when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.
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Predestination is mentioned by Christ here and there but I don't think He ever uses the word "predestination." Instead He describes it. I'm sure there's more, but look at these verses please:
Matthew 24:22 KJV
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
John 9:1-3 KJV
1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Matthew 24:22 KJV
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
John 9:1-3 KJV
1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
When I read the bible, and I come to a verse that seems a bit "off"- 100% of the time it's my understanding of the verse that is off, and not the verse itself. The scriptures are trustworthy, they're just difficult to understand sometimes. Even if Paul was struggling with something, he would not have allowed some demon inspired thought to make it's way into an epistle- And remember- Paul didn't handwrite most of his letters... So, even if he had said something that sounded crazy to his scribes, surely they would have known something was wrong.
When Paul is talking about vessels of honor and dishonor, the fact that he is using a pottery analogy should tell us something. If you are making pottery, you might make some cups that you want to be for special occasions- you might make those nicer than cups the cups that you want to be used on a day to day basis. That is the difference between "honor" and "dishonor". Unless you are some crazy mythbuster, or doing some weird experiment- you would never make a piece of pottery with the intent that it explodes when you put it in the oven. That's crazy!
We have in Romans, the idea that God is our potter, and he can make the clay into whatever he wants- but in 2Tim, we see that we have some inputs to the Lord that affect what kind of vessel he makes us into-
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness... If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
All of our vessels are destined for the oven, but we are only destined for destruction in the oven if we resist his work on us while we are still soft clay.
When Paul is talking about vessels of honor and dishonor, the fact that he is using a pottery analogy should tell us something. If you are making pottery, you might make some cups that you want to be for special occasions- you might make those nicer than cups the cups that you want to be used on a day to day basis. That is the difference between "honor" and "dishonor". Unless you are some crazy mythbuster, or doing some weird experiment- you would never make a piece of pottery with the intent that it explodes when you put it in the oven. That's crazy!
We have in Romans, the idea that God is our potter, and he can make the clay into whatever he wants- but in 2Tim, we see that we have some inputs to the Lord that affect what kind of vessel he makes us into-
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness... If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
All of our vessels are destined for the oven, but we are only destined for destruction in the oven if we resist his work on us while we are still soft clay.
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Only empty places echo. If a empty place is filled there is no echo. If you have foreign ideas that can wriggle and writhe, then it is not full with God.
Romans 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
Taming the tongue in obedience to Christ and God.
2 Corinthians 10:5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
The currency of satan are ideas. Repeating ideas against the Most High is not a desirable thing
Romans 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
Taming the tongue in obedience to Christ and God.
2 Corinthians 10:5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
The currency of satan are ideas. Repeating ideas against the Most High is not a desirable thing
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Can't grasp the logic so go for the grammar. 
I guess you were never asked to be logical. Bluntly, you talk about nothing. None of your statements argue against the idea of the idea.
Also, your logic is missing a few screws. I assume we are talking about the bible because there is a misquote.
I guess you were never asked to be logical. Bluntly, you talk about nothing. None of your statements argue against the idea of the idea.
Also, your logic is missing a few screws. I assume we are talking about the bible because there is a misquote.
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Can't grasp the logic so go for the grammar.
I guess you were never asked to be logical. Bluntly, you talk about nothing. None of your statements argue against the idea of the idea.
Also, your logic is missing a few screws. I assume we are talking about the bible because there is a misquote.
I guess you were never asked to be logical. Bluntly, you talk about nothing. None of your statements argue against the idea of the idea.
Also, your logic is missing a few screws. I assume we are talking about the bible because there is a misquote.
Feel free to point out where I've misquoted the Bible.
That whole list of what you call bad doctrine if banned from discussion would leave what? For discussion.
I agree with others here about OSAS. It in as much encapsulates the Gospel message.
And if we understand that then we know it isn't a license to sin. It doesn't make us a law unto ourselves.
