Anybody believe that Daniel's 70TH week has been fulfilled by Jesus - and then Stephen?

[cv5]

Dear Carry Your Name,
Very little of what you stated is taught in scripture.

As for the Babylonian world system, it is merely the physical evidence of the spiritual problem within mankind. Christ's work is to make the "inside of our cup clean" so that the outside will be clean as well. Mankind's problem is spiritual (means that it happens between our ears so to speak). The Law only works to make us clean from the outside-in and that will never fix our sin problem. Christ will make us clean from the inside-out. Only Christ can do this spiritual work and He teaches about how He will do that work in His end-time prophecies (pathway to salvation).

I wish I could help you "see" what I have been presenting you but the knowledge of the truth is only given by Christ. It is 100% His spiritual work. All I can do is present His truth as He has shown me, which I am always happy to do.

If you have specific questions, please let me know.

Joe

So...how does your view dovetail with many extremely precise Biblical prophecies having to do with time and place ON THE EARTH.

 

[RichMan]

It really frustrating that the dispensationalist view is almost universally adopted by every pastor in every church - when it comes to Daniel's 70 weeks and other prophecies in Daniel. Although there's a consensus that those 70 weeks are 490 years, and Jesus was the "Messiah the Prince" who appeared after the first 69 weeks, somehow the Antichrist is shoehorned in to fulfill the final week, and that is where the idea of 7 year tribulation comes from, despite the numerous other verses in Daniel and Revelation which indicate that it will only last for three and a half years. If anyone reads this passage of 9:24-27 FOR THE FIRST TIME without any presumption or such influence, is it crazy to have a natural impression, that these are 70 CONTINUOUS weeks, and all "he" is referring to the same Messiah?

Actually, that had always been the historic view of this prophecy that Jesus had fulfilled all 70 weeks until the popularization of dispensationalism in late 1800s!

Now allow me to elaborate a bit. I'm not a KJV only person, KJV is not perfect, but for this specific prophecy, you must use KJV 'cuz this part is subtlely corrupted in modern versions. In KJV, Daniel 9:27 reads:

"And he shall CONFIRM the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and FOR the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

First of all, in 9:25, notice that the first 7 and 62 weeks are deliberately separated, this implies that these are not only 70 x 7 years, but also 10 x 49 jubilee cycles. Jews returned to their homeland and rebuild Jerusalem, that perfectly fulfilled the description of jubilee in Lev. 25. Therefore the 70th week is a part of last jubilee cycle, it shouldn't be separated from the 64th-69th weeks.

I'm not gonna dive in to the nitty gritties of the six goals in 9:24, you can read the links below for that. Here I just wanna point out two words in 9:27 - CONFIRM and FOR. Although Jesus did make a new covenant, He FULFILLED the old covenant of salvation by offering Himself as the ultimate sacrifice, that's why He legally caused "sacrifice and the oblation to cease". See Heb. 9b and 10a for a better understanding.

https://christianitybeliefs.org/end...ed-daniel-924-during-the-70th-week-of-daniel/
https://age2come.com/why-daniels-70-weeks-are-fulfilled/
https://www.mikeblume.com/nogap.htm

Then notice the wording in the next sentence: FOR the overspreading of abominations. This indicates that He didn't cause any abomination, the abomination is ALREADY in there, and FOR that He shall make it desolate as a punishment. This was fulfilled when He cleansed the temple and declared that "Your house shall be left DESOLATE." The sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD was the final "consummation" of that judgement.

On top of all these, this interpretation will reveal to you some crucial information:

- Jesus's ministry lasted exactly 3.5 years;
- Since He was crucified on Passover, dial back 3.5 years is the Feast of Tabernacle, that's when He was really born;
- Dial back 9 months further, you get Hanukkah, that's when He was conceived;
- The Great Tribulation only lasts 3.5 years as Antichrist's "ministry", which is the antithesis of Jesus's

Now what about the second half of the 70th week? Although there's no solid proof in the Scripture, it is reasonable to assume that the stoning of Stephen marked the end. That was a turning point. They were given 3.5 years to repent, and many did at the Pentecost (Acts 2:37-38), but apparently the Pharisees didn't. When Stephen was stoned, that sealed their fate, from there on the gospel was shifted to the Gentiles.

