You are still a slave to sin if you are still doing them. JESUS Gifted us The Way to Overcome!

[Blain]

I've read your testimony before, bro. I pray the Lord will sustain you after all that. Praise God you have a mom who loves and cares for you. Remember that when a father and mother abandon, the Lord picks us up

I didn't see any question, though. Can you reply with it now?

As far as whether osas is true or not whether one can lose their salvation or not honestly to me it isn't hard to understand we were purchased by God with his sons death we are not our own our salvation was not by our own doing we are slaves to Christs the deed of our souls are not in our hands but in his.

Unless of course you think different, otherwise can a one who is purchased make a claim for themselves? can a slave be their own master? do you think we can just snatch the deed from God's hands? So tell me did he purchase us with his sons death or not? are we slaves to Christ like Paul or not? does he own the deed to our souls or not? are we our own or not and was our salvation our own doing or not? and if you agree to even one of these things then by all means explain how one can somehow lose what isn't theirs to lose.
It was not my testimony it was this here I posted it earlier then copied and pasted it for you in an earlier post and here it is again please read it and answer it thank you

 

[Blain]

The Sabbath isn't based on a lunar calendar - that was the "Feast Days" aka "the Sabbaths of the Jews".

However, the "Sabbath of the Lord" which is "besides" the sabbaths of the Jews (Leviticus 23:38 KJV) is based on the repeating 7 day cycle established in Eden which the Naval Observatory issued a report saying the cycle has never been interrupted. Besides, if it got lost from Eden, God told Abraham who kept all God's statutes, laws, commandments, etc. If it got lost from Abraham, God told Israel. If it got lost from Sinai, Jesus straightened it out, and it's been the same 7 day weekly Sabbath ever since.

But, people ain't as confused as they want us to believe, because if I told a Sunday keeper I'd have a million dollars for him next Sabbath, he'd be there

The Lord of the sabbatch simply means Jesus is Lord of the sabbath nowhere does it say he changed the date of the sabbath in fact he celebrated the sabbath on the day that God made holy and sacred as the sabbath when he declared himself Lord of the sabbath. The feast days are more than just mere celebrations they are holy days appointed by God not even he changes them

The sabbath is the sabbath Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath there is not two seperate sabbaths, the only other sabbath is that in which Jesus became our sabbath like those who rest in him instead of celebrating the Judiasm tradition of resting and not laboring on that day. There are seven feast days seven being the number of perfection if you claim to say sabbath is not a feast day then that makes six the number of man because the sabbath of the Lord is still the sabbath on the same day which means it still goes by the lunar calander which God had originally designed which brings me back to my originally point to us it is saturday to them it is sunday. By the way the day in which people go to church has no difference in the pockets that are filled it's the people of the church's fault not the day's fault.

 

[Phoneman-777]

So you still offer animal sacrifices and stone folks.
No man has ever kept the law except Jesus.
You do not keep the law so why keep harping on it.

"Blessed are they who do His commandments, that they may have right to the Tree of Life..."

Why do you find Jesus' commandments so grievous? The same reason a single man at a wedding finds the exchange of marriage vows grievous, maybe?

 

[Phoneman-777]

As far as whether osas is true or not whether one can lose their salvation or not honestly to me it isn't hard to understand we were purchased by God with his sons death we are not our own our salvation was not by our own doing we are slaves to Christs the deed of our souls are not in our hands but in his.

Unless of course you think different, otherwise can a one who is purchased make a claim for themselves? can a slave be their own master? do you think we can just snatch the deed from God's hands? So tell me did he purchase us with his sons death or not? are we slaves to Christ like Paul or not? does he own the deed to our souls or not? are we our own or not and was our salvation our own doing or not? and if you agree to even one of these things then by all means explain how one can somehow lose what isn't theirs to lose.
It was not my testimony it was this here I posted it earlier then copied and pasted it for you in an earlier post and here it is again please read it and answer it thank you

Friend, while I appreciate your thoughts, what I ask you for was your opinion of that short, concise line of reasoning I presented based on Matthew 24:12-13 KJV as a means of disproving OSAS.

If you're not interested, that's fine, but the deal was I would read your post and you would read what I wrote about Matthew 24:12-13 KJV

 

[Phoneman-777]

The Lord of the sabbatch simply means Jesus is Lord of the sabbath nowhere does it say he changed the date of the sabbath in fact he celebrated the sabbath on the day that God made holy and sacred as the sabbath when he declared himself Lord of the sabbath. The feast days are more than just mere celebrations they are holy days appointed by God not even he changes them

The sabbath is the sabbath Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath there is not two seperate sabbaths, the only other sabbath is that in which Jesus became our sabbath like those who rest in him instead of celebrating the Judiasm tradition of resting and not laboring on that day. There are seven feast days seven being the number of perfection if you claim to say sabbath is not a feast day then that makes six the number of man because the sabbath of the Lord is still the sabbath on the same day which means it still goes by the lunar calander which God had originally designed which brings me back to my originally point to us it is saturday to them it is sunday. By the way the day in which people go to church has no difference in the pockets that are filled it's the people of the church's fault not the day's fault.

