The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

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Nehemiah6

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Hitch said:
All those exist today and always have, and you dont have a clue as to the reason for that judgement . But thats only because you take pains to ignore what Jesus actually said.
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If I did not have a clue I would not direct your attention to this: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; (Rom 1:18)

And here's what Jesus actually said: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)

And that is why we read this: And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever... And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.(Rev 15:1,7;16:1)

We are still living in the Age of Grace, during which the Gospel must be preached in all the world and to every creature. But that will come to an end shortly, and then the wrath of God will be revealed from Heaven.
 
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Absolutely said:
The wicked and the inlaws.... both left behind.
( as in the rapture)
(Not all believers are the bride as depicted in the virgins parable of mat 25)
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Sinner were all gone, Noah and family still here correct?
 
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The heptadic STUCTURE and pattern of the seals, trumpets and bowls (and the concomitant increase in severity of judgments) is an extremely well understood phenomenon. And the flow is unquestionably sequential in nature.

Your batting average is in the pits my friend. For pity's sake try and get a grip on what's going on here.
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A heptadic pattern doesn't equal to a chronological order. The structure is parallel, not sequential. You've just ignored 11:15 in the 7th trumpet because you can't explain it.

Again, why would God pour out 7 bowl judgements onto his own kingdom if it has already been established in the 7th trumpet?? You're the one who should get a grip.
 
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Absolutely said:
" before the flood"
The setting is pre judgement.

That is what it says.

You omit it

It is there.

Will never go away.

"Before the food"
Then
" one taken, one left"
Pretrib rapture.
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This is where the damn deception creeps in. Why is it the setting of Noah, and not the Ten Plagues where there were almost identical judgements poured onto the Egyptians, and there were Moses and Aaron as the Two Witnesses?

Even if the Flood is the setting, then why is Enoch the Church and not Noah's family - who got into the Ark with Noah? Jesus specifically told this in the ten virgins parable, five wise ones got in, five foolish ones desperately knocking on the door: "LORD, LET US INNNNNN!" That's weird, why did neither the wise ones or the foolish ones just sit there and wait to be "raptured" when it was announced that the bridegroom was coming?
 
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Sinner were all gone, Noah and family still here correct?
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During the flood, or tribulation, Noah was over a mile into the heavens.
Noah the RETURNED POSTRIB.

Vivid depiction of the pretrib rapture, church in the heaven during the trib, the postrib return for a new kingdom.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
If I did not have a clue I would not direct your attention to this: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; (Rom 1:18)

And here's what Jesus actually said: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)

And that is why we read this: And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever... And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.(Rev 15:1,7;16:1)

We are still living in the Age of Grace, during which the Gospel must be preached in all the world and to every creature. But that will come to an end shortly, and then the wrath of God will be revealed from Heaven.
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LOL You missed it again .
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
If I did not have a clue I would not direct your attention to this: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; (Rom 1:18)

And here's what Jesus actually said: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)

And that is why we read this: And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever... And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.(Rev 15:1,7;16:1)

We are still living in the Age of Grace, during which the Gospel must be preached in all the world and to every creature. But that will come to an end shortly, and then the wrath of God will be revealed from Heaven.
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Rom_1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Rom_10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Col 1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
Col 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
If I did not have a clue I would not direct your attention to this: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; (Rom 1:18)

And here's what Jesus actually said: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)

And that is why we read this: And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever... And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.(Rev 15:1,7;16:1)

We are still living in the Age of Grace, during which the Gospel must be preached in all the world and to every creature. But that will come to an end shortly, and then the wrath of God will be revealed from Heaven.
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come to an end shortly

Care to define what you mean by shortly?
 
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Absolutely said:
During the flood, or tribulation, Noah was over a mile into the heavens.
Noah the RETURNED POSTRIB.

Vivid depiction of the pretrib rapture, church in the heaven during the trib, the postrib return for a new kingdom.
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The Ark was a spaceship? Years and years of coloring Sunday School papers i should have known.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
If I did not have a clue I would not direct your attention to this: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; (Rom 1:18)

And here's what Jesus actually said: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)

And that is why we read this: And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever... And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.(Rev 15:1,7;16:1)

We are still living in the Age of Grace, during which the Gospel must be preached in all the world and to every creature. But that will come to an end shortly, and then the wrath of God will be revealed from Heaven.
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Do yourself a big favor and ignore the troll. He adds nothing of value. I already have.
 
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Do yourself a big favor and ignore the troll. He adds nothing of value. I already have.
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Looks like quite a few trolls have come out of the woodwork. And you are right. They should simply be ignored.
 
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Absolutely said:
" before the flood"
The setting is pre judgement.

That is what it says.

You omit it

It is there.

Will never go away.

