Pondering Revival of the saints.
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so telling the truth is yielding to me? LOL. Here is what we know 1. you have said you were a satanist in post 476 of the "Tongues is a precious gift from God".
2. You have never publically stated why you were a Satanist.
3. You avoid the very question when asked
4. You have yet to provide one thread that is not critical of the church yet give the Occult a pass. Unless it is mocking and scoffing The gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Pondering Revival of the saints.
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first, off they are the only question you can answer and God knows.
Why did you become a Satanist? Why did you leave it?
You avoid the question and create a false narrative of bad English, judgment, yielding to others,s, etc..
Yet you want us to take your position on the church history as hurting more than helpful based on your thread here.
Why did you become a Satanist? Why did you leave it?
You avoid the question and create a false narrative of bad English, judgment, yielding to others,s, etc..
Yet you want us to take your position on the church history as hurting more than helpful based on your thread here.
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Well you do like to change the boundaries around. First you ask me if I have ever been a Satanist and when I won't answer you - you quietly inflect a different meaning - and then when I say I have already given my condition when I was saved you then tell me that I have said that I was a Satanist @#476. Yet now you tell me that I have never stated publicly why I was a Satanist. Are we going to give glory to the enemy of our souls? Or to Christ? In the same thread @#539 I speak of having been an occult theosopher with satanic predications and finally, @#806 I also say that I was one time a satanist - only in that instance it was with a reference to the Hebrides - which is part of this post - only now it is in context of three well tested to and well documented revivals.
Take the dress off and put your pants back on, brother.
Take the dress off and put your pants back on, brother.
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the subtle overly use of Church History out of Context I might add, to speak to the ineffectiveness and lasting faith that happens from a Move of God in what is or was called Revival, and will not speak against the truth of the deception one has come out of, is deceptive in itself. Furthermore, there is not used one quote or verse or text, a passage used in the entire THREAD, SPEAKING on a move of God in the Bible. Which is seen as normative from Genesis to the book of Acts. Only humanistic secular perspective. Why is this important?
To identify deception and pride stemming from a learned calculated tactic to deceive and misrepresent a move of God from church history.
those who use this tactic.
To identify deception and pride stemming from a learned calculated tactic to deceive and misrepresent a move of God from church history.
those who use this tactic.
- atheist
- secular humanist
- liberal theologians
- Satanist and the Occult.
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I would expect you to say such a thing about men wearing dresses please you are the expert.
in addition prior to asking you two questions about where you ever a satanist and why did you leave, you avoided it like the plague.
Now resort to more childish behavior. why did you leave it? it is an important question. Leave the insults and answer the question.
in addition prior to asking you two questions about where you ever a satanist and why did you leave, you avoided it like the plague.
Now resort to more childish behavior. why did you leave it? it is an important question. Leave the insults and answer the question.
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Now we come to the heart of the matter. Obedience does not mean something that seems equal to willingness. Obedience means compliance. What therefore is obedience? If we have a mind to know what obedience means, then we could look no further than to Christ Himself. Christ was obedient unto death.
"And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him. And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation. And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow, And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation."
Shortly after my conversion, I was reading this passage of Scripture (above), and a strange thing happened. For a few moments, it was as though I were a witness to Christ in this agony of prayer. Having just read this passage, I realised that the disciples were asleep from sorrow and yet by the Spirit it was possible to see what they had not seen with their eyes. I was so shocked that I began to feel a real sense of grief. How such things are possible I cannot say, other than the Father wanted me to know something essential. The sorrow that had pressed the disciples to sleep became for me waking grief. Even though I was physically in my cell, and nearly more than nineteen centuries ahead of this event, for a moment I was present in a vision, and it was almost more than I could bear to see. I very nearly began to cry, and then the Father removed the vision, and I was transformed back into my own life.
Some days earlier I had been similarly transformed in the Spirit and found myself having visions of men and women healed out of their beds. Of hospitals finding no power to resist what was happening, and realising that there is no argument when a man or woman is raised from their bed in which they were to die, and found to be well and whole. Who can argue with that – no matter what the law speaks about preserving others dignity and beliefs in their sick beds? I also had visions of crowds of people hearing about the Lord in terms which were equal to addressing their many problems and weaknesses. I was a mere babe in Christ and a foolish young man of no worth. Yet by the Father's will, I saw into things in visions that pressed me into adoration and utter worship of God. One instant in such a mind and vision I suddenly realised that I was not seeing many unbelievers being saved, but many believers. Then I became momentarily confused, and like the young man I was, I rushed to the Father and asked Him what these things mean, and more especially why I saw these things. He told me, and so I found peace.