The Sabbath commandment is binding upon the church every bit of much as "thou shalt not kill" or "commit adultery" or "have not other gods before Me".

It was kept in Eden when you couldn't have dragged Adam and Eve away with wild horses, by Abraham who obeyed God's "charge, commandments, statutes, and laws", by Israel before they even got to Mount Sinai, by the early church, and will be kept in eternity...but SOMEHOW we don't have to worry about it now?

 

[Evmur]

You call me a liar for repeating things you say I've never heard said? Were you there? People in MY OWN CHURCH have said it! Charles Stanley said it! But, here's your chance to deny it what I've heard with my own ears:

Can a saint presumptuously and impenitently sin and still go to heaven, YES OR NO?

you saying Charles Stanley said "we can cling to our sins and still make it to heaven"

that is a lie.

 

[Evmur]

Nathan said David's sin was put away AFTER he confessed it, NOT BEFORE -- are we clear on that?

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleans us from all unrighteousness".

Nathan said ... but David's sin was already put away. The order of events is God did it and then sent Nathan to inform David. David had no conviction, no repentance and no shame at what he had did ... he was made to see how wickedly he had behaved.

 

[Evmur]

You call me a liar for repeating things you say I've never heard said? Were you there? People in MY OWN CHURCH have said it! Charles Stanley said it! But, here's your chance to deny it what I've heard with my own ears:

Can a saint presumptuously and impenitently sin and still go to heaven, YES OR NO?

A saint who sins wilfully after he has been sanctified for all time by a single sacrifice [the cross] faces chastisement and that can be severe even unto death. But damned they cannot be. THAT is along the lines Charles Stanley would have preached.

You can't mess with God.

 

[Evmur]

It was evil spirits which prompted the unbelieving Jews to accuse obedient Jesus of breaking the Mosaic Law, and 2,000 years later they're still busier than a one legged man in an butt-kicking contest.

You gave up attempting to attain to obeying the law at the first step "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart and all thy soul"

You knew you didn't, couldn't, wouldn't, so you did not even attempt to.

Yet all the other laws hang upon it.

You are a fraud.

 

[Rosemaryx]

This was posted from a brother in Christ , and I thought this would be a good place to post it...

If salvation could be lost or undone once spritiual rebirth has already occured in a believer, God would then have to do numerous things the Bible never speaks of or teaches Him doing to anyone!
Surely the scriptures would clearly illustrate these things if it were true?
Follow along...
God would have to pass me back into death from the eternal life that He already gave me.
God would have to remove me spiritually from being seated with Christ in heavenly places.
God would have to "un-join" me from Christ.
God would have to "un-wash" me from the blood of Jesus that already washed me.
God would have to "un-seal" me from the Holy Spirit.
God would have to "re-place" my sins back onto me that He already removed as far as the east is from the west.
God would would have to now remember my sins that He already "remembers no more".
God would have to break His own covenant He made with His Son and therefore would make Him a liar (and we know God cannot lie).
God would have to "un-adopt" me as His child.
God would have to leave me and forsake me eventhough He promised to never do so (again God cannot lie).
God would have to "pluck me" from His own hand in which He already promised nothing could ever do!
God would have to "take back" the free gift He already gave to me.
God would have to "un-do" the righteousness He already imputed to me from Jesus.
God would have to fail to raise me on the last day going back on His promise to do so (God cannot lie).
God would have to fail in completing the good work in me He already promised to complete.
God would have to ignore all the prayers of His Son on our behalf who is interceding for us as believers.
God would have to ultimately reverse the once for all sacrifice made by His own Son and ignore it like it never happened.
I could go on for days with this! But hopefully you get the picture.
Titus 3:5 KJV
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

 

[Blain]

Friend, while I appreciate your thoughts, what I ask you for was your opinion of that short, concise line of reasoning I presented based on Matthew 24:12-13 KJV as a means of disproving OSAS.

If you're not interested, that's fine, but the deal was I would read your post and you would read what I wrote about Matthew 24:12-13 KJV

Np the deal was that you would read and answer my question that I asked first then I would answer yours it is a simple matter of courtesy I promise to answer you if you will first answer me as I was the one who asked this first in post #197 if you cannot or will not answer then I have no obligation to answer yours what is given will be given back simple as that.

