How is the KJV corrupt?

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ResidentAlien

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Just wondering, why baffled with Kjb English? Is it because of its antiquity? Do you not realize the the Hebrew or Greek is more antiquated and considered to be of the dead language? i believe those language were once chose by God to have its use being the common language of their time. God uses language to proclaim his very purpose to all the world and God is using the English to spread the his word.
The only problem with this theory is the KJV derived from Greek, Hebrew, and other earlier English versions based on the same.
 

Nehemiah6

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The only problem with this theory is the KJV derived from Greek, Hebrew, and other earlier English versions based on the same.
Of course the KJV or KVB is an English translation based upon the Hebrew and Greek "traditional" texts. But the objective of the translators was to supersede all other earlier English translations, and they did achieve this objective.

It is also no accident that English became the "lingua franca" or common language of the world for at least the last 200 years. As a matter of fact the English language was molded by the King James Bible, and scholars recognize this Bible as an English "classic". So just as Greek was the lingua franca of the Roman empire, English is now the universal language of the world. And the King James Bible -- after over 400 years -- is still the most faithful and trustworthy English translation.
 
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"A higher plane," hehe
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You are obviously a brilliant scholar and you know more than all the linguistic experts put together. Since they are irresponsible and have some kind of hidden agenda to deceive the church and send us all to hell, why don't you produce your own version?
No. I'm not called to do that. I do occasionally write out books of the Bible as rhyming poetry (for two of my published books, I did Psalms and Ruth) but I stay as close to the KJV as possible and make it clear that my work is not a replacement for Scripture.

I'm not a brilliant scholar. I'm just a truth seeker who has looked into things in more detail than most others, apparently. Oh, and YES, there is an agenda to deceive the church and send us all to Hell. The Bible actually talks about it a good bit. Here are some Bible related FACTS for your consideration.

- Every time that Satan interacts with humans, he uses God's Word and twists it.
- There are over 900 English language Bible versions and they greatly contradict each other.
- Westcott and Hort, the Anglican priests who came up with the critical method used in virtually all modern Bibles, were unbelievers who intended to change how "Christianity was done." This is apparent from their own books and letters.
- Because the Bible is the number one bestselling book of all time, those who serve mammon rather than God see it as a business opportunity.
- A lot of wicked people have used Bible translations to push their own agendas. The NIV's Dr. Virginia Mollencott, for example, is a lesbian and this is a big part of why that version is so soft on homosexuality.

But hey, don't mind the facts friend. Also, I have a great piece of real estate in Heaven I can sell you for cheap, hit me up if you're interested, lol
 

ResidentAlien

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Of course the KJV or KVB is an English translation based upon the Hebrew and Greek "traditional" texts. But the objective of the translators was to supersede all other earlier English translations, and they did achieve this objective.
fredofheaven said "Do you not realize the the Hebrew or Greek is more antiquated and considered to be of the dead language? i believe those language were once chose by God to have its use being the common language of their time."

The implication is God uses the common language of the time to spread His word. But this whole theory is shot full of holes. If it's true, the KJV is based on dead languages because it comes from Greek and Hebrew. Secondly, KJV English isn't the common language of the time. It stopped being the common language of the time a long time ago.
 

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If it's true, the KJV is based on dead languages because it comes from Greek and Hebrew.
Actually neither Hebrew nor Greek are "dead" languages. They are very much alive and very much in use. So the KJV is NOT based on dead languages. And whether you like it or not, English is indeed the common language of the world today.

"There are more than 1 billion people who speak English, making it the most widely spoken language. There are 5 billion speakers in the world. Recent years have seen English take a dominant position on the internet and in international communication, particularly when it comes to digital communication."
https://www.ilovelanguages.com/what-language-is-spoken-mostly-in-the-world/
 
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fredofheaven said "Do you not realize the the Hebrew or Greek is more antiquated and considered to be of the dead language? i believe those language were once chose by God to have its use being the common language of their time."