Of Visions & Hope
Another time whilst in the Spirit, and being utterly grateful to God for Christ, and seeing that I had been given everything that pertained unto eternal life, I boasted that there was nothing I would not do for God, as God had done everything for me. Suddenly I was in a vision, and the Lord was asking me if I would go 'this far' for Him. What I saw was myself being led down to the steps of a gallows to be hung by the neck. In an instant, my whole man, soul and body shrank back, and it seemed as if I were about to endure death. Forgetting that I was laid on my bed, I was compelled to address a certain outcome if I were obedient to my boast that I would do anything for God. For some moments I could not find a response outside my mind and body of fear, and then I found my spirit rising to the only answer that was possible. I said, "Lord if you are with me, I will do it." Then I found myself as I was throughout, on my bed. In this way by reading the Scripture and having visions the Lord taught me what obedience means. Not my own, but the obedience of Christ.
It would be all too easy to imagine that such visions and the teaching that comes from them make us spiritual men and women. If we do that – then what I know, because I know all the detail of my own life these past thirty-eight years since these visions were received – visions cannot of themselves achieve anything. If they could, then I am not lying when I say that I would be a perfect man. However, I am not a perfect man, and I have stumbled in many ways. Unless we grasp that it is our walk of obedience that is the proof – no matter how much we have received – then we have judged ourselves in no way, and have taken our stand on things that cannot be held to our credit. And even is saying this, such a realisation brings us to who we are – and not who God would have us to become.
Our hearts may be right, but if our walk is faulty then are we not faulty? If we are sincere in our faith then visions that cause us to know God and Christ, only serve to press us into seeing that it is the flesh that hinders us. In that pressing we are inclined to condemn ourselves, and others being demonic in their thinking may crush us, and we will suffer needlessly. So we then rush to the other hand of our faith and we proclaim the blood, and we see the gift of God, and we enter into worship, and suddenly we overcome the flesh, and for one hour we see what it means to be sons of the living God. We become excited and we encourage one another, and by the end of it, we have missed the Cross unto death. Thus being again pressed into the flesh by refusing the Cross we go back to our living faith, we once again judge ourselves and once again we are weighed down, and others once again crush us. When we see the shedding of Christ's blood for sin, we find hope, yet if we will not accept that Christ also died for sin, we miss our deliverance.
"For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause. For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again."
"And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him. And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation. And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow, And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation."
Shortly after my conversion, I was reading this passage of Scripture (above), and a strange thing happened. For a few moments, it was as though I were a witness to Christ in this agony of prayer. Having just read this passage, I realised that the disciples were asleep from sorrow and yet by the Spirit it was possible to see what they had not seen with their eyes. I was so shocked that I began to feel a real sense of grief. How such things are possible I cannot say, other than the Father wanted me to know something essential. The sorrow that had pressed the disciples to sleep became for me waking grief. Even though I was physically in my cell, and nearly more than nineteen centuries ahead of this event, for a moment I was present in a vision, and it was almost more than I could bear to see. I very nearly began to cry, and then the Father removed the vision, and I was transformed back into my own life.
Some days earlier I had been similarly transformed in the Spirit and found myself having visions of men and women healed out of their beds. Of hospitals finding no power to resist what was happening, and realising that there is no argument when a man or woman is raised from their bed in which they were to die, and found to be well and whole. Who can argue with that – no matter what the law speaks about preserving others dignity and beliefs in their sick beds? I also had visions of crowds of people hearing about the Lord in terms which were equal to addressing their many problems and weaknesses. I was a mere babe in Christ and a foolish young man of no worth. Yet by the Father's will, I saw into things in visions that pressed me into adoration and utter worship of God. One instant in such a mind and vision I suddenly realised that I was not seeing many unbelievers being saved, but many believers. Then I became momentarily confused, and like the young man I was, I rushed to the Father and asked Him what these things mean, and more especially why I saw these things. He told me, and so I found peace.