And by the way, just to be clear, I'm no preterist or idealist. There will an Antichrist, which was described in bloody details in 11:36-45 and the entire chapter 12, that's what "abomination of desolation" is really referring to in the Olivet Discourse.

You are rocking the leaky boat that the majority are clinging to and they will come after you.
Hope you can handle the sometimes harsh replies.

 

[FaithWillDo]

So...how does your view dovetail with many extremely precise Biblical prophecies having to do with time and place ON THE EARTH.

Dear cv5,
I'm not sure what verses you are referring to. Please show me a couple of examples.
Joe

 

[Beckie]

The old ugly story that the Body of Christ was only formed because God did not know the Jewish leaders would reject His Son's Kingdom ship Yet we have many OT references to His Cross, His Blood. Blood was shed for the 'first sin' the coverings for Adam and Eve.. "Moses' serpent on the poll... As if God does not know His creation.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

A of D is undoubtedly connected with the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. Yes...the mark is PROBABLY some kind of transhumanism IMO. But the demand for all to take the "mark" follows the A of D act of ultimate rebellion (in the Jerusalem Temple) per se committed by the beast.

Your focus is on the wrong thing. The Beast will (re)make everyone in his image first and foremost, whoever is (re)made in his image will help enforce it willingly like the mask police, that’s how the image can kill anybody who disobeys. The mark is merely a final certificate of that. If you wanna learn what the Bible really says about the Mark, read Deut 6:8 and 1 Kings 10:14, those are two clues.

 

[SomeDisciple]

"And he shall CONFIRM the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and FOR the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

How did Jesus cause sacrifice and oblation to cease in the midst of the 70th week?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Dear Carry Your Name,
Very little of what you stated is taught in scripture.

As for the Babylonian world system, it is merely the physical evidence of the spiritual problem within mankind. Christ's work is to make the "inside of our cup clean" so that the outside will be clean as well. Mankind's problem is spiritual (means that it happens between our ears so to speak). The Law only works to make us clean from the outside-in and that will never fix our sin problem. Christ will make us clean from the inside-out. Only Christ can do this spiritual work and He teaches about how He will do that work in His end-time prophecies (pathway to salvation).

I wish I could help you "see" what I have been presenting you but the knowledge of the truth is only given by Christ. It is 100% His spiritual work. All I can do is present His truth as He has shown me, which I am always happy to do.

If you have specific questions, please let me know.

Joe

I appreciate your insight, but that’s really not what biblical prophecies are all about. Those prophecies allow you to see the major world events and the mindset of the enemy from a spiritual aspect, it’s not a therapy for our own problems, either lack of spiritual growth or being spiritually blind.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The old ugly story that the Body of Christ was only formed because God did not know the Jewish leaders would reject His Son's Kingdom ship

This is that fable that goes around the internet ( ), but is not based at all in Truth.

"Dispensationalism" does NOT say this.

Rumors on the worldwide web by poorly taught goobers repeating this fluff, does not make this statement (in your quote at top) true (that this is the "Dispensatinoalist" viewpoint--it isn't).




1) one should study the distinction between the biblical phrases: "FROM [apo] the foundation of the world" and "BEFORE [pro] the foundation of the world"--they are BOTH [/EACH] *biblical* phrases, but speak of (and cover the Subject of) DISTINCT things

(this, for one, debunks the fluffy rumor going around the internet [about "dispensationalists" supposed idea] that God was IGNORANT of certain things and ONLY "came up with PLAN B" [ ] because He was thrown for a loop when Israel rejected Christ... NO. [NOT AT ALL what "Dispensationalism" teaches, but people keep repeating this falsehood, that it DOES]);



2) according to 1Cor2:8, there were some things that it was necessary to be kept secret [/hidden / undisclosed] BEFORE the Cross, for reasons spoken of in this verse - https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/2-8.htm

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

How did Jesus cause sacrifice and oblation to cease in the midst of the 70th week?

Animal sacrifice only temporarily covered sin. The blood of Jesus put an end to sin and set man free from sin. “Behold, the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world!” All the ceremonies were “holy convocations”, which means a kind a dress rehearsal that ultimately led to Jesus. This is all explained in Hebrews 10.

 

[FaithWillDo]

I appreciate your insight, but that’s really not what biblical prophecies are all about. Those prophecies allow you to see the major world events and the mindset of the enemy from a spiritual aspect, it’s not a therapy for our own problems, either lack of spiritual growth or being spiritually blind.