I think OSAS is attacked by an element deifying the world view in order to renounce Christianity. And make it appear to be a lie when it is claimed sins can be overcome.
Which is what I see happening when people think eternal security in Christ is a falsehood.
And I think that is the message when OSAS is denounced and undermined.
I agree with others here about OSAS. It in as much encapsulates the Gospel message.
And if we understand that then we know it isn't a license to sin. It doesn't make us a law unto ourselves.
I think OSAS is attacked by an element deifying the world view in order to renounce Christianity. And make it appear to be a lie when it is claimed sins can be overcome.
Which is what I see happening when people think eternal security in Christ is a falsehood.
And I think that is the message when OSAS is denounced and undermined.
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why would somebody who is born again need to preach OSAS everyday day, bashing faith and works to prove there point. Would you not call that sinning ? I mean disrespecting the word of God and God's people who love works and law every day has to be a sin does it not. And bordering on narcissistic sinisterism
Does born again account to this ruling to ? Or just your ruling.
anyhow nice to hear from you friend, its so sad to see so many people divided over doctrin don't you think,
Let me ask you another way should a born again christian teach my future sins are forgiven, because my worry is Satan also teaches his future sins are forgiven,. So if OSAS teaches there future sins are forgiven are they not teaching a licence to sin, because Satan believes it's ok to sin.
Does born again account to this ruling to ? Or just your ruling.
anyhow nice to hear from you friend, its so sad to see so many people divided over doctrin don't you think,
Let me ask you another way should a born again christian teach my future sins are forgiven, because my worry is Satan also teaches his future sins are forgiven,. So if OSAS teaches there future sins are forgiven are they not teaching a licence to sin, because Satan believes it's ok to sin.
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Spoken as someone who embraces osmosis as a means of learning and argument. Show me your wonderful spirit teaching through the internet. What I can tell, it is something not worth knowing. Political correctness and judgement of language skills.
Like I said, if this is about the Scriptures, you should have paraphrased it properly. Your quote, use the Scriptures to write it out. Right now, your spiritual osmosis says "world" to me, so no pearls for you as they say.
Like I said, if this is about the Scriptures, you should have paraphrased it properly. Your quote, use the Scriptures to write it out. Right now, your spiritual osmosis says "world" to me, so no pearls for you as they say.
Your correct it's not a desirable thing, which is why I do not go repeating the thoughts of Satan to much myself everyday, but u do need to write them down and try to work them out just like Paul did. or let me say if I have not fallen for temptation to repeat Satans desire to have a religious argument which many do and even the saints in the Bible have.. And your absolutely correct to remind me of taming the tongue is also obedience to Christ, also your right that to say many echoes of the wrong sort can fill the heart of desire of the wrong type, but are you forgetting that the heart is flesh and not spirit and temptation can fill it all day.
Are you also forgetting that the heart can be filled from temptation that is not in your control untill you change yourself, what go into your heart and what comes out.
Also should we also remember That Jesus has spoken to us and told Christians that Satan can fill your heart with suffering all day and that means echoes to and temptation
So there you where receiving none stop temptation all day to engage in a religious argument, and suddenly you decided to sing songs of hope all day, do you see what I'm saying, if we look at Paul's writings number 1 he had a tormenting spirit and number 2 he wrote 1 religious argument after the next.
Are you also forgetting that the heart can be filled from temptation that is not in your control untill you change yourself, what go into your heart and what comes out.
Also should we also remember That Jesus has spoken to us and told Christians that Satan can fill your heart with suffering all day and that means echoes to and temptation
So there you where receiving none stop temptation all day to engage in a religious argument, and suddenly you decided to sing songs of hope all day, do you see what I'm saying, if we look at Paul's writings number 1 he had a tormenting spirit and number 2 he wrote 1 religious argument after the next.
your bias that you have here will only promote The doctrin of OSAS to carry on in preaching falsehoods,. The argument that we would have nothing to talk about if certain doctrins where banned is an absolute ridiculous appeal to make, for allowing them to continue. There never needed to be a doctrin of OSAS for born again Christians why does it need to exist, I mean it's pretty obvious if your born again your saved.
