS WRITTEN AS TO WHEN 'THE MARRIAGE SUPPER' TAKES PLACE (AFTER JUDGMENT)
AND
PLACE IT BEFORE TRIBULATION, BE THAT SATANS OR THE GREATS, LIKE THE APOSTASY DOES."""
^^^^^^Makes no sense^^^^^^^
Says the adherents with no verses.
Your last desperado deal is comical.
" show me anywhere on the white bird where " white bird" is written on it". And you think you've inverted the entire Bible off of that wild assumption . The last trick you can pull from the Hat, (and you just keep hammering away at it) is the old" show me a verse that has Saints taken to heaven".
We see enoch, Elijah,and the 2 witnesses for starters.
Then those others i showed you guys.
Stop lying
Lot is a huge problem.
He was removed.PREJUDGEMENT.
They went and got him
He was taken.
Kinda like the one on the roof dynamic.
SO WAS THE BABY JESUS.
But hey, no postribber will acknowledge that.
Red flag big time.
Banished or reframed into
"lot had zoar"
Uh huh.
Slander and lies.
Nothing of that applies to myself.
You have no postrib rapture verses....just trolling and stabbing at the air as you are now demonstrating.
You know, when your doctrine is BASED ON slander and mocking your opponent...you are just validating my position.
...and making a fool outta yourself.
Your erroneous Doctrine began with the church fathers. They saw such Great Tribulation, that they actually thought they were in the Great Tribulation. Israel was destroyed and the Jewish people scattered throughout the world.
So you can't really blame SOME OF THEM , for thinking erroneously ,that there was no pre-tribulation rapture, and that they were in the Great Tribulation.
So that is the foundation of what you believe. It was spawned out of error and was the doctrine of some of those men, but had nothing to do with the Bible or heaven or God.
So that's where your Doctrine came from.
mock that one
At least I speak coherent sentences in a respectful manner, while you've nothing but trolling.
Early church fathers have more credibility than you and any TV preacher who had brainwashed you with all these junk.
More untruths.
I invite you to stop your lies and get a bible.
State your doctrine.
Post your verses
We dont need another thread locked, like what you did in the last thread you invaded.
Shows you never looked into it.
No bible
No verses
No constructive contribution.
Here you are.
In here to start your juvenile back and forth mess like you did in the other thread that got locked.