NASA will never show you the spinning globe, but you can see the Earth is FLAT for yourself with infrared camera technology.

[JStates]

Seeing is believing, so maybe I should lead with this particular topic more often when I talk about Flat Earth. All NASA would have to do to prove the Earth is a spinning globe is put a 24/7 camera on the Moon and livestream footage of the Earth. Or even broadcast 24/7 footage from a satellite or the ISS. THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE. Why not?

But I can show you that the Earth is flat, and you can see it for yourself. The owner of this YouTube channel didn't start off as a Flat Earther (no one does) but he put his frequent long distance flying and his interest in infrared photography together and began taking long distance footage of the Earth whenever he took a plane trip. The results are staggering.

Infrared camera technology strips away clouds, dust, smog, and atmospheric interference and proves that the Earth is flat but simply obscured by our atmosphere. JTolanMedia1 has captured astounding footage extending hundreds and hundreds of miles. The Earth is undeniably flat. See for yourself. I would recommend watching his channel in REVERSE order since he started off as someone on the fence about Flat Earth and then changed his perspective due to his camera work.

I dedicate this thread to my cantankerous friend and brother, @Gideon300. I think old dogs CAN learn new tricks, so I'm not giving up on you, sir!

 

[TheIndianGirl]

The earth is not flat, otherwise someone would have walked/sailed/etc. to the end of the earth. It is possible to walk/sail around the world and reach the same location.

 

[JStates]

The earth is not flat, otherwise someone would have walked/sailed/etc. to the end of the earth. It is possible to walk/sail around the world and reach the same location.

It's possible to circumnavigate a flat Earth in an east to west or west to east direction. Look at the following AE map by Bible believing Christian and flat earther Alex Gleason. The center is the north pole and your compass points to it. East and west travel are circles around the center.

Actually a great many things that work on the supposed ball Earth also work perfectly fine on a flat Earth.

 

[JStates]

The earth is not flat, otherwise someone would have walked/sailed/etc. to the end of the earth. It is possible to walk/sail around the world and reach the same location.

You are probably thinking of a ridiculous cracker Earth floating in the heliocentric model. Most people see those pictures and immediately reject flat earth... even though no serious flat earther believes in that view. You've got to throw out the heliocentric model entirely.

The Earth is the basement of the universe. As the Bible says, it is fixed and does not move. The sun, moon, and stars, as the Bible also says, move in circuits above the Earth.

The Bible DOES say there are ends of the Earth, but as you can see on the AE map, the ends of the Earth are beyond the Antarctic ice ring and we really don't know how far that ice plateau extends. No one can accidentally find the ends of the Earth. It would take serious effort by a government, but governments are bent on keeping people out of Antarctica, not letting them in.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Are we speaking of the same Earth? I am thinking of the planet Earth.

 

[JStates]

Are we speaking of the same Earth? I am thinking of the planet Earth.

The planet Earth is a fiction that we are all conditioned to believe. You see a globe in the classroom, in many news broadcasts on TV, and even at the beginning of most American movies (Universal Studios, etc. etc.). The word "global" has replaced the word "worldwide" in common usage and it's very over-used.

I believed in the globe Earth like everyone else for 34 years. I believed that we were spinning at 1,000 mph at the equator, that the Earth shoots around the Sun at 66,600 mph, that the whole solar system is hurtling upwards at ~1.9 million mph.

Then I looked into it for myself.

Selenelion: When the Sun AND the Moon are both visible during a lunar eclipse. What is casting the "shadow" (if it is a shadow) on the Moon then?

Why is the path of occlusion during a solar eclipse so small? The Sun cannot cast the Moon's shadow on the Earth to be smaller than the Moon actually is.

Why are some people who get motion sickness easily not sick ALL THE TIME if we are constantly moving?

Then we could talk about NASA's lies and fabrications, and their ties to Freemasonry and secret societies.

 

[kinda]

There are already about 5 flat earth threads. Why can't one of those just continue on?

I have stopped trying to continue my thread on concave hollow earth, because no one really cares, I'm figuring the majority think the same of flat earth. Flat Earth is complete non-sense and my reasons would be found in the many other threads, which have been discussed thoroughly.

That's all I have to say about the subject, please continue on to the regularly schedule flat earth mini-series.

Time to go back into my cave for the night.

 

[Dino246]

It amazes me that people will go to great lengths to defend flat earth and decry a globe earth, but absolutely refuse to deal with a simple question.

