The Ukraine Thread

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Nehemiah6

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mailmandan said:
White House declares Russian invasion in Ukraine
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That should read "White House CAUSED Russian invasion of Ukraine". Had a real American president been in the White House, this would never have happened.

The real question is what were Ukraine and all the surrounding countries to the West of Russia doing since 2014 when Putin grabbed Crimea? Had they all joined together to create a defensive barrier from North to South, Putin would not have dared do what he has done. In unity is strength, and there were at least 10 nations which could have united with Ukraine over the last eight years to block Russian aggression.
 
2ndRateMind

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2ndRateMind said:
On the contrary, the Ukrainians have been fighting Russians since the invasion of Crimea in 2016. But they are hopelessly outgunned, and need to pick their fights judiciously.

Best wishes, 2RM.
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That should read 2014. eight years ago

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
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The European Union is sending one billion dollars in military aid. That is what you call escalation.
 
2ndRateMind

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Nehemiah6 said:
That should read "White House CAUSED Russian invasion of Ukraine". Had a real American president been in the White House, this would never have happened.

The real question is what were Ukraine and all the surrounding countries to the West of Russia doing since 2014 when Putin grabbed Crimea? Had they all joined together to create a defensive barrier from North to South, Putin would not have dared do what he has done. In unity is strength, and there were at least 10 nations which could have united with Ukraine over the last eight years to block Russian aggression.
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I can't see how this is the fault of anyone in the white house. Putin gave the orders; Putin is to blame, and no-one else.

Best wishes, 2RM
 
Nehemiah6

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2ndRateMind said:
I can't see how this is the fault of anyone in the white house. Putin gave the orders; Putin is to blame, and no-one else.
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Who gave Putin all the encouragement he needed, day after day? Who bought Russian oil worth billions and shut down oil production and oil flow in North America? Who showed Russia and China that there was a bumbling idiot in the White House, so now was the time to fulfil their evil ambitions? Who has been chipping away daily to ensure that the USA has no power or authority in geopolitics? Who made the American military weak and incapable?
 
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Oblio

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Tulsi Gabbard and I agree that if Putin had received assurances that the Ukraine would not become part of NATO, we wouldn't be in this mess.
 
2ndRateMind

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Nevertheless, Putin made the decision to invade the Ukraine and he must bear the responsibility for that. As for the rest, we read our politics differently.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
JTB

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Nehemiah6 said:
Who gave Putin all the encouragement he needed, day after day? Who bought Russian oil worth billions and shut down oil production and oil flow in North America? Who showed Russia and China that there was a bumbling idiot in the White House, so now was the time to fulfil their evil ambitions? Who has been chipping away daily to ensure that the USA has no power or authority in geopolitics? Who made the American military weak and incapable?
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satan
 
2ndRateMind

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Oblio said:
Tulsi Gabbard and I agree that if Putin had received assurances that the Ukraine would not become part of NATO, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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The Ukraine is a free, sovereign state. Or do you think their freedom so worthless that they should have their right to self-determination stitched up clandestinely by bigger, more powerful players? As if might makes right?

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
JTB

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Putin wouldn't have invaded while trump was president, they're buddies and buddies don't invade each other. Why do you think China abstained in condemning Russia? Because they and old Joe are buddies, and you don't go against your buddies.
 
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Oblio

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Que sera sera, whatever will be, will be.
It's the Satanic Globalist Cabal, of which Brandon and Brandeau are VIPs.
 
Magenta

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JTB said:
No. satan.
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Last night I watched a documentary on the Ukraine uprising of 2013/14, called Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight for Freedom. I would highly recommend it to anyone (it's on Netflix). It was excellent, infuriating, and heartbreaking all at the same time.
 
JTB

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Oblio said:
Que sera sera, whatever will be, will be.
It's the Satanic Globalist Cabal, of which Brandon and Brandeau are VIPs.
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No, they are pawns.
 
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2ndRateMind said:
The Ukraine is a free, sovereign state. Or do you think their freedom so worthless that they should have their right to self-determination stitched up clandestinely by bigger, more powerful players? As if might makes right?

Best wishes, 2RM.
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I'm just being a realist. The choice was to not admit the Ukraine to NATO, or start a war with Russia.
 
JTB

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Oblio said:
Que sera sera, whatever will be, will be.
It's the Satanic Globalist Cabal, of which Brandon and Brandeau are VIPs.
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Brandeau. Never heard that before, but I like it :cool:
 
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