The theology of being saved is not what I'm calling for to being banned it is That God permits evil to use temptation or testing to see if a person will sin, also I'm calling for the doctrin that God promotes sin to be banned, which the bottom line is that theology exists in OSAS.. why because OSAS is very dangerous in the wrong hands.
I can also assure you if the doctrin I call to be banned was banned, you would have a lot more to talk about, because I know it can be spotted in other doctrines to, and I know it's key to winning the battle against the armies of Satan, which means we will have arguments wage against us like never befor, but at least in my opinion it will be an argument worth fighting, and not the one we currently fight of division.
The theology of being saved is not what I'm calling for to being banned it is That God permits evil to use temptation or testing to see if a person will sin, also I'm calling for the doctrin that God promotes sin to be banned, which the bottom line is that theology exists in OSAS.. why because OSAS is very dangerous in the wrong hands.
I can also assure you if the doctrin I call to be banned was banned, you would have a lot more to talk about, because I know it can be spotted in other doctrines to, and I know it's key to winning the battle against the armies of Satan, which means we will have arguments wage against us like never befor, but at least in my opinion it will be an argument worth fighting, and not the one we currently fight of division.
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but I don't ever recall born again Christians arguing about good works once upon a time, are you sure born again Christians argue about good works faith and holy laws and preach your future sins are forgiven, or is it people listening to Satan who think preaching OSAS will earn them rewards and favour and also proof there right to talk about God the way they do. how many liars has OSAS made out of Christians, is it thousands, millions what do you think, born again Christian where here befor OSAS arrived,. It's ok you can insult me further if you want, how about a red x
Why should a born again Christian have to proof there theology of OSAS should preach there future sins are forgiven, because they will not mean to sin, ? Well ok forget about the very thought that you can sin in the future and be forgiven without repentance should not even enter your head, that is pride, and pride has got a hold of people preaching OSAS, why do you think that is ?.
Can you speak for everyone who preaches OSAS,. Have you took the stance your future sins are forgiven, too ?
Why should a born again Christian have to proof there theology of OSAS should preach there future sins are forgiven, because they will not mean to sin, ? Well ok forget about the very thought that you can sin in the future and be forgiven without repentance should not even enter your head, that is pride, and pride has got a hold of people preaching OSAS, why do you think that is ?.
Can you speak for everyone who preaches OSAS,. Have you took the stance your future sins are forgiven, too ?
Telling the truth and refuting error on any subject is not "bashing", and it certainly isn't sinful. Disagreeing with someone's interpretation of Scripture is not "disrespecting the word of God".
It doesn't credit you to use words that you think are correct. Look them up, and avoid looking foolish.
It doesn't credit you to use words that you think are correct. Look them up, and avoid looking foolish.
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Good works are good. Never said they were not good. Never heard that taught or preached.
What I said is that to teach good works are necessary to earn or keep salvation is a false teaching and is calling God a liar.
At what point, at what failure, does one lose his salvation?
How many good works are necessary?
What good works are necessary.
Surely the Scripture answers these questions if good works are necessary for salvation.
What I said is that to teach good works are necessary to earn or keep salvation is a false teaching and is calling God a liar.
At what point, at what failure, does one lose his salvation?
How many good works are necessary?
What good works are necessary.
Surely the Scripture answers these questions if good works are necessary for salvation.
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How many times have we heard that here, or how many time do we need to be told that. And who do you believe started to preach good works will earn you salvation, was that also Christians, ? Or was it the same pride and people who preach OSAS,. Because both are a religious argument,.
Let me ask you another question do born again Christian believe good works will save them. Do they really,. Personaly I believe born again Christian have unlimited kindness.
Personal I see the only people looking to gain favour and rewards are those ramming there theology's down are throats everyday, when we have herd it all befor especially those preaching OSAS with false hoods and criticism.