Dear Carry Your Name,
There are simply no scriptures that state that end-time prophecies are "major world events". That understanding comes from an "outward" understanding of scripture. When a person understands scripture in that manner, it creates many contradictions with other scriptures. I pointed out a few of those contradicting verses in Revelation and they make it impossible for these events to physical and still in the future.

Scripture is teaching on how Christ saves mankind and His spiritual work to do so. When Christ teaches us about His spiritual works, He frequently uses physical symbols...BUT they represent spiritual truths which happen within mankind.

Here is a very simple example of Christ's spiritual language:

Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Does Christ really mean that if you use a sword to kill others, then you must likewise be killed with a sword? Literally, that is what He is saying. So if we are to understand it literally, then that statement can easily be proven to be false. There are countless examples of people who have used violence to kill others but then do not die from that same type of violence - it almost goes without saying. So is Christ mistaken or is His message something else?

Since His “words are spirit”, His message must be spiritually understood. Christ’s spiritual message is quite different from what He is literally saying.

In Matt 26:52, Christ is using a spiritual “symbol” to give us His spiritual message. Here Christ uses the symbol of a Sword. To understand what that symbol means, we must look at how it is used elsewhere in scripture – we must compare spiritual with spiritual.

Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

From this example, it is easy to understand that a Sword represents the Word of God. So Christ’s hidden spiritual point He is making in Matt 26:52 is that all who live (those being “born again”) by the Word of God, must perish (death of the carnal nature) by the Word of God.

Water baptism is another symbol which sends the same spiritual message as Matt 26:52. When an individual is baptized in water, the immersion represents the death of their carnal nature (Old Man). The ascension out of the water represents their new birth in Christ in the Kingdom of Heaven. This great work of conversion (salvation) is accomplished by the Word of God (Sword/Christ).

Spiritual understanding of scripture is further explained and expanded by 1Cor 2:13, Isa 28: 10-12 and Psa 119:160.

1Cor 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Isa 28: 10-12 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

When a Called Out believer cannot understand the Word of God, their lack of understanding will cause them to “fall backward and be broken”. So what does to “fall backward and be broken” actually mean? This is the same as to “fall away” (Heb 6:4-6) and it means to return to one’s own attempt to be acceptable to God through their own works. This is the sin that leads to death (1John 5:16).

God’s Truth is also presented to us in bits and pieces, which means we must put those pieces together to see the truth:

Psa 119:160 The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever.

Again, to correctly understand scripture, it must be understood spiritually. For this type of understanding to occur, we must first understand that the words used in scripture do not carry the same meaning as taught by man’s wisdom (1Cor 2:13). Christ’s words are spirit and we are told to understand their spiritual meaning by comparing them with the same spiritual words used elsewhere in scripture. We must compare spiritual with spiritual. We are to also keep in mind that “the sum of God’s Word is truth.

Have you ever wondered why there are so many different denominational churches in the world? The answer lies in the truth I have presented above. The churches have become places where the "blind lead the blind", each with their own version of the truth. But yet, none of them understand the truth.

You may be asking yourself why God made His Word so difficult to understand. I can assure you that He did not do it by mistake. God is purposely concealing Himself from this world so that He can reveal Himself to each individual at a time of His choosing.

Matt 13:10-11 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you (the Elect) to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them (those not Chosen) it is not given.

In scripture, the knowledge of God (which is fully found in Christ) is symbolized by Treasure.

Prov 2:1-5 My son, if you receive my words and treasure up my commandments with you, making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures, then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God.

Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

For most people, God has not chosen to reveal Himself to them at this time. So for them, He remains “hidden” Treasure. However, that does not mean that He will forget them and forever remain hidden from their eyes. Scripture promises us that will not be the case.

1Tim 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

1Cor 15: 22-23 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

During this present age, Christ is gathering in the First-fruits of His Harvest. These First-fruits are also called the Chosen, the Elect, the Heirs, the Overcomers, the Bride or the Saints. The remaining harvest of mankind will come later in the final age which God established from the beginning of creation. Contrary to popular belief, Christ is NOT working to save all mankind during this present age. He is only appearing (revealing Himself) to those who have been chosen from the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8 & Eph 1:11). We are totally dependent upon Christ for our salvation, even the timing of it. We cannot “choose” ourselves to be one of His “chosen”. Christ alone is the One who calls us, chooses us and empowers us to remain faithful unto the end. It is all His work. To claim otherwise, only proves that we have “fallen away” and are attempting to be acceptable to Christ through our own “works”.