Of Visions & Hope
Another time whilst in the Spirit, and being utterly grateful to God for Christ, and seeing that I had been given everything that pertained unto eternal life, I boasted that there was nothing I would not do for God, as God had done everything for me. Suddenly I was in a vision, and the Lord was asking me if I would go 'this far' for Him. What I saw was myself being led down to the steps of a gallows to be hung by the neck. In an instant, my whole man, soul and body shrank back, and it seemed as if I were about to endure death. Forgetting that I was laid on my bed, I was compelled to address a certain outcome if I were obedient to my boast that I would do anything for God. For some moments I could not find a response outside my mind and body of fear, and then I found my spirit rising to the only answer that was possible. I said, "Lord if you are with me, I will do it." Then I found myself as I was throughout, on my bed. In this way by reading the Scripture and having visions the Lord taught me what obedience means. Not my own, but the obedience of Christ.
It would be all too easy to imagine that such visions and the teaching that comes from them make us spiritual men and women. If we do that – then what I know, because I know all the detail of my own life these past thirty-eight years since these visions were received – visions cannot of themselves achieve anything. If they could, then I am not lying when I say that I would be a perfect man. However, I am not a perfect man, and I have stumbled in many ways. Unless we grasp that it is our walk of obedience that is the proof – no matter how much we have received – then we have judged ourselves in no way, and have taken our stand on things that cannot be held to our credit. And even is saying this, such a realisation brings us to who we are – and not who God would have us to become.
Our hearts may be right, but if our walk is faulty then are we not faulty? If we are sincere in our faith then visions that cause us to know God and Christ, only serve to press us into seeing that it is the flesh that hinders us. In that pressing we are inclined to condemn ourselves, and others being demonic in their thinking may crush us, and we will suffer needlessly. So we then rush to the other hand of our faith and we proclaim the blood, and we see the gift of God, and we enter into worship, and suddenly we overcome the flesh, and for one hour we see what it means to be sons of the living God. We become excited and we encourage one another, and by the end of it, we have missed the Cross unto death. Thus being again pressed into the flesh by refusing the Cross we go back to our living faith, we once again judge ourselves and once again we are weighed down, and others once again crush us. When we see the shedding of Christ's blood for sin, we find hope, yet if we will not accept that Christ also died for sin, we miss our deliverance.
"For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause. For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again."
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You too should go back and read their OP and without bias. Especially that which may be inclined to accepting another's poor judgment of the OP content.
This is what limits the church. People have an attitude that coincides with their personal belief as to what the Gospel means to them and them alone.
And this even overshadows the actual scriptures in the Bible.
And when someone comes along that is more learned, or shows a different perspective on, in this case Revival, the limited one's assail what they first believe is being challenged in their personal set of beliefs because they didn't fairly and with open hearts read what was in this case offered in the OP.
There is no way someone can read the OP and make the claims that are coming against it by you and some other here if, if you had released your personal prejudices and read it with an open heart.
Here's a thought some don't like to consider. YOU could be wrong.
When ego and pride refuse to see that, such afflicted folk shall never see through a clear lens what is brought for correction and for our own good.
This is what limits the church. People have an attitude that coincides with their personal belief as to what the Gospel means to them and them alone.
And this even overshadows the actual scriptures in the Bible.
And when someone comes along that is more learned, or shows a different perspective on, in this case Revival, the limited one's assail what they first believe is being challenged in their personal set of beliefs because they didn't fairly and with open hearts read what was in this case offered in the OP.
There is no way someone can read the OP and make the claims that are coming against it by you and some other here if, if you had released your personal prejudices and read it with an open heart.
Here's a thought some don't like to consider. YOU could be wrong.
When ego and pride refuse to see that, such afflicted folk shall never see through a clear lens what is brought for correction and for our own good.
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Your opinion is skewered. Our God is one. If you feel obligated to ignore people that know that you'll never truly read people who know more than you do.
As to the druid and pagan influences? How would you know those things in order to claim to identify them in someone's writings? And then presume to take issue because those things in your judgment appear in their writings?
As to the other member who focuses on "Satanism", they need reminding. Whomever my brother was formerly is now dead and no longer relevant when they found Christ.
As to the druid and pagan influences? How would you know those things in order to claim to identify them in someone's writings? And then presume to take issue because those things in your judgment appear in their writings?
As to the other member who focuses on "Satanism", they need reminding. Whomever my brother was formerly is now dead and no longer relevant when they found Christ.