To wit, if the Earth is flat (and the "North pole" is at the centre of the 'disc'), how can the sun cast a Northward shadow from a point located South of the Tropic of Capricorn? It does so every (clear) morning and evening from November through February.

In three years since I first posed the question, I have only seen one FE proponent attempt to answer it, and his answer was so hopelessly flawed that he was rebuked by another FE proponent.

Come on people, step up.

 

[Oblio]

As a child, I often flew with my father in his airplane. I always noticed a slight curve to the horizon. I believe the earth is round, and I have no problem allowing another to think otherwise. Besides, I don't think it's something worth fighting about. Romans 14

 

[JStates]

It amazes me that people will go to great lengths to defend flat earth and decry a globe earth, but absolutely refuse to deal with a simple question.

To wit, if the Earth is flat (and the "North pole" is at the centre of the 'disc'), how can the sun cast a Northward shadow from a point located South of the Tropic of Capricorn? It does so every (clear) morning and evening from November through February.

In three years since I first posed the question, I have only seen one FE proponent attempt to answer it, and his answer was so hopelessly flawed that he was rebuked by another FE proponent.

Come on people, step up.

Unfortunately because most flat earthers do their own research, and there is no unified flat earth textbook, many flat earthers are simply unaware of the work of others.

Areas of daylight and darkness have been adequately explained on a flat earth if we live under a semi reflective domelike structure. The coffee cup caustic approaches the models that I've seen some flat earthers put out. This is a single light source projected into a reflective coffee cup. Notice that the light wraps around the periphery in a wing-like shape. Now, the exact pattern of the light/darkness areas will differ based on the season. The Sun moves inwards and outwards between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn, so sometimes there isn't a wraparound effect when the Sun is closer to the center.

November through February, which is when the Sun is more southward and closer to the "dome periphery" is exactly when I would expect you to be getting this light backsplash shadow effect you describe.

See my next post for something else of interest.

 

[JStates]

In about five minutes I put together the following. Took these pictures myself just a bit ago. I will explain what you are seeing.

On the left, I drew two large black arrows on a note card. In the middle, you can see the arrows through a drinking glass. On the right... water has been put in the drinking glass to a level between the two arrows. What do we see? The bottom arrow... IS NOW FACING THE OTHER WAY!



My version of this is pretty poor but it gets the idea across. Water - a fluid medium - can bend light in some strange ways. You cannot always trust your eyes, especially where water meets air or some other light-permeable medium of different density, hardness, or refractive index.

Know what else is a fluid medium with areas of differing density, humidity levels, refractive index, etc.? THE ATMOSPHERE.

Even consensus scientism tells you you cannot trust your eyes, not really. They will tell you that if you are seeing a city at a distance which is too far on a globe, then it's a mirage or refraction. They will tell you that a selenelion is caused by refraction also, that you are not REALLY seeing the Sun and Moon above the horizon at the same time.

 

[Dino246]

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Unfortunately because most flat earthers do their own research, and there is no unified flat earth textbook, many flat earthers are simply unaware of the work of others.

Areas of daylight and darkness have been adequately explained on a flat earth if we live under a semi reflective domelike structure. The coffee cup caustic approaches the models that I've seen some flat earthers put out. This is a single light source projected into a reflective coffee cup. Notice that the light wraps around the periphery in a wing-like shape. Now, the exact pattern of the light/darkness areas will differ based on the season. The Sun moves inwards and outwards between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn, so sometimes there isn't a wraparound effect when the Sun is closer to the center.

November through February, which is when the Sun is more southward and closer to the "dome periphery" is exactly when I would expect you to be getting this light backsplash shadow effect you describe.

See my next post for something else of interest.

There is no "light backsplash". The sun is visible toward the Southeast in the morning, and toward the Southeast in the evening, from Sydney, Australia. If it were "backsplash", the sun would be visible to the North at those times, while the reflection would also be visible. That is not the case.

 

[Dino246]

In about five minutes I put together the following. Took these pictures myself just a bit ago. I will explain what you are seeing.

On the left, I drew two large black arrows on a note card. In the middle, you can see the arrows through a drinking glass. On the right... water has been put in the drinking glass to a level between the two arrows. What do we see? The bottom arrow... IS NOW FACING THE OTHER WAY!

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My version of this is pretty poor but it gets the idea across. Water - a fluid medium - can bend light in some strange ways. You cannot always trust your eyes, especially where water meets air or some other light-permeable medium of different density, hardness, or refractive index.

Know what else is a fluid medium with areas of differing density, humidity levels, refractive index, etc.? THE ATMOSPHERE.