Let me ask you another question do born again Christian believe good works will save them. Do they really,. Personaly I believe born again Christian have unlimited kindness.
Personal I see the only people looking to gain favour and rewards are those ramming there theology's down are throats everyday, when we have herd it all befor especially those preaching OSAS with false hoods and criticism.
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When the Apostles Jesus to teach them to pray and Jesus did so, they were instructed to ask forgiveness of their sins.
Repentance and asking forgiveness for sins by believers is taught in Scripture.
I Have never taught nor have I heard a teaches that believe in eternal security teach that repentance and asking forgiveness was not necessary or that goods works were bad.
Doing good works will bring blessings but will not bring salvation or keep one saved.
If you have, please give us names and times.
And do not bring up these half witted false teaches that flood TV screens or internet web sights.
Repentance and asking forgiveness for sins by believers is taught in Scripture.
I Have never taught nor have I heard a teaches that believe in eternal security teach that repentance and asking forgiveness was not necessary or that goods works were bad.
Doing good works will bring blessings but will not bring salvation or keep one saved.
If you have, please give us names and times.
And do not bring up these half witted false teaches that flood TV screens or internet web sights.
your pride is gaining confidence because now your insinuating further, does preaching the one sentence works for salvation does not get you saved qualify a person to know the whole Bible or insinuate further, do you realise your gaining confidence in discrediting the truth about how pride gets s hold of those who preach OSAS, and I have witnessed it, just like I'm witnessing you becoming more stubborn in your replies, one sentence of a doctrin does not qualify you to be my preacher, its Jesus who saves you, not one sentence of works does not save,. And yes I have witnessed the sentence used in OSAS my future sins are forgiven here many times. So no your insinuating of that's only on TV is also false. Along with your growing pride.
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Temptations and vices are always there. For me they are flies to be swatted. Done away with realization and prayer. Do I fail at times, of course. Look forward to eternal joy and never backward to carnal regrets. Ask for forgiveness and strength and then continue climbing up the Holy Mountain. That is the lot of man.
Slavery of this world or Freedom in Christ
Psalm 119:…44I will always obey Your law, forever and ever. 45And I will walk in freedom, for I have sought Your precepts. 46I will speak of Your testimonies before kings, and I will not be ashamed.…
The price of freedom is the Precepts of God. Keep them Holy. Temptation is when you translate duty as choice then one must choose between the world or God. When committed to an argument that pertains to Salvation, it is duty that must drive you, no other considerations from without or within are important. You are upholding the Precepts of God.
Paul`s thorn was a physical ailment that hurt like hell (angel of satan). It must of been painful, and when demanded by God to minister, Paul must of prayed for succor. God`s succor was His Grace, not the alleviation of his pain. While the other Apostles were chosen by Jesus, Paul was compelled - they laid Stephen`s garment before Saul`s feet after being stoned. I believe the narrative is about redemption, not evil spirits. Paul readily accepted all pain and suffering as Christ redeemed him.
Slavery of this world or Freedom in Christ
Psalm 119:…44I will always obey Your law, forever and ever. 45And I will walk in freedom, for I have sought Your precepts. 46I will speak of Your testimonies before kings, and I will not be ashamed.…
The price of freedom is the Precepts of God. Keep them Holy. Temptation is when you translate duty as choice then one must choose between the world or God. When committed to an argument that pertains to Salvation, it is duty that must drive you, no other considerations from without or within are important. You are upholding the Precepts of God.
Paul`s thorn was a physical ailment that hurt like hell (angel of satan). It must of been painful, and when demanded by God to minister, Paul must of prayed for succor. God`s succor was His Grace, not the alleviation of his pain. While the other Apostles were chosen by Jesus, Paul was compelled - they laid Stephen`s garment before Saul`s feet after being stoned. I believe the narrative is about redemption, not evil spirits. Paul readily accepted all pain and suffering as Christ redeemed him.
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