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Ay, but I didn't express any opinions other than where it was a matter of personal opinion. But you say I should have spoken of myself. And you now say that the brother is a Oneness Pentecostal. I'll bet he will be roaring with laughter at that. Father, Son and Holy Spirit, One God indivisible in three persons. Stop looking for bogey men evangelist.
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That's not true or you wouldn't have cared to make your posting condemning my opinion.
Here's a thought for you and the other one to consider. Ready? If you don't agree with someone's Apologetic, why not move on? That's the mature thing to do.
And the excuse, "we're to address false doctrine!" , doesn't wash when you can't prove someone's teaching is false when you take it personally and go after the brother personally.
There are some things you don't know about the Bible and the message. Same with me. Be open to learning something rather than deeply and beratingly oppose . Because that doesn't prove you're pov is right. This goes for PR as well.
Rather, it proves you're not mature, Nor open to the leading of God's indwelling spirit in order to stay quiet and learn something that you might consider our Lord has intended to your attention. Because it is something you don't know.
Here's a thought for you and the other one to consider. Ready? If you don't agree with someone's Apologetic, why not move on? That's the mature thing to do.
And the excuse, "we're to address false doctrine!" , doesn't wash when you can't prove someone's teaching is false when you take it personally and go after the brother personally.
There are some things you don't know about the Bible and the message. Same with me. Be open to learning something rather than deeply and beratingly oppose . Because that doesn't prove you're pov is right. This goes for PR as well.
Rather, it proves you're not mature, Nor open to the leading of God's indwelling spirit in order to stay quiet and learn something that you might consider our Lord has intended to your attention. Because it is something you don't know.
You were a fan of Pee Wee Herman weren't you? "I know I am but what are you?"
Your opinion is skewered. Mine just brought that to your attention. That doesn't make it wrong. That makes me observant and candid.
You don't know the basics about our faith.
Let me assist you. The old is done away, behold the new has come.
Whoever you were before you say you came to Christ no longer exists nor matters. If you accept that then you can in no wise claim it doesn't apply to other Christians.
No one has to meet your demands to revive the dead to your satisfaction!
Further, and lastly, Jesus Christ never taught the trinity! And God himself in the Old Testament tells you he is one and beside him there is no Savior. If you use that God given truth and go to the New Testament you'll read God's angel sent unto Mary told her when she delivered her son, begat upon her by God himself, she was to name him Emmanuel. Meaning, GOD WITH us!
When God is in all that he has created, all things are of and from God, insisting on the triune teachings is PAGANISM! To insist there is one God appearing in three persons. Because that is not Biblical! And God himself proves that.
If you can't get past your obsession with our brothers past life that is no longer relevant under Christ's grace, that's your issue! It isn't of God nor the Gospel.
And I'd recommend to my brother in Christ @Rhomphaeam ,don't let such a 1 vex you further. They're not interested in learning what you have to share. They're limited in their understanding. It is up to God to open their heart and mind. It is not, clearly, anything we are able to achieve.
Your opinion is skewered. Mine just brought that to your attention. That doesn't make it wrong. That makes me observant and candid.
You don't know the basics about our faith.
Let me assist you. The old is done away, behold the new has come.
Whoever you were before you say you came to Christ no longer exists nor matters. If you accept that then you can in no wise claim it doesn't apply to other Christians.
No one has to meet your demands to revive the dead to your satisfaction!
Further, and lastly, Jesus Christ never taught the trinity! And God himself in the Old Testament tells you he is one and beside him there is no Savior. If you use that God given truth and go to the New Testament you'll read God's angel sent unto Mary told her when she delivered her son, begat upon her by God himself, she was to name him Emmanuel. Meaning, GOD WITH us!
When God is in all that he has created, all things are of and from God, insisting on the triune teachings is PAGANISM! To insist there is one God appearing in three persons. Because that is not Biblical! And God himself proves that.
If you can't get past your obsession with our brothers past life that is no longer relevant under Christ's grace, that's your issue! It isn't of God nor the Gospel.
And I'd recommend to my brother in Christ @Rhomphaeam ,don't let such a 1 vex you further. They're not interested in learning what you have to share. They're limited in their understanding. It is up to God to open their heart and mind. It is not, clearly, anything we are able to achieve.
I never mentioned Oness, you did. what a joke. And I'm sure he can speak for himself. Please you and I are done. If telling why you left a former belief system is too hard for you. I will accept it is none of my business but don't go and give a long-drawn-out allegorical essay. Yes I know I am not mature, blah blah blah. Fine.