 

[Blain]

The Sabbath commandment is binding upon the church every bit of much as "thou shalt not kill" or "commit adultery" or "have not other gods before Me".

It was kept in Eden when you couldn't have dragged Adam and Eve away with wild horses, by Abraham who obeyed God's "charge, commandments, statutes, and laws", by Israel before they even got to Mount Sinai, by the early church, and will be kept in eternity...but SOMEHOW we don't have to worry about it now?

It is a matter of old covenant vs new covenant you seem to want to live in the old covenant which lives by law the sabbath was kept yes but it was done strictly and done so as a law of God to be kept it was part of the old covenant while in the new one where Jesus became Lord of the sabbath he became the sabbath for us he keeps the sabbath for us he became the sacrifice for us so we don't have to sacrifice lambs anymore everything the old commandments demanded he became for us so we can simply rest in him and be with GGod.

So no it is not demanded we keep the sabbath anymore because he is our sabbath now it is not wrong to keep the sabbath and some do so out of respect for God but it is not demanded anymore of us unless of course you consider Jesus's works not good enough or consider him to not be the Lord of the sabbath or at the very least do not understand what it means to be Lord of the sabbath and what that entails

 

[SophieT]

The out-of-control emotionalism of liberal Christianity is no different than that of liberal politics.

Both groups read what isn't written, hear what isn't said, and can't handle being confronted with opinions banned from their safe space.

now its emotionalism. what next? anyone with only 3 toes on their left foot?

you are manufacturing excuses

however let God be true...and you know the rest of it

 

[SophieT]

The Sabbath isn't based on a lunar calendar - that was the "Feast Days" aka "the Sabbaths of the Jews".

However, the "Sabbath of the Lord" which is "besides" the sabbaths of the Jews (Leviticus 23:38 KJV) is based on the repeating 7 day cycle established in Eden which the Naval Observatory issued a report saying the cycle has never been interrupted. Besides, if it got lost from Eden, God told Abraham who kept all God's statutes, laws, commandments, etc. If it got lost from Abraham, God told Israel. If it got lost from Sinai, Jesus straightened it out, and it's been the same 7 day weekly Sabbath ever since.

But, people ain't as confused as they want us to believe, because if I told a Sunday keeper I'd have a million dollars for him next Sabbath, he'd be there

the sabbath was made for man...that's in the Bible...

does God close His ears on the Sabbath or still answer prayer?

duh

 

[SophieT]

It was evil spirits which prompted the unbelieving Jews to accuse obedient Jesus of breaking the Mosaic Law, and 2,000 years later they're still busier than a one legged man in an butt-kicking contest.

well at least that is true

however, they found a home in the hearts of those vipers

yeah

 

[SophieT]

I never fail to tell those like you who claim "Christians can't keep the law!" about how the indwelling Christ is the power by which "I can do all things through Christ Which strengthens me".

and your father was Abraham if I remember right?

 

[SophieT]

When Nathan the prophet confronted David he told him his sin was already put away.

sounds like it

13 Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.”

Nathan replied, “The Lord has taken away your sin; you will not die. 14 But since you have shown total contempt for the Lord by this affair, the son that is born to you must die.” 15 Then Nathan went home. II Samuel

David was not innocent....just forgiven

 

[Phoneman-777]

you saying Charles Stanley said "we can cling to our sins and still make it to heaven"

that is a lie.

Stanley says there’s the saved, the lost, and “carnal Christians” who willfully engage in sin. He says while they rob themselves of jewels in their crowns, the crowns are still waiting for them to wear in heaven.

I heard this false pulpit prophet preach this with my own ears.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Nathan said ... but David's sin was already put away. The order of events is God did it and then sent Nathan to inform David. David had no conviction, no repentance and no shame at what he had did ... he was made to see how wickedly he had behaved.

You ASSUME God put David’s sin away before he confessed it.

I can ASSUME God instructed Nathan to tell David his sin was put away ONLY if he confessed and my assumption would be plausible while yours is not backed up by Scripture:

“IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins…”

See that little word “if”? Denotes “condition” - the condition for obtaining forgiveness for sin is confessing it.

 

[Phoneman-777]

A saint who sins wilfully after he has been sanctified for all time by a single sacrifice [the cross] faces chastisement and that can be severe even unto death. But damned they cannot be. THAT is along the lines Charles Stanley would have preached.

You can't mess with God.

To summarize your words, Jesus died so the saint who willfully sins can escape the same punishment due to the sinner who willfully sins.

Good gravy, man, what else is that but a "OSAS License to Sin"???

A license allows the bearer to escape punishment for doing the exact same thing for which the unlicensed are punished.