Even consensus scientism tells you you cannot trust your eyes, not really. They will tell you that if you are seeing a city at a distance which is too far on a globe, then it's a mirage or refraction. They will tell you that a selenelion is caused by refraction also, that you are not REALLY seeing the Sun and Moon above the horizon at the same time.

Okay, so our eyes are tricking us. That means that you can't trust what your eyes either, which means every explanation that you provide in support of FE is based on unreliable observations as well. Sorry, your theory is self-refuting.

 

[Snacks]

If Earth was flat our shadow on the moon would not be circular during a lunar eclipse.

 

[JStates]

If Earth was flat our shadow on the moon would not be circular during a lunar eclipse.

You've been told that but it's simply not true. Firstly, it has never been proven that the Moon is a sphere. Secondly, it has never been proven that it's a shadow being cast on the Moon at all, let alone from the Earth (look up selenelion or read my previous comment about it). Thirdly, shapes other than spheres CAN cast curved shadows on a sphere because the surface of a sphere is curved and thus can curve a shadow.

 

[JStates]

Okay, so our eyes are tricking us. That means that you can't trust what your eyes either, which means every explanation that you provide in support of FE is based on unreliable observations as well. Sorry, your theory is self-refuting.

Incorrect. If all we had were our eyes, then yes, you would be correct. However:

-Scripture states that the Earth is fixed and does not move.
-Experiments show that the Earth does not move.
-Movement of the Earth cannot be perceived and people who suffer from motion sickness are not made ill by the extreme "movements of the Earth."
-NASA/the government are demonstrably lying to the people and untrustworthy. In the case of NASA, the organization is a propaganda tool of Freemasons and secret societies. This is factually demonstrable.

I have stated many of these things over and over, and if you were truly paying attention to what I have been saying, you would have been able to realize most of my arguments are NOT based on optical observation.

 

[posthuman]

It amazes me that people will go to great lengths to defend flat earth and decry a globe earth, but absolutely refuse to deal with a simple question.

To wit, if the Earth is flat (and the "North pole" is at the centre of the 'disc'), how can the sun cast a Northward shadow from a point located South of the Tropic of Capricorn? It does so every (clear) morning and evening from November through February.

In three years since I first posed the question, I have only seen one FE proponent attempt to answer it, and his answer was so hopelessly flawed that he was rebuked by another FE proponent.

Come on people, step up.

i know.

i'm still waiting for one of these thread authors to simply go outside & watch the sun rise or set.

we must be spoiling their fun; go figure

 

[Magenta]

Motion sickness: when there's a conflict between what your eyes see and what your inner ears, which help with balance, sense.
Your brain holds details about where you are and how you're moving. It constantly updates this with information from your eyes and vestibular system. The vestibular system is a network of nerves, channels and fluids in your inner ear, which gives your brain a sense of motion and balance.

If there's a mismatch of information between these two systems, your brain can't update your current status and the resulting confusion will lead to symptoms of motion sickness, such as nausea and vomiting.

For example, you can get motion sickness when travelling by car because your eyes tell your brain that you're travelling at more than 30 miles an hour, but your vestibular system tells your brain that you're sitting still.

You really ought to strike that one from your list.

 

[posthuman]

Know what else is a fluid medium with areas of differing density, humidity levels, refractive index, etc.? THE ATMOSPHERE.

well there go all your 'i can see further over bodies of water than i think i should' arguments

congratulations. been trying patiently to explain that for years.

now draw the ray diagram for your water glass.

 

[JStates]

well there go all your 'i can see further over bodies of water than i think i should' arguments

Yes and no. With actual value for refraction being known, the "I can see further over bodies of water than I should be able to" boils down to "Heliocentrists are wrong according to their own model." THAT'S really the point that's being made.

Anyways, you are straining at gnats and swallowing camels. Everyone blasts ME for being ridiculous... but I'm still waiting for just one proof of the spinning globe Earth.

Can I prove scientifically that the Earth is flat? Honestly, no. I don't have the resources or equipment. Who SHOULD be able to prove the shape of the Earth? The world governments. So where's our livestream of the whole spinning globe Earth? Don't you think everyone on the "planet" would like to see where they live, instead of NASA's ceaseless stream of CG fakery? It should be easy to put a camera on the Moon, since we popped over for picnics all the time back in the day and send our space junk up every now and again.

What I CAN prove beyond all reasonable doubt is that NASA and the government are lying to us about the Earth, and it's a BIG lie, whatever it is.

When I add that to the Scriptures, 2+2 makes four.