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still, waiting ????
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I already posted it:

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of the nobles would come to the daughters of man, and they would bear for them; they are the mighty men, who were of old, the men of renown.

and they would bear for them
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You can't bear if you are not pregnant.
 
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Obviously the gene pool had to be cleansed via the flood.

It does appear the men of renoun came from fallen angels impregnating women.
A super race.

Apparently they did it again after the flood, but om a mote limited scale
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I wish the text said that :)
 
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I wish the text said that :)
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Your text will never say that because it is a TRANSLATION OF A TRANSLATION!

How many missed TRUTHS do you believe because you choose a TRANSLATION OF A TRANSLATION over the ORIGINAL SOURCE?
 
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Your text will never say that because it is a TRANSLATION OF A TRANSLATION!

How many missed TRUTHS do you believe because you choose a TRANSLATION OF A TRANSLATION over the ORIGINAL SOURCE?
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still, waiting ??? Show me in the Torah the text of Genesis 6 saying angels had sex with women.
 
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Absolutely said:
Obviously the gene pool had to be cleansed via the flood.

It does appear the men of renoun came from fallen angels impregnating women.
A super race.

Apparently they did it again after the flood, but om a mote limited scale
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still, waiting ??? Show me in the Torah the text of Genesis 6 saying angels had sex with women.
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4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of the nobles would come to the daughters of man, and they would bear for them; they are the mighty men, who were of old, the men of renown.

when the sons of the nobles would come to the daughters of man, and they would bear for them;
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They just stood beside the women and the women got pregnant?

Show me where SEX is listed anywhere in your Bible?
How did Eve CONCEIVE, the WORD [[SEX]] was not listed?

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The book of Enoch can be read for its historical context. One doesn't need to believe it is inspired to be used in this manner, and it doesn't contradict the bible. It spells out what the bible appears to say - that the "sons of God" were indeed angels, and not "sons of men", as some are claiming.

This also explains why the offspring - the nephilim - were a different race, and not simply unbelieving men (as would occur if the sons of men came into the daughters of men, as they do today). It also offers an explanation for the existence of demons (God clearly didn't create these, and yet the bible differentiates them from angels). Finally, it gives an explanation for the passage in Jude.

The argument that when the bible says "sons of God" it really means "sons of men" only leaves anomalies for addressing the same subjects.
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I tend to agree. Your post sparked something in me namely that if it was just men impregnating women why would that be any thing worth mentioning ,as that's just normal activity. And so men of renown would line up with some type of mutation. They were definitely freaks of nature, and so to me, that completely removes any credibility that it was just men impregnating women
 
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4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of the nobles would come to the daughters of man, and they would bear for them; they are the mighty men, who were of old, the men of renown.

when the sons of the nobles would come to the daughters of man, and they would bear for them;
^
They just stood beside the women and the women got pregnant?

Show me where SEX is listed anywhere in your Bible?
How did Eve CONCEIVE, the WORD [[SEX]] was not listed?

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I tend to agree.

From your link;
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Nephilim: [They were called נְפִילִים because they fell (נָפְלוּ) and caused the world to fall (הִפִּילוּ) (Gen. Rabbah 26:7), and in the Hebrew language it means giants (Pirkei d’Rabbi Eliezer, ch. 22 and Targum Jonathan). הנפלים: על שם שנפלו והפילו את העולם, ובלשון עברית לשון ענקים הוא:in those days: in the days of the generation of Enosh and the children of Cain. בימים ההם: בימי דור אנוש ובני קין:and also afterward: Although they had seen the destruction of the generation of Enosh, when the ocean rose up and inundated a third of the world, the generation of the Flood did not humble themselves to learn from them. — [from Mechilta Yithro, Massechta Bachodesh 6; Sifrei Ekev 743] וגם אחרי כן: אף על פי שראו באבדן של דור אנוש שעלה אוקיינוס והציף שליש העולם, לא נכנע דור המבול ללמוד מהם:when…would come: They [the mothers] would bear giants like them [the fathers]. — [from Gen. Rabbah 26:7] אשר יבאו: היו יולדות ענקים כמותם:mighty men: to rebel against the Omnipresent. — [Yelammednu, Batei Midrashoth, p. 148] הגבורים: למרוד במקום:the men of renown: Heb. אַנְשֵׁי הַשֵּׁם Those who were called by name: Irad, Mechujael, Methushael, who were so named because of their destruction, for they were wiped out (מְחוּיָאֵל from נִמּוֹחוּ) and uprooted; (מְתוּשָׁאֵל from הֻתָּשׁוּ). Another explanation: men of desolation (שִׁמָּמוֹן), who made the world desolate. — [from Gen. Rabbah 26:7]
 
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still, waiting ??? Show me in the Torah the text of Genesis 6 saying angels had sex with women.
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It is speculation.
However there really is no other credible explanation.
 