The implication is God uses the common language of the time to spread His word. But this whole theory is shot full of holes. If it's true, the KJV is based on dead languages because it comes from Greek and Hebrew. Secondly, KJV English isn't the common language of the time. It stopped being the common language of the time a long time ago.
I think concerning the languages God chose, foresight is a bigger factor than the commonality. Greek allowed the Scriptures to propagate easily amongst the Gentiles. English has done the same in the modern world. I would say if anything God uses the language of the future to propagate His Word.

I don't know what the next world language will be. Maybe it will always be English.

But if we are being technically correct, the KJV is written in Elizabethan English, also called EARLY MODERN ENGLISH. Still perfectly viable. My mother taught me from the KJV, and it will be the primary version used in my home with my children should I ever have any.
 

ResidentAlien

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Actually neither Hebrew nor Greek are "dead" languages. They are very much alive and very much in use. So the KJV is NOT based on dead languages. And whether you like it or not, English is indeed the common language of the world today.
Okay, if you say so. Sounds like your issue is with fred, better take it up with him.
 

ResidentAlien

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I think concerning the languages God chose, foresight is a bigger factor than the commonality. Greek allowed the Scriptures to propagate easily amongst the Gentiles. English has done the same in the modern world. I would say if anything God uses the language of the future to propagate His Word.

I don't know what the next world language will be. Maybe it will always be English.

But if we are being technically correct, the KJV is written in Elizabethan English, also called EARLY MODERN ENGLISH. Still perfectly viable. My mother taught me from the KJV, and it will be the primary version used in my home with my children should I ever have any.
Okay, if you say so.
 
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No, because the evidence backs up these things. The evidence of historical hindsight. The FACT that the KJV is Early Modern English and the most influential work written in the English language even today.

And the personal experience that learning from the KJV at a very young age prepared me exceptionally well for success in school. I was a Distinguished Scholar in my home state and had a better than 100% average in English for my four years of high school. Not a brag, my mom and the Heavenly Father get credit for those things.
 

ResidentAlien

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No, because the evidence backs up these things. The evidence of historical hindsight. The FACT that the KJV is Early Modern English and the most influential work written in the English language even today.

And the personal experience that learning from the KJV at a very young age prepared me exceptionally well for success in school. I was a Distinguished Scholar in my home state and had a better than 100% average in English for my four years of high school. Not a brag, my mom and the Heavenly Father get credit for those things.
Okay
 

Dino246

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Perhaps Abs is speaking to the the difference in prepositions used, KJV's "of" the Son, Berean's "from" the Son, and the others' "in" the Son?
This is used by at least one onlyist to "prove" that it is not "our" faith that saves, but Jesus' faith.
 

John146

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I can agree with you that the translation is still the word of God. However, any translation of the word of God is the word of God. That is not exclusive to the KJV, no matter what the onlyists choose to believe.
False. Things that are different are not the same. Two separate versions cannot be both the word of God when they contain different words and different truths. “Thy word is truth.“ Words matter to God. Truth matters to God.
 

Dino246

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False. Things that are different are not the same. Two separate versions cannot be both the word of God when they contain different words and different truths. “Thy word is truth.“ Words matter to God. Truth matters to God.
Yada yada yada. This is an old canard, and has no substance to it. You're simply blowing wind.
 
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Really? Then how is it that they were unaware of the Granville Sharp rule? Your assertion is ridiculously devoid of reality.
Granville Sharp rule

What in the world is that???
never heard of it
 
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I wanna sing, "I'm not half the man I used to be... " but gosh, some might take it literally LOL :LOL:
That girl in the movie "elizabethtown" for some reason seems to be you in my imagination.
Am I correct???
 

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Just thought we are talking about the English scripture and not the Hebrew or Greek. Give you just s basic about translation if you may, that when Jesus and the Apostles quoted the Old Testament Hebrew text, the apostles being the writer have written it in Greek would constitute of what we call translation. Hence translation is the word of God.
translation is the work of scholars, not God. It is a fact, that the greek or hebrew quotes are word for word from the LXX.
 

TheLearner

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Just wondering, why baffled with Kjb English? Is it because of its antiquity? Do you not realize the the Hebrew or Greek is more antiquated and considered to be of the dead language? i believe those language were once chose by God to have its use being the common language of their time. God uses language to proclaim his very purpose to all the world and God is using the English to spread the his word.
The origianl langages are not translations.