For those who have presently been given “eyes that can see” and “ears that can hear”, Christ is appearing to them and revealing Himself. They are finding great treasure!

The book of Revelation depicts this great treasure of God. This book is the great unveiling of Jesus Christ within an individual - it is salvation. But to keep Christ concealed from those not chosen to receive its message, the book was “signified” to the apostle John. In other words, the Truth was presented in spiritual symbols. It is in no way literal. It is not a book about end-time prophecy or future coming world events. There is no literal Lake of Fire or coming Antichrist who rules the world. And for that matter, there is not even a literal throne room in heaven or a heaven with streets of gold. These are all physical symbols which represent spiritual truths.

Joe

 

[SomeDisciple]

Animal sacrifice only temporarily covered sin. The blood of Jesus put an end to sin and set man free from sin. “Behold, the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world!” All the ceremonies were “holy convocations”, which means a kind a dress rehearsal that ultimately led to Jesus. This is all explained in Hebrews 10.

Okay, so you say that Jesus was crucified in the middle of the 70th week- and that stopped the "legitimate" sacrifice and oblation. I see. And even though the destruction of Jerusalem is mentioned, it's not meant to be included in the 70th week, then, right?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The book of Revelation depicts this great treasure of God. This book is the great unveiling of Jesus Christ within an individual - it is salvation. But to keep Christ concealed from those not chosen to receive its message, the book was “signified” to the apostle John. In other words, the Truth was presented in spiritual symbols. It is in no way literal. It is not a book about end-time prophecy or future coming world events. There is no literal Lake of Fire or coming Antichrist who rules the world. And for that matter, there is not even a literal throne room in heaven or a heaven with streets of gold. These are all physical symbols which represent spiritual truths.

First of all, this thread is mainly about Daniel's 70 weeks, I have no intention to focus on Revelation in here, save it for another time on another day; second, you're focusing inward by turning a blind eye on the wickedness around us, you're ignoring the reality and the gravity of the rising Antichrist. I understand perfectly that Revelation is full of symbols, I never take any of them literally. Nobody is looking for a literal, physical beast with seven heads and ten horns rising out of the Mediterranean Sea.But the difference between you and I is, I let the bible interpret the bible itself instead of wishful thinking. When it is explicitly, unequivocally explained in Daniel that these Beasts are kingdoms and horns are kings, then that's what they are in Revelation; if you can see that many of these OT heros, Joseph, Moses, David, Daniel are "prototypes" of Christ as they all manifested some characteristics of THE Christ, then you should also see that many OT villains, Nimrod, pharoah, Saul, king Nebuchadnezzar, they are "prototypes" of Antichrist. Everything you're preaching is nothing but sugar coated New Age meditation.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Okay, so you say that Jesus was crucified in the middle of the 70th week- and that stopped the "legitimate" sacrifice and oblation. I see. And even though the destruction of Jerusalem is mentioned, it's not meant to be included in the 70th week, then, right?

Yeah, read it carefully. It only announces that their fate is SEALED. It says that it is "determined" - UNTIL the consummation. The fulfillment thereof is not necessarily covered in the 70 weeks, that is for another time, which was 70AD.

 

[FaithWillDo]

First of all, this thread is mainly about Daniel's 70 weeks, I have no intention to focus on Revelation in here, save it for another time on another day; second, you're focusing inward by turning a blind eye on the wickedness around us, you're ignoring the reality and the gravity of the rising Antichrist. I understand perfectly that Revelation is full of symbols, I never take any of them literally. Nobody is looking for a literal, physical beast with seven heads and ten horns rising out of the Mediterranean Sea.But the difference between you and I is, I let the bible interpret the bible itself instead of wishful thinking. When it is explicitly, unequivocally explained in Daniel that these Beasts are kingdoms and horns are kings, then that's what they are in Revelation; if you can see that many of these OT heros, Joseph, Moses, David, Daniel are "prototypes" of Christ as they all manifested some characteristics of THE Christ, then you should also see that many OT villains, Nimrod, pharoah, Saul, king Nebuchadnezzar, they are "prototypes" of Antichrist. Everything you're preaching is nothing but sugar coated New Age meditation.

