The lie that we are sinless if we are saved

[RichMan]

i'm not a palm reader ...but you obviously are doing them if you are fighting me tooth and nail on them.

READ THIS ...all of it


1 John 3:4-10 ESV

4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.

6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.

8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

So you are just lying again.
You do know God hates a liar don't you.
Seems you have fallen off your sinless pedestal.

 

[Runningman]

promise?

(since you did not seem to even acknowledge what it what actually about in the first place)

my so called attitude is just you not getting the response you think I should give you)

grow up

Matthew 7:6
6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

So you are just lying again.
You do know God hates a liar don't you.
Seems you have fallen off your sinless pedestal.

i deal with atheists, ex-Christians, and the lukewarm ...you all act the same

 

[Oblio]

Those with religious spirits (demons) always act the same...I can spot them a mile away!

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Those with religious spirits (demons) always act the same...I can spot them a mile away!

Did you get a glimpse of my horns when i told you to stop sinning?

 

[SophieT]

Matthew 7:6
6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

thanks

you reveal who you really are

also why I did not supply you with your demands

 

[pittsburghjoe]

This is what the flesh does, it tells you The Truth is a lie! Take one second and consider how ridiculous you are being to fight for your sin. Do you think JESUS was clowning around when He said: Go and sin no more?

 

[SophieT]

The sad truth is that you cannot see the truth.
Satan has blinded you to the fact that only one man has ever lived a sinless life.
That man was Jesus and He died so that we would not suffer the judgment of eternal Hell.
And your response is that you are equal to the very Son of God.
You are a liar.
I pray that you will repent before God silences you.

or a moderator

 

[Magenta]

Doesn't the bible teach the opposite that it does?

Isaiah 59:2
But your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, So that He will not hear.

Were they Christians? Sealed with the Holy Spirit?

 

[Magenta]

1 John 17:2-3

 

[Blain]

How did you meet him? Sounds like a wonderful experience. Would love to hear more on that.

I have met him several times both as father and as Jesus. The first time I met him as father before I was saved I was searching for him longing to feel loved when I had a dream I was in a purre white place and was standing right next to him I saw no physical form but knew it was father he was showing me a river made of rainbow colors more vivid and beautiful than anything I had ever seen so much so I was weeping because of it's beauty he told me it was his plan, the next time I met him I was saved and was longing to know what it felt like to have a family that actually loved and cared about me when I was aagin in that white place and saw a family that was laughing and smiling they were not perfect by any means but they truly cared and love each other I asked to be a part of this family when a man in rags appeared who I intantly knew was Jesus who hugged me and I was filled with such warmth and love it was overwhelming but melted my heart and he said I had to make my family like this.

Another time I met Jesus was actually in hell when I was once again in that white place and saw something go through a white door and I knew I was to follow as soon I did I entered hell and it was so hot in there that my shirt was glued to my skin Jesus was sitting in a chair waiting for me I won't go into details about my journey with him in hell as it would take to long aside from the fact that there were things he had to show me there.

Yet another time I met Jesus I dreampt I was sitting in his lap as he was teaching a group of people at his feet he was telling these people that we need to just rest in his love and stop overcomplicating things and I spoke up saying yes but as humans we tend to overcomplicate things in general he gave me a stern look and I felt bad for contradicting him thinking I was being smart for what I said and just about a week ago I had a dream that I was talking to Jesus telling him he was my best friend and he grew tend stories high and like a giddy child I asked him to pick me up he didn't do it I asked again he still didn't do it I asked a third time and this time I knew I had to do it by faith so I offered some faith and scended some I offered more and scended more I offered as much as I had in me and made almost all the way but I was perplexed I offered all I had but was still not in his arms so I closed my eyes and remembered all we had been through together everytime he had been there for me all the times he comforted me all the times that my heart was broken all the treasured memories of our journey and witha renewed zeal and fire in my heart I shouted I will have the faith of a mighty warrior of God and shot into his arms.

now as for the time I spoke of when I felt his love on that level I was in my house and went into my room and felt a presence but just ignored it and went to lay in bed to be still and know him as I do sometimes and as soon as I did my body lost all it's strength but as soon as it did I was suddenly in fathers arms enveloped in his love beyond what I could have imagined. it was so vastly deep and rich and beautiful so wonderful so unbelievable I was in tears I was in amazement I was bewildered and I was madly in love it was more than what my body could take yet I knew it was only a small drop only a fraction of a fraction of a fraction it was heaven it was home.

