'Reductionist' versus 'Complete' view of the Gospel
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But sir, if we followed your line of thinking, it would mean that we should hand people over to Satan so that ultimately they would be saved (see below). At some point, we have to use the concept of "context."
1 Corinthians 5:5 KJV - "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
1 Corinthians 5:5 KJV - "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
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But we are. There is only one process of Salvation. Perhaps you meant to say that not all are saved to DO the same Holy Works. 
I was not aware of the Holy Spirit baptism for I never could read the Word. The Holy Spirit entered into me after I had a n honest talk to You are Who You are, not knowing what to call Him
I was not about to eat or sleep until I had a response. My heart was broken because of mankind's inhumanity to man
I fell into a deep sleep. I dreamed a dream, just for me though all know of the content. Yet I did not know fully.
The following day, walking across the Quadrangle of the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana, again talking to You are Who You are. I was sayign, "Gee mankind is really bad. He is really wicked. Hey! I am a man, and YOU are IT."
A series of events occurred continually for three years beginning with myu being lead to a Bible opened face down in a coffee shop that night. I picked it up and began to read. Each ine moved me to say , wow that is right *amen in other words. Looking to the top of the pages I say, Isaiah. Looking at the cover, it was the Oxfor Study Bible.
The following day I went to the Student Union Book Store, and bought my own copy.
Up until this experience, I could not read more than a line or two of the Word and it seemed to make no sense at all. After it made all sense. I could not put it down
I read it, and read it again and again, and I still read it.
So all are saved in this manner according to you. The only similarity which must be is Jesus Yeshua came into my being, and I know He is the Only Begotten Son of the Most High God.
You talk a lot in this forum but you accuse and berate just as much. Until you can change your ways, I will pray for you and may you be blessed with a compassionate heart with other in the future without your spot judgment without right judgement.
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Wow. This really caught me off-guard. Can you show me what my sin is so that I can correct it? Please show me where I have launched an attack on an innocent person. Please show me where I wasn't defending myself, or others. Please show me where I have judged another person's heart, or their thoughts.
Ahhh, gotchya. So . . . you're not going to show me what it is that I've done? If you don't give me something to work with, then you're the troll. Look at yourself . . . you're coming at me out of the blue . . . no rhyme or reason. What do you expect me to do? Apologize for something that you can't even describe? Come on man . . . throw the dog a bone.
I have no idea of what you're talking about. When you can show me what the problem is, I'd be happy to deal with it.
And honestly, since you're being so rude, you're more than welcome to join me on a live video chat so that you can say these things to my face. I'd appreciate it if you'd do that.
And honestly, since you're being so rude, you're more than welcome to join me on a live video chat so that you can say these things to my face. I'd appreciate it if you'd do that.
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I'm not sure what your objection is to what was shared.
My point concerning Acts 2:38-39, was that the people believed Peter's account concerning Jesus but did not immediately receive the Holy Ghost at that point. They asked Peter what was required of them. His response included the fact that they could expect to receive the Holy Ghost.
The same thing occurred in the Samaritan conversion account in Acts 8. The group believed Philip's message that included the requirement to submit to water baptism in the name of Jesus and obeyed. However, they did not receive the Holy Ghost until days later. It is interesting to note that the people knew they had not received the Holy Ghost. How did they know this? One can conclude they knew it because they did not speak in tongues. The bible confirms speaking in tongues accompanies the infilling of the Holy Ghost as seen in at least 3 other conversion accounts. (Acts 2:4, 33; 10:44-46, 19:6)
My point concerning Acts 2:38-39, was that the people believed Peter's account concerning Jesus but did not immediately receive the Holy Ghost at that point. They asked Peter what was required of them. His response included the fact that they could expect to receive the Holy Ghost.
The same thing occurred in the Samaritan conversion account in Acts 8. The group believed Philip's message that included the requirement to submit to water baptism in the name of Jesus and obeyed. However, they did not receive the Holy Ghost until days later. It is interesting to note that the people knew they had not received the Holy Ghost. How did they know this? One can conclude they knew it because they did not speak in tongues. The bible confirms speaking in tongues accompanies the infilling of the Holy Ghost as seen in at least 3 other conversion accounts. (Acts 2:4, 33; 10:44-46, 19:6)
You're not making any sense.
Without any dialog between us, you come out of the blue and accuse me of things. I asked you to show me what it is that I have done and you have refused to do it. That is not right. Let me show you what you're doing:
I take you to court and tell a judge, "JaumeJ stole my bicycle and I want to sue him for it!"
The judge would then say, "Ok 2TG. What evidence do you have?" I then say, "Well, I don't have any."
The judge would then say, "Case dismissed."
JaumeJ . . . I have asked you to show me what it is that I have done so that I could take responsibility for it. I don't know what else it is that I could possibly offer to you other than to just lay down and accept this . . . whatever it is that you're doing.
Seriously . . . what do you expect of me if you won't show me what it is that I have done? It isn't enough to cast accusations . . . you must SHOW me what I have done. Now, we have wasted all of this time with senseless writing back and forth, and so by this time, you could have easily just showed me what I have done. And since you refuse to do that . . . you are clearly just another person that, for whatever reason, enjoys going after people for no logical reason. So you can feel sorry for me all you like . . . those words don't hurt my feelings at all . . . which is the point of you saying all that you're saying. You are trying to change me, not with positive words, but with negative words. If you want to find someone to feel sorry for, go find a mirror. Good grief. And, if this continues, you'll be the next person to join my Ignore List.
If I am in the wrong, then you have an obligation to help me. But if you refuse to help me, then you have done nothing but made YOURSELF an enemy to another person. It's time to grow up and start acting like a man.
Without any dialog between us, you come out of the blue and accuse me of things. I asked you to show me what it is that I have done and you have refused to do it. That is not right. Let me show you what you're doing:
I take you to court and tell a judge, "JaumeJ stole my bicycle and I want to sue him for it!"
The judge would then say, "Ok 2TG. What evidence do you have?" I then say, "Well, I don't have any."
The judge would then say, "Case dismissed."
JaumeJ . . . I have asked you to show me what it is that I have done so that I could take responsibility for it. I don't know what else it is that I could possibly offer to you other than to just lay down and accept this . . . whatever it is that you're doing.
Seriously . . . what do you expect of me if you won't show me what it is that I have done? It isn't enough to cast accusations . . . you must SHOW me what I have done. Now, we have wasted all of this time with senseless writing back and forth, and so by this time, you could have easily just showed me what I have done. And since you refuse to do that . . . you are clearly just another person that, for whatever reason, enjoys going after people for no logical reason. So you can feel sorry for me all you like . . . those words don't hurt my feelings at all . . . which is the point of you saying all that you're saying. You are trying to change me, not with positive words, but with negative words. If you want to find someone to feel sorry for, go find a mirror. Good grief. And, if this continues, you'll be the next person to join my Ignore List.
If I am in the wrong, then you have an obligation to help me. But if you refuse to help me, then you have done nothing but made YOURSELF an enemy to another person. It's time to grow up and start acting like a man.