Dear Carry Your Name,
The symbols are to be understood by comparing spiritual with spiritual as Paul said to do. The book of Revelation is like the grand central station of spiritual symbols. If you look outside of scripture for their meaning, you will come away with an incorrect understanding. I showed you how it should be done by using the example of a "sword". All the symbols are to be understood by the same process.

I will "unwatch" this thread since you have no interest in what I am presenting.

Rev 13:16-17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Joe

 

[Beckie]

This is that fable that goes around the internet ( ), but is not based at all in Truth.

"Dispensationalism" does NOT say this.

Rumors on the worldwide web by poorly taught goobers repeating this fluff, does not make this statement (in your quote at top) true (that this is the "Dispensatinoalist" viewpoint--it isn't).




1) one should study the distinction between the biblical phrases: "FROM [apo] the foundation of the world" and "BEFORE [pro] the foundation of the world"--they are BOTH [/EACH] *biblical* phrases, but speak of (and cover the Subject of) DISTINCT things

(this, for one, debunks the fluffy rumor going around the internet [about "dispensationalists" supposed idea] that God was IGNORANT of certain things and ONLY "came up with PLAN B" [ ] because He was thrown for a loop when Israel rejected Christ... NO. [NOT AT ALL what "Dispensationalism" teaches, but people keep repeating this falsehood, that it DOES]);



2) according to 1Cor2:8, there were some things that it was necessary to be kept secret [/hidden / undisclosed] BEFORE the Cross, for reasons spoken of in this verse - https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/2-8.htm

This is that fable that goes around the internet ( ), but is not based at all in Truth.

"Dispensationalism" does NOT say this.

Rumors on the worldwide web by poorly taught goobers repeating this fluff, does not make this statement (in your quote at top) true (that this is the "Dispensatinoalist" viewpoint--it isn't).




1) one should study the distinction between the biblical phrases: "FROM [apo] the foundation of the world" and "BEFORE [pro] the foundation of the world"--they are BOTH [/EACH] *biblical* phrases, but speak of (and cover the Subject of) DISTINCT things

(this, for one, debunks the fluffy rumor going around the internet [about "dispensationalists" supposed idea] that God was IGNORANT of certain things and ONLY "came up with PLAN B" [ ] because He was thrown for a loop when Israel rejected Christ... NO. [NOT AT ALL what "Dispensationalism" teaches, but people keep repeating this falsehood, that it DOES]);



2) according to 1Cor2:8, there were some things that it was necessary to be kept secret [/hidden / undisclosed] BEFORE the Cross, for reasons spoken of in this verse - https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/2-8.htm

kingdom of God
Note that Matthew here as in Mat_21:31 uses the larger word, kingdom of God: (Cf) (See Scofield on Mat_6:33).

Scofields note
The kingdom of heaven; (See Scofield on Mat_3:2; 1Co_15:24) will yet be set up. Meantime the kingdom of God and his righteousness is taken from Israel nationally and given to the Gentiles. Rom_9:30-33.


6) Consequent upon the rejection of the kingdom, and the revelation of the mystery hid in God Mat_16:18; Eph_3:1-12 the Church, the apostolic office was invested with a new enduement, the baptism with the Holy Spirit Act_2:1-4 a new power, that of imparting the Spirit to Jewish-Christian believers; a new relation, that of foundation stones of the new temple Eph_2:20-22 and a new function, that of preaching the glad tidings of salvation through a crucified and risen Lord to Jew and gentile alike.

 

[BroTan]

It really frustrating that the dispensationalist view is almost universally adopted by every pastor in every church - when it comes to Daniel's 70 weeks and other prophecies in Daniel. Although there's a consensus that those 70 weeks are 490 years, and Jesus was the "Messiah the Prince" who appeared after the first 69 weeks, somehow the Antichrist is shoehorned in to fulfill the final week, and that is where the idea of 7 year tribulation comes from, despite the numerous other verses in Daniel and Revelation which indicate that it will only last for three and a half years. If anyone reads this passage of 9:24-27 FOR THE FIRST TIME without any presumption or such influence, is it crazy to have a natural impression, that these are 70 CONTINUOUS weeks, and all "he" is referring to the same Messiah?