I wanted to stay forever I never wanted to leave yet I could feel him slowly starting to let me I saw in my minds eye that my strength had failed me and I was laying down and he was gently lifting me up but I stopped him begging please just take my life so I can stayy forever but he whispered to me I need you to be strong for me and my strength returned to me.

This was the first time I truly came to know him the first time I learned the depth of his love and his heart that day he allowed me access into the deeper doors of his being that he has hidden from many foir whatever reason I do not know but doctrine interpretation of scripture sinless or being perfect being right in debates or wrong all of this to me while I do enjoy a good discussion study and at times a good debate is pointless compared to speaking of the deeper things of God the hidden intimate things thre things that create that spark in others that impact peoples hearts the things that influence and that people can just feel the love of God in

 

[pittsburghjoe]

1 John 17:2-3

What makes you think you were Given to Him if you think repeated sins are okay? If you don't think that then stop defending these lukewarm people that do.

 

[SophieT]

THE CULT OF SINLESS PERFECTION OR
ENTIRE SANCTIFICATION

The interpretation of scripture that a person is sinless, is actually a cult. The Bible does not ever refer to any human becoming sinless in this world.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

These people expose their rebellion against God by several hallmark attitudes

Arrogance
Insulting
Cherry picking scripture and misinterpreting the same
Anger
Judgement

and several other unmistakable attributes that deny the truth of their actual condition

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[Blain]

You are just a bad as a near death experiencer. They never realize there is Judgment Day ...hello???

Judge not lest ye be judged you don't know me nor do you know what I have been through seen or experienced judging is a sin and you are in no position to be looking down on anyone or talking down to anyone especially since by your logic if you have only not been sinning for a year that would mean you have been saved for only a year making you a babe in Christ certainly not one in any position to speaking by any kind of authority

 

[Magenta]

John 8:36

 

[pittsburghjoe]

THE CULT OF SINLESS PERFECTION OR
ENTIRE SANCTIFICATION

The interpretation of scripture that a person is sinless, is actually a cult. The Bible does not ever refer to any human becoming sinless in this world.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

These people expose their rebellion against God by several hallmark attitudes

Arrogance
Insulting
Cherry picking scripture and misinterpreting the same
Anger
Judgement

and several other unmistakable attributes that deny the truth of their actual condition

​

That Scripture is saying you are not good enough on your own without His Blood. So, no, it doesn't mean what you think. You don't have the Interpretation from The HOLY SPIRIT.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Judge not lest ye be judged you don't know me nor do you know what I have been through seen or experienced judging is a sin and you are in no position to be looking down on anyone or talking down to anyone especially since by your logic if you have only not been sinning for a year that would mean you have been saved for only a year making you a babe in Christ certainly not one in any position to speaking by any kind of authority

 

[Magenta]

What makes you think you were Given to Him if you think repeated sins are okay?
If you don't think that then stop defending these lukewarm people that do.

More of your insinuated unsupported erroneous assumptions and false accusations.

Do you have anything other than this type of discourse?

Something more substantial? Something true?

 

[Blain]

Read through this and tell if you think you are still a Child of GOD.

1 John 3:4-10 ESV

4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.

6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.

8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

I don't practice sinning. to practice something is to intentionally do something over and over and over again with the intent to get better at it someone who practices something does so in a hobit to not stop, yes I sin but to practice sin is a lifestyle just because I make mistakes at times does not make it a practice. Funny though how when others use scripture to prove their points you accuse them of cherry picking or making an excuse for people to sin but hey it's ok if you do it though right?

 

[RichMan]

More of your insinuated unsupported erroneous assumptions and false accusations.

Do you have anything other than this type of discourse?

Something more substantial? Something true?

He strikes me as a very angry and lonely person with no family or friends so he just strikes out at everyone and anyone.