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I can see how if after every revival a time of darkness comes some may have a bit of a distant view on revival but that is how the enemy works after all if the Lord brings forth good crops with wheat of plenty he will poison the field so that the next crops will bear bad ones but the work that was done by the work of the holy spirit is not to be discounted or any less looked on. Revival is always needed as the church has a habit of falling asleep and losing it's fire, perhaps some see it as an answer to their lives or perhaps they just want to see God's hand moves in wonderful ways but one thing for sure is that as it stands the church has fallen asleep.
However this is because we have had it easy for so long, in every account of any group of believers showing a true fire and emboldenment it was always under heavy suffering and persicution where their faith was put under the fire, yes some do go through tis but nowhere near the level of the old churches I am part portuguese Jew and my ancestors originally came from Portuguese they were so persicuted by the catholic church because they either had to convert or be killed some were even captured and tortured until they converted they fled to italy until they eventually came to America now that is persicution these days we get made fun of or mocked for our faith.
RRevival is not always something that happens in good times either sometimes it happens specifically because of harsh times or can be the out come or omen of hard times, so anyone hoping for revival thinking it will be amazing and wonderful seeing God's hand move in mighty ways well you may be right it may very well play out that way however it also may be that it means you are about to enter into great tribulation and your faith will be put to the test.
Now as far as revival goes I haven't heard from God about that I have however had a sense of an anointing coming which seems to be different I'm not really sure how exactly it just feels different
However this is because we have had it easy for so long, in every account of any group of believers showing a true fire and emboldenment it was always under heavy suffering and persicution where their faith was put under the fire, yes some do go through tis but nowhere near the level of the old churches I am part portuguese Jew and my ancestors originally came from Portuguese they were so persicuted by the catholic church because they either had to convert or be killed some were even captured and tortured until they converted they fled to italy until they eventually came to America now that is persicution these days we get made fun of or mocked for our faith.
RRevival is not always something that happens in good times either sometimes it happens specifically because of harsh times or can be the out come or omen of hard times, so anyone hoping for revival thinking it will be amazing and wonderful seeing God's hand move in mighty ways well you may be right it may very well play out that way however it also may be that it means you are about to enter into great tribulation and your faith will be put to the test.
Now as far as revival goes I haven't heard from God about that I have however had a sense of an anointing coming which seems to be different I'm not really sure how exactly it just feels different
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Thanks for the advise. Perhaps I may begin a thread on the subject of the Oneness of God and the indivisibility of the three persons as stated in the creeds of the church. You could knock me down with a feather in what you just said - given my own response to the brother, where I cited that very doctrine you have called pagan.
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Not only are you immature you're woefully ignorant of what it means to be reborn in Christ.
Otherwise, you'd know former lives were buried in the baptism of waters and the Holy Spirit. And he/she that arose from the waters, is made new in Christ.
You don't get that. That's why you're mad when it is brought to your attention that Rhomphaeam has no obligation to expound on what is no longer himself or his life!
You were done with Rhomphaeam when you launched an attack on his teachings that you nary understood. I'm also done with your posts. It isn't healthy for my spirit to read such darkness.
If it be God's will, may he lead you to the light. Amen.
Otherwise, you'd know former lives were buried in the baptism of waters and the Holy Spirit. And he/she that arose from the waters, is made new in Christ.
You don't get that. That's why you're mad when it is brought to your attention that Rhomphaeam has no obligation to expound on what is no longer himself or his life!
You were done with Rhomphaeam when you launched an attack on his teachings that you nary understood. I'm also done with your posts. It isn't healthy for my spirit to read such darkness.
If it be God's will, may he lead you to the light. Amen.
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no one commending your opinion, you have not even given one LOL. Please victim mentality here.
If you don't like the fact one disagrees with the thread don't post it. Hypocrites, you do the very thing on many other posts and when it happens to you you play the victim card.
First off you can't learn from people who think they are intellectually superior to you. This was not an issue until I asked two questions which he avoided like the plague.
IF a person was saved out of satanism and they are asked how and what was the reason why one became a follower of satan is not a wrong question to ask that person. YET the person would not even do so. it was dismissed and scoffed why?
That made me want to know more. The more I asked the more defensive of it one became. You say the person has left the past belief
How do you know that?