Actually, that had always been the historic view of this prophecy that Jesus had fulfilled all 70 weeks until the popularization of dispensationalism in late 1800s!

Now allow me to elaborate a bit. I'm not a KJV only person, KJV is not perfect, but for this specific prophecy, you must use KJV 'cuz this part is subtlely corrupted in modern versions. In KJV, Daniel 9:27 reads:

"And he shall CONFIRM the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and FOR the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

First of all, in 9:25, notice that the first 7 and 62 weeks are deliberately separated, this implies that these are not only 70 x 7 years, but also 10 x 49 jubilee cycles. Jews returned to their homeland and rebuild Jerusalem, that perfectly fulfilled the description of jubilee in Lev. 25. Therefore the 70th week is a part of last jubilee cycle, it shouldn't be separated from the 64th-69th weeks.

I'm not gonna dive in to the nitty gritties of the six goals in 9:24, you can read the links below for that. Here I just wanna point out two words in 9:27 - CONFIRM and FOR. Although Jesus did make a new covenant, He FULFILLED the old covenant of salvation by offering Himself as the ultimate sacrifice, that's why He legally caused "sacrifice and the oblation to cease". See Heb. 9b and 10a for a better understanding.

https://christianitybeliefs.org/end...ed-daniel-924-during-the-70th-week-of-daniel/
https://age2come.com/why-daniels-70-weeks-are-fulfilled/
https://www.mikeblume.com/nogap.htm

Then notice the wording in the next sentence: FOR the overspreading of abominations. This indicates that He didn't cause any abomination, the abomination is ALREADY in there, and FOR that He shall make it desolate as a punishment. This was fulfilled when He cleansed the temple and declared that "Your house shall be left DESOLATE." The sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD was the final "consummation" of that judgement.

On top of all these, this interpretation will reveal to you some crucial information:

- Jesus's ministry lasted exactly 3.5 years;
- Since He was crucified on Passover, dial back 3.5 years is the Feast of Tabernacle, that's when He was really born;
- Dial back 9 months further, you get Hanukkah, that's when He was conceived;
- The Great Tribulation only lasts 3.5 years as Antichrist's "ministry", which is the antithesis of Jesus's

Now what about the second half of the 70th week? Although there's no solid proof in the Scripture, it is reasonable to assume that the stoning of Stephen marked the end. That was a turning point. They were given 3.5 years to repent, and many did at the Pentecost (Acts 2:37-38), but apparently the Pharisees didn't. When Stephen was stoned, that sealed their fate, from there on the gospel was shifted to the Gentiles.

And by the way, just to be clear, I'm no preterist or idealist. There will an Antichrist, which was described in bloody details in 11:36-45 and the entire chapter 12, that's what "abomination of desolation" is really referring to in the Olivet Discourse.

Let's us go back to the 9th chapter of Daniel. When you read this chapter, you will find in the second verse that the prophet Daniel was reading the books of the prophet Jeremiah. Daniel understood through Jeremiah's writing that the lord would accomplish seventy years in the desolation of Jerusalem. Daniel knew that Jerusalem was going to be laid to waste for more that seventy years. So he prayed to the Lord for understanding. While he was praying, the Lord sent the angel, Gabriel, to explain to Daniel what he

wanted to know as well as many other things, including: the first coming of Jesus, the time of his ministry, his death for the sins of the people, and the destruction of Jerusalem and its people by the Roman general, Titus, in 70 A.D. Except for the 3 1/2 years that Jesus must teach, the prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D. Now, let us break this down verse by verse, starting at the 24th Verse, and let the Bible interpret this prophecy.

Daniel 9:24-27.(Verse 24) "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon the holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." (Verse 25) "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times: (Verse 26). "And after threescore and two weeks shall the Messiah be cut off, but for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined." (Verse 27) "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Now in verse 24, Gabriel informed Daniel that seventy weeks are determined upon his people. That put the time far beyond seventy literal years. To be more accurate, he talking about seventy times seventy years, which is equal to 490 years (7x70 = 490 years). Within this period of time, the temple had to be rebuilt, Jesus had to be anointed (Anoint the most Holy), then he had to die for the sin of the people (make reconciliation for iniquity) and seal the vision and the prophesy. What vision you ask? The one concerning the people and the city of Jerusalem.