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4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of the nobles would come to the daughters of man, and they would bear for them; they are the mighty men, who were of old, the men of renown.

when the sons of the nobles would come to the daughters of man, and they would bear for them;
^
They just stood beside the women and the women got pregnant?

Show me where SEX is listed anywhere in your Bible?
How did Eve CONCEIVE, the WORD [[SEX]] was not listed?

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FYI I am not a KJV-only guy you need to stop stereotyping.

Has shown earlier the word Nephelim means mighty men also as sons of God mean Ben elohym = men of flesh.

You need to start at verse 1. because without 1-3 four is unclear. we must address sons of God before we assume nepehilims were created by angels or the offspring of them.

the fact that the Hebrew shows us, sons means also a human being




The Book of Beginnings (Genesis)also is the beginning of the languages of man, NOT GOD.

IF we look at the progression of the word of God through the bible Sons of God as a normative speak of men more than angels, in the New Testament I am a son of God as there are many of us who are because of Christ.


Also, the fall of man was relatively new from the context of Genesis. we see many spiritual things pertaining to man and God that are not fully explained example Enoch walked with God and was no more, for God took him? In Hebrew let's see what God did from the word took (lāqaḥ )?

  1. (Qal)
    1. to take, take in the hand
    2. to take and carry along
    3. to take from, take out of, take, carry away, take away
    4. to take to or for a person, procure, get, take possession of, select, choose, take in marriage, receive, accept
    5. to take up or upon, put upon
    6. to fetch
    7. to take, lead, conduct
    8. to take, capture, seize
    9. to take, carry off
    10. to take (vengeance)

there are many ways this word TOOK can go YET we must use from the context the word that best fits

# 10 can't be God took Vengeance out on Enoch why? Because the word Walked with GOD.

which could mean :


to go, walk, come

  1. (Qal)
    1. to go, walk, come, depart, proceed, move, go away
    2. to die, live, manner of life (fig.)
Adam walked with God, Enoch, walked with God Noah walked with God Abraham walked with God
they were all Sons of God as they were known as

bēn 'ĕlōhîm =
  1. sons (as characterisation, i.e. sons of injustice [for un- righteous men] or sons of God [for angels]


Genesis chapter 6 actually is speaking about men, not angels because the chapter is about men, not angels.

the daughters of men speak to those who are not known as the elect. Sons of God speak of those who walk with GOD NOT IN SIN.

BUT were now doing so.
 
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It is speculation.
However there really is no other credible explanation.
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I accept that and thank you for it. Where the bible is silent we are to be also. Yet the text does stand-alone with in the context of why God flooded the whole earth.
 
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FYI I am not a KJV-only guy you need to stop stereotyping.

Has shown earlier the word Nephelim means mighty men also as sons of God mean Ben elohym = men of flesh.

You need to start at verse 1. because without 1-3 four is unclear. we must address sons of God before we assume nepehilims were created by angels or the offspring of them.

the fact that the Hebrew shows us, sons means also a human being




The Book of Beginnings (Genesis)also is the beginning of the languages of man, NOT GOD.

IF we look at the progression of the word of God through the bible Sons of God as a normative speak of men more than angels, in the New Testament I am a son of God as there are many of us who are because of Christ.


Also, the fall of man was relatively new from the context of Genesis. we see many spiritual things pertaining to man and God that are not fully explained example Enoch walked with God and was no more, for God took him? In Hebrew let's see what God did from the word took (lāqaḥ )?

  1. (Qal)
    1. to take, take in the hand
    2. to take and carry along
    3. to take from, take out of, take, carry away, take away
    4. to take to or for a person, procure, get, take possession of, select, choose, take in marriage, receive, accept
    5. to take up or upon, put upon
    6. to fetch
    7. to take, lead, conduct
    8. to take, capture, seize
    9. to take, carry off
    10. to take (vengeance)

there are many ways this word TOOK can go YET we must use from the context the word that best fits

# 10 can't be God took Vengeance out on Enoch why? Because the word Walked with GOD.

which could mean :


to go, walk, come

  1. (Qal)
    1. to go, walk, come, depart, proceed, move, go away
    2. to die, live, manner of life (fig.)
Adam walked with God, Enoch, walked with God Noah walked with God Abraham walked with God
they were all Sons of God as they were known as

bēn 'ĕlōhîm =
  1. sons (as characterisation, i.e. sons of injustice [for un- righteous men] or sons of God [for angels]


Genesis chapter 6 actually is speaking about men, not angels because the chapter is about men, not angels.

the daughters of men speak to those who are not known as the elect. Sons of God speak of those who walk with GOD NOT IN SIN.

