Alcohol - a world wide phenomena
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Thank you. Most appreciated. All that was asked. I see the love now in demonstration.
Prov 14:9: "Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour."
In other words this thread is not for jokes, or levity, but rather for serious discussion and prayerful bible study.
I respond to everything I can in the time I have. If any feel that something was missed or neglected by myself, it was not intentional or purposeful. Simply direct my attention to anything that you think I need to respond to, consider more carefully.
From my perspective, they are simply citing texts without contextual study of the words utilized. In other words simply posting scripture which they think proves their point, but when seen in contextual study is counter to their held belief on this topic.
No, my statement about 'lack' was specific to neglect of consideration of the research counter to your stated position. I do not fault you as being lacking in Christian charity for an erroneous position. Now that you are considering, I pray fully, the material provided, I see your Christian charity in demonstration by considering a counter point of view.
My point of view is that sobriety is recommended, and highly favored. My point of view is that alcohol is also not only allowed, but also recommended under certain circumstances for people in specific situations. These things are plainly stated in Scripture. My point of view is that anyone who says drinking is wrong under any and all circumstances is sadly mistaken and lacking in understanding of what Scripture actually teaches on the matter. Pointing these things out does not mean I am all in favor of anyone drinking at any time for any reason. Pointing these things out does not even mean I think alcohol is okay for everyone to drink. However, refusing to admit that alcohol is allowed and not sinful when used responsibly is the viewpoint of some here, and that is clearly wrong.
Isn't that what everyone is doing, posting scripture which they think proves a point, including yourself?
Actually, you are doing fine in the forum decorum department in how that you conduct yourself.
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Saying that alcohol use is sinful and forbidden by scripture is substandard doctrine and clearly contradicts the word of God.
You get a 3-foot long rubber band. You hook it onto a fence post. You pull on it as hard as you can. You relax your pull. You repeat this process one million times. You accomplish nothing.
This is what's known as an exercise in futility, an absolute waste of time...much like trying to talk sense to some people.
You get a 3-foot long rubber band. You hook it onto a fence post. You pull on it as hard as you can. You relax your pull. You repeat this process one million times. You accomplish nothing.
This is what's known as an exercise in futility, an absolute waste of time...much like trying to talk sense to some people.
Should one drink alcohol if it causes someone to stumble? Is it forbidden in this case?
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Paul says he will not do that which will cause those who are weak in faith and conscience to stumble. Is it forbidden in that case? Why do you ask? It seems you wish to point to one scenario as if it were applicable in all scenarios. You refused to even admit that alcohol is good for some things according to Scripture, which goes against what you claimed, that nothing good could come from it.
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So it's settled. Drinking alcohol in itself is not sinful, just getting drunk. As far as changing topics, this thread is about alcohol.
Accepted. No worries. I try to be as serious as possible on this and other subjects. I personally think lives are at stake, as well the right understanding of God's character.
It's not the individual texts that are being neglected, but their study in context that is being missed by many. Instead of citing one text and scenario and looking together at the context, many individual texts, apart from context are being displayed, and then when the context is asked for, yet other individual texts are thrown in, and nothing much is studied on the previous text/s that was cited.
For instance, the wedding of Cana is mentioned but hardly anything was discussed in regards to it at all.
Simply citing such or even a single text is not proper study of that text in context, neither is such 'proof' of a position no matter how many times it is stated that it is. This goes for all in this thread.
We need to come together, look at such in detail, fear no question, ask God for wisdom at each point and talk to one another about why we believe what we believe. I am always open to have my position and statements carefully considered. I, however, dislike it when Christians simply dismiss out of hand, or refuse to consider a differing position, as I personally hold. They might say they heard it before from someone else -- maybe so -- but I am not them. I treat each person here as a unique individual and try to set my position before them. I take each person and their view as special each time and try to engage that person without lumping them as others gone beforehand.