Daniel 9:25 tells us that from the time that the commandments is given to restore and rebuild Jerusalem unto the Messiah the prince (to the anointing of Jesus), shall be seven weeks, threescore and two weeks (69 weeks = 483 years). The restoration of the temple and the city of Jerusalem started in the days of Ezra and Nehemiah. It took them forty and six years to build the Temple. (St. John 2:20) "Then said the Jews, forty and six years was this building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" Take into consideration that the city had to be restored also, to which we can attribute the other three years, which make up a full week of years (7x7 = 49 years). In verse 26, this week of years was not counted, because it said, "After threescore and two weeks the Messiah was cut, (62 weeks = 434 years). Add the seven weeks back on to this 62 weeks (434 + 49 = 483 years), and will get the amount of time that had to pass between the commandments to restore Jerusalem to the anointing of Jesus (Messiah means the anointed one).

Now that we understand that it took 69 weeks to bring us to the Messiah, there is only one week left. Now this is where the error is made by most theologians and Bible scholars: They all say there is one week left (1x7 = 7 years), and this is the week that the false prophet is going to make a covenant with the Jews and, in the middle of the week, break the covenant, and stop them from sacrificing animals.

Please answer these three questions: (1) At what point did these scriptures stop talking about the Jews, Jerusalem, and Jesus? (2) In what area or verse did the scriptures start talking about the beast, or the false prophet? (3) What did Jesus do when he was anointed? Did he die the very same day? NO, Jesus did not die the very same day. He had to teach for three and a half years and then be cut off (killed) so that this very prophecy would be fulfilled.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Please answer these three questions: (1) At what point did these scriptures stop talking about the Jews, Jerusalem, and Jesus? (2) In what area or verse did the scriptures start talking about the beast, or the false prophet? (3) What did Jesus do when he was anointed? Did he die the very same day? NO, Jesus did not die the very same day. He had to teach for three and a half years and then be cut off (killed) so that this very prophecy would be fulfilled.

(1) At the end of the 70 weeks. After the crucifixion, you can see it in Acts that the gospel was still mostly preached among Jews in the region; but when Stephen was stoned, that marked the total rejection of the gospel by Jews, therefore shortly after that Paul had the Damascus conversion, and he brought the gospel to the Gentiles, aka "nations, goyim", hence the "time of Gentiles", the church age.

(2) All those OT villains, Nimrod, pharoah, Saul, king Nebuchadnezzar are "prototypes" of Antichrist. King Solomon set a pattern of Antichrist as his heart turned away from God to his abundant wealth and affluent. Judas Iscariot was possessed by Satan in person. All I can tell is that these have all painted a portrait of what the final Antichrist will be like. They all point to the final Antichrist, who will be worshiped by the whole world as though he's the real deal.

(3) Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit at His baptism. At Pentecost, the church was anointed by the Holy Spirit. That's where the Body of Christ as the TEMPLE was anointed,

 

[GaryA]

Sorry but the Great Tribulation was not triggered in the 1st century, and that ties in with the Abomination of Desolation, which will be triggered by "the prince that shall come" (the Little Horn who is also the Antichrist). So this is a future event.

Actually, it was...

The AoD occurred in 167 B.C.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Actually, it was...

The AoD occurred in 167 B.C.

It could be multiple historic - and future - events of the same nature, not necessarily limited to one. That's why this term is used at least four times in Daniel in different sections of prophecies.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

6) Consequent upon the rejection of the kingdom, and the revelation of the mystery hid in God Mat_16:18; Eph_3:1-12 the Church

Note that even this writer ^ (tho I may disagree with certain of his points) is saying the REVELATION of the MYSTERY HID IN GOD (that HE / GOD ALREADY KNEW ABOUT (not to mention PLANNED *BEFORE [PRO]* the foundation of the world! [note: distinct from the texts saying "FROM [apo] the foundation of the world"]) but HAD NOT YET DISCLOSED [in OT times before the CROSS] for reasons stated in 1 Corinthians 2:8 as I had pointed out... is NOT the same thing as saying "God had to COME UP with a PLAN B [i.e "the Church"]" because He was thrown for a loop when Israel rejected Christ... HOGWASH[!] and not at all what even THIS writer ^ (flawed as he may be elsewhere) is saying here.

Please note this.

Do not keep repeating the "fluffy rumors" that have no basis in reality (as far as what "Dispensationalists" teach / are saying)