BUT were now doing so.
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The Hebrew word nefilim is directly translated as “giants” to mean “the fallen ones” (from the Hebrew naphal, “to fall”)
 
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Absolutely said:
I tend to agree. Your post sparked something in me namely that if it was just men impregnating women why would that be any thing worth mentioning ,as that's just normal activity. And so men of renown would line up with some type of mutation. They were definitely freaks of nature, and so to me, that completely removes any credibility that it was just men impregnating women
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Normal activity does not equal the will of God, which is that people of faith not intermarry with outsiders, for the specific reason given that the daughters of men will lead your sons astray from the one true God to serve strange gods, codified as a commandment in Deuteronomy and repeated throughout the OT into the New. Illicit sex with outsiders is also mentioned previously in Numbers, though not specifically in the context of marriage. Say, murder was not commanded against in the first chapters of Genesis yet, either, yet it was/is clearly wrong and the perp punished. <- pre-emptive (LOL) :)
 
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I gave the verse that specifically said it was due to the evil of men, yet you contradict it.
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I simply stated the source of the evil...giants in the earth...offspring from the sons of God and daughters of men. Scripture makes a distinction on purpose..."of God"..."of men".
 
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Absolutely said:
I tend to agree. Your post sparked something in me namely that if it was just men impregnating women why would that be any thing worth mentioning ,as that's just normal activity. And so men of renown would line up with some type of mutation. They were definitely freaks of nature, and so to me, that completely removes any credibility that it was just men impregnating women
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I think some are just stuck on sex with women in the Bible. In doing so they miss the point of Genesis 6 because they fail to read before Genesis 6 to understand the relationship with God before and after the fall.

In properly interpreting the word of God we must look above and below the text for clear understanding

many want to look at JOB, Enoch, and even Jude to make the sex with angels authoritative but will not admit there is no clear cut translation of that and FYI those who cry TORAH read it is English too which is a Tranlation from Hebrew and doesn't say that either.

What we should do is look at chapters 1-5 of Genesis and see if there is any language that describes sons of God or other words that mean the same thing in context to men or angels. Well, there is in fact elohym means gods, angels, and men. The context of where it is used must be taken into consideration as to what best hold the word of God in the meaning the author meant it to mean. i.e authorial intent.


those words that we continue to ignore that reveal revelation of God and man prior to the fall and after.

Before Enoch was "took" by God, "God took" Adam and placed him in the garden Gen 2:15
Before God walked with Enoch, God walked with Adam Gen 3:8.

sons of God were not exclusively to angels only therefore the context must be looked at and how the words are used. also, the word Angel is used in the Old Testament as "angel of the LORD ".

Sons of God, those who walked with God, the Elect of God or Gods Elect, the called-out ones, are all descriptive of man in a relationship with the Lord God. IF we look at Genesis chapter 1 through five it was not angels GOD had issue switch but one.


adam sinned, Cain killed his brother, wickedness of man God flooded the earth, confounding of languages at Babel, the doom of Sodom, all because of man. IF the Genesis 6 account is about angels having sex with women then are angels to blame for the destruction of the earth not the wickedness of man as the word states.
 
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The Hebrew word nefilim is directly translated as “giants” to mean “the fallen ones” (from the Hebrew naphal, “to fall”)
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Since no one bit, i will expand upon with meaning.

Why call these offspring [the Fallen Ones], or Nephilim?


Read Genesis 3, 4 and 5 and Matthew 1 and Luke about the Lineage.

So and so begat...SON OF, SON OF, SON OF...

Look at how Jacob explains his God, the God [[of]] Abraham and Isaac

So why are the Fallen Ones in the name of the Nephilim?

Because the they are the Children of the Fallen Noble, which Noble is [[Malach]], which in Hebrew is expressed as (the Hebrew word for messenger), which is ANGEL [מָלַח] < which is found in the Hebrew Version of Bereishit (Genesis) Chapter 6, Verse 4.
 
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@Jo2016 jo20,

Was I right?
Search out the word,let God reveal it to you.
Remember THIS has nothing to do with following Jesus.
There are many unknowable things in the word,allowing the Spirit to reveal is much better than man's thoughts.
 
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The Hebrew word nefilim is directly translated as “giants” to mean “the fallen ones” (from the Hebrew naphal, “to fall”)
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and they were human flesh as we see in the word of God
 
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I simply stated the source of the evil...giants in the earth...offspring from the sons of God and daughters of men. Scripture makes a distinction on purpose..."of God"..."of men".
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The source of evil is man's hearts, again specifically stated in Scripture and contradicted by you.
 
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