"Before the food"
Then
" one taken, one left"
Pretrib rapture.
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Absolutely , rightly it should not go away. “Jesus further likened the timing of the separation of believers from unbelievers to the day when Lot exited the city of Sodom: . . . as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded: But the “SAME DAY" that Lot went out from Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. EVEN THUS SHALL IT BE IN THE DAY WHEN THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED ( Luke 17:28-30 ) According to the clarity of Christs statement, believers will be removed from the outpouring of God’s wrath on the “SAME DAY” that fiery destruction will fall upon an unregenerate humanity, even as righteous Lot was delivered on the same day in which the unbelievers of Sodom and Gomorrah were annihilated. The passage does not say that Lot was removed from Sodom seven years before the judgment comsumed the cities of the plain. It specifically that the separation was a simultaneous event transpiring on the “SAME DAY” As if the reinforce the reality of this truth, Jesus also compared His second coming to the judgement of the flood upon Noah’s generation.

And as it was in the days of Noe( Noah) , so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man. They did eat, they drank , they married wives, they were given in marriage, UNTIL THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK, AND THE FLOOD CAME, AND DESTROYED THEM ALL ( Luke 17:26,27 see also Matt. 24:37-41). Jesus indicates the timing of separation between believers and unbelievers. Noah was spared and the unbelieving remnant was destroyed. The destruction produced a great separation, so shall it be at the Second Coming of Christ. In both comparisons, Jesus stresses the timing of the separation. Both isolate the timing to the “same day”. As Wilmot noted:
The simultaneous action of God in deliverance and judgment our Lord drew attention to when He spoke of His coming and like incidents in Biblical history are not wanting. “ ( The selfsame day: Gen.7:11-13 ) that Noah entire the ark, the flood came and destroyed them all “ ; “the same day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed the all. “ Even thus shall it be when the Son of man is revealed” ( Luke 17 ) William R. Kimball , The Rapture a Question of Timing
 
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Carry_Your_Name said:
This is where the damn deception creeps in. Why is it the setting of Noah, and not the Ten Plagues where there were almost identical judgements poured onto the Egyptians, and there were Moses and Aaron as the Two Witnesses?

Even if the Flood is the setting, then why is Enoch the Church and not Noah's family - who got into the Ark with Noah? Jesus specifically told this in the ten virgins parable, five wise ones got in, five foolish ones desperately knocking on the door: "LORD, LET US INNNNNN!" That's weird, why did neither the wise ones or the foolish ones just sit there and wait to be "raptured" when it was announced that the bridegroom was coming?
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Uh, your Postrib Rapture model would need a Postrib GATHERING.
IOW, Noah gathered, or removed POST FLOOD..
 
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Beckie said:
The Ark was a spaceship? Years and years of coloring Sunday School papers i should have known.
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It says the waters covered the mountains.
That puts noah above or into the clouds.

You really have that much disdain for Gods word?
 
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Absolutely , rightly it should not go away. “Jesus further likened the timing of the separation of believers from unbelievers to the day when Lot exited the city of Sodom: . . . as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded: But the “SAME DAY" that Lot went out from Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. EVEN THUS SHALL IT BE IN THE DAY WHEN THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED ( Luke 17:28-30 ) According to the clarity of Christs statement, believers will be removed from the outpouring of God’s wrath on the “SAME DAY” that fiery destruction will fall upon an unregenerate humanity, even as righteous Lot was delivered on the same day in which the unbelievers of Sodom and Gomorrah were annihilated. The passage does not say that Lot was removed from Sodom seven years before the judgment comsumed the cities of the plain. It specifically that the separation was a simultaneous event transpiring on the “SAME DAY” As if the reinforce the reality of this truth, Jesus also compared His second coming to the judgement of the flood upon Noah’s generation.

And as it was in the days of Noe( Noah) , so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man. They did eat, they drank , they married wives, they were given in marriage, UNTIL THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK, AND THE FLOOD CAME, AND DESTROYED THEM ALL ( Luke 17:26,27 see also Matt. 24:37-41). Jesus indicates the timing of separation between believers and unbelievers. Noah was spared and the unbelieving remnant was destroyed. The destruction produced a great separation, so shall it be at the Second Coming of Christ. In both comparisons, Jesus stresses the timing of the separation. Both isolate the timing to the “same day”. As Wilmot noted:
The simultaneous action of God in deliverance and judgment our Lord drew attention to when He spoke of His coming and like incidents in Biblical history are not wanting. “ ( The selfsame day: Gen.7:11-13 ) that Noah entire the ark, the flood came and destroyed them all “ ; “the same day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed the all. “ Even thus shall it be when the Son of man is revealed” ( Luke 17 ) William R. Kimball , The Rapture a Question of Timing
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Amen
As you pointed out, lot was removed, then judgement.
He was not removed after judgement.
Postribbers believe erroneously that they are removed POSTJUDGEMENT.
Thanks